[PLUG] gdisk with ssd

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
The gdisk man page suggests using the '-a' option to align partitions on a solid state disk: "Align Change the sector alignment value. Disks with more logical sectors than physical sectors (such as modern Advanced Format drives), some RAID configurations, and many SSD

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Dick Steffens wrote: Fun with advancing technology. Progress always involves change while not all change involves progress. This is particularly true when the reason for change is only more profit. Like planned obsolescence. Rich

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Ben Koenig
For me, I'm going to have all my important data etched onto a metal plate in raw hexadecimal. That way once our AI creations destroy society, they can use the image recognition algorithms we gave them to recover my life's story. On a more realistic note, smaller RAID devices are popular with the

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Dick Steffens
On 08/27/2018 03:41 PM, Jason Barnett wrote: Even if the USB standard still exists in some form, it will be the drivers that will likely be the biggest problem. I actually had a similar issue last winter. Our vintage 1987 church organ fine wore out. Parts were no longer easily available. We

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Jason Barnett
Even if the USB standard still exists in some form, it will be the drivers that will likely be the biggest problem. On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:48 PM wes wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Louis Kowolowski < > lou...@cryptomonkeys.org> > wrote: > > > The longevity of the disk is unlikely

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Jason Barnett
The current "best" is using DVDs or Blu-ray disks with M-DISK technology. It claims to have 1000 year storage. Of course, you should also buy 5 or 6 of the M-DISK compatible drives to ensure that at least one of them still works and exists in 30 or 50 years when you might want to read such an

Re: [PLUG] Moving into new territory

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Rich Shepard wrote: UEFI has all the same BIOS options as in the past, but these new eZbIoS screens are so complicated I tend to avoid them like the plague.. so yes, you can set it to boot USB first. Good to know. Ben, What I've learned so far: 1.) I found

Re: [PLUG] What writable DVDs to buy?

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, John Meissen wrote: Taiyo Yuden used to be the gold standard for writable media. I looked into this pretty extensively a number of years ago when I found out that much of the consumer quality stuff you get at Office Depot, etc. will often fade after as little as 5 years.

Re: [PLUG] What writable DVDs to buy?

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, King Beowulf wrote: I've used a number of DVD-R/W brands over the years. I usually pick them up on sale at Fry's (Wilsonville) when I am in that area. My picks: 1. Ridata 2. TDK 3. Sony 4. Verbatim 5. Philips Thanks, Ed. I also picked up a M-disc drive to try out

Re: [PLUG] What writable DVDs to buy?

2018-08-27 Thread John Meissen
kingbeow...@gmail.com said: > I've used a number of DVD-R/W brands over the years. I usually pick them up > on sale at Fry's (Wilsonville) when I am in that area. > My picks: > 1. Ridata 2. TDK 3. Sony 4. Verbatim 5. Philips Taiyo Yuden used to be the gold standard for writable media. I

Re: [PLUG] What writable DVDs to buy?

2018-08-27 Thread King Beowulf
On 08/27/2018 08:31 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: >   I still have a bunch of unused writable CDROMs and no writable DVDs. I > want to buy a small spool for a) Slackware distribution upgrades as they > are > released and b) storing large data files not needed on a regular basis. > Knowing nothing about

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Dick Steffens
On 08/27/2018 01:56 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Dick Steffens wrote: So, be sure to run a refresh every so often. :-)   That's what coffee and a shower do. Yeah, that's for short term. I'm thinking more like a weekend at the coast. -- Regards, Dick Steffens

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Dick Steffens wrote: Come to think of it, maybe making a set of decent prints (photo service) on archival paper would be a good idea for historical purposes. Paper is still the longest lasting medium. If you can get monochrome prints they'll last even longer than will

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Dick Steffens wrote: So, be sure to run a refresh every so often. :-) That's what coffee and a shower do. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Dick Steffens
On 08/27/2018 01:47 PM, wes wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Louis Kowolowski wrote: The longevity of the disk is unlikely to be the problem, but the format of the media, and or interconnect will likely be difficult to deal with 10+yrs out. There will always be a USB -> whatever

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Dick Steffens
On 08/27/2018 01:43 PM, Galen Seitz wrote: On 08/27/2018 01:15 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: What are the current preferences for long term, off line storage of photo files? (At this point I don't know how many, or how large the files are.) Are thumb drives good for that? Here's a discussion of

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Dick Steffens
On 08/27/2018 01:43 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:15:40 -0700 Dick Steffens dijo: Are thumb drives good for that? I don't know how many bytes of space you need, but I just bought a couple of 256GB PNY USB-3 Generation 1 thumb drives from Best Buy via eBay for $50 each.

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread wes
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Louis Kowolowski wrote: > The longevity of the disk is unlikely to be the problem, but the format of > the media, and or interconnect will likely be difficult to deal with 10+yrs > out. > > There will always be a USB -> whatever adapter. Even if USB backwards

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:15:40 -0700 Dick Steffens dijo: >Are thumb drives good for that? I don't know how many bytes of space you need, but I just bought a couple of 256GB PNY USB-3 Generation 1 thumb drives from Best Buy via eBay for $50 each. >I recall reading several years ago that CD/DVD

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Galen Seitz
On 08/27/2018 01:15 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: What are the current preferences for long term, off line storage of photo files? (At this point I don't know how many, or how large the files are.) Are thumb drives good for that? Here's a discussion of data retention in NAND flash devices, which

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Dick Steffens
On 08/27/2018 01:24 PM, Louis Kowolowski wrote: Probably need to know the timeframe. As I recall, optical media does degrade, but its measured in 10's or 100's of years. Likely long after the format has been abandoned, making the longevity not the real problem. Flash degrades when its not

Re: [PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Louis Kowolowski
Probably need to know the timeframe. As I recall, optical media does degrade, but its measured in 10's or 100's of years. Likely long after the format has been abandoned, making the longevity not the real problem. Flash degrades when its not regularly powered after a few years (<10). Disk

[PLUG] Reliable long term, off-line storage

2018-08-27 Thread Dick Steffens
What are the current preferences for long term, off line storage of photo files? (At this point I don't know how many, or how large the files are.) Are thumb drives good for that? I recall reading several years ago that CD/DVD disks degrade over time. Is that still true? What other

Re: [PLUG] Moving into new territory

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Ben Koenig wrote: Here are a few things to keep in mind for Slackware 14.2 on UEFI First EFI will replace your bootloader. So the standard LILO boot menu you've gotten used to will go away Ben, I read that the elilo boot menu would work in an equivalent way.

Re: [PLUG] Moving into new territory

2018-08-27 Thread Russell Senior
There is a new version of Slackware. It is called Ubuntu. Check it out! ;-) On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 8:21 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > I'm ready to set up the new desktop server/workstation with the Asus > FX990 > motherboard and am about to enter into new territory. Avoiding pitfalls and >

[PLUG] What writable DVDs to buy?

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
I still have a bunch of unused writable CDROMs and no writable DVDs. I want to buy a small spool for a) Slackware distribution upgrades as they are released and b) storing large data files not needed on a regular basis. Knowing nothing about what is available I would like advice on what to buy

[PLUG] Moving into new territory

2018-08-27 Thread Rich Shepard
I'm ready to set up the new desktop server/workstation with the Asus FX990 motherboard and am about to enter into new territory. Avoiding pitfalls and gotcha's is highly desired. Research has shown me that I will use the GPT partition type and that UEFI is installed on this motherboard