Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:53 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:22:52 -0700 > Michael Barnes dijo: > > >Actually, I just hosted a conference tonight, finished a few minutes > >ago. We had five attendees. > > What are the maximum number of attendees that the presenter can see on > their screen? Are the images on the presenter's screen live, as the > presentation continues? > __ > For these types of meetings, we ask people do not activate their cameras. When they do, there is a limit of five camera users. The presenter will see them all live. It does eat up a lot of bandwidth. Not practical for a large meeting. Better for just a few people. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:22:52 -0700 Michael Barnes dijo: >Actually, I just hosted a conference tonight, finished a few minutes >ago. We had five attendees. What are the maximum number of attendees that the presenter can see on their screen? Are the images on the presenter's screen live, as the presentation continues? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Buzzing speakers - SOLVED!
A cold solder joint can rectify. On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:30 PM Michael Barnes wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:41 PM David wrote: > > > On 3/25/20 8:43 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > > -- clip -- > > > > > > > > > Source of problem discovered. Still working on why. My APRS base > station > > > beacons every 30 minutes. For some reason, I recently started getting > > some > > > RFI into things, this speaker being one of them. Just happened to be > > > looking at the APRS screen when it transmitted and heard the buzz at > the > > > same time. Now to figure out and solve why the RFI is only recently > > > getting into things. > > > > > > I have limited little knowledge about APRS and my HT is analog so, along > > with being green, I don't have much to offer here. > > > > The questions that spring to mind are: > > > > * has an antenna been added, removed, or relocated recently? > > * has the power source for the speaker or base station changed? > > * proper grounding on the base station? > > * what happens if you hit TX on your base station for voice? > > > > A ferrite choke may be all that is needed, but I'm not sure where it > > would need to be positioned. > > > > dafr > > _ > > > > It seems the problem is pretty much limited to that particular set of > speakers. I moved them around to other applications with similar results. > Had the problem existed when I was on another radio, I would have > immediately correlated it to RFI. Since it was picking up the APRS radio, > which just sits there doing its thing pretty much unnoticed, it never > crossed my mind. Changed speakers, problem gone. I'll have to dig into > these and try to find why they have such a problem and nothing else does. > Thanks for everyone's comments. > > Michael WA7SKG > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Buzzing speakers - SOLVED!
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:41 PM David wrote: > On 3/25/20 8:43 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > -- clip -- > > > > > > Source of problem discovered. Still working on why. My APRS base station > > beacons every 30 minutes. For some reason, I recently started getting > some > > RFI into things, this speaker being one of them. Just happened to be > > looking at the APRS screen when it transmitted and heard the buzz at the > > same time. Now to figure out and solve why the RFI is only recently > > getting into things. > > > I have limited little knowledge about APRS and my HT is analog so, along > with being green, I don't have much to offer here. > > The questions that spring to mind are: > > * has an antenna been added, removed, or relocated recently? > * has the power source for the speaker or base station changed? > * proper grounding on the base station? > * what happens if you hit TX on your base station for voice? > > A ferrite choke may be all that is needed, but I'm not sure where it > would need to be positioned. > > dafr > _ > It seems the problem is pretty much limited to that particular set of speakers. I moved them around to other applications with similar results. Had the problem existed when I was on another radio, I would have immediately correlated it to RFI. Since it was picking up the APRS radio, which just sits there doing its thing pretty much unnoticed, it never crossed my mind. Changed speakers, problem gone. I'll have to dig into these and try to find why they have such a problem and nothing else does. Thanks for everyone's comments. Michael WA7SKG ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:09 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: > > > I have participated in a bunch of webinars and the video was always one > > way. Participants had two way audio and could comment and ask questions, > > nobody could see them. Other than seeing who is sleeping or left the > room, > > I see little value in two way video for presentations. Granted, your > > situation may be different. Maybe you are doing soap carvings and want to > > see everybody's work. In that case, you may want to go with a paid > > subscription that allows up to 100 video participants. > > Michael, > > Participating might be different from hosting a webinar. I downloaded FCC's > desktop app (not yet installed), and read the instructions for voice and > video conferencing. > > Voice conferences are all done with a phone (landline or mobile); > easy-peasy. > > Webinars and video coferences (webinars with host providing video and > participants seeing it, both sides having audio connection, or video > conferences with all participants seeing each other) looks like a problem. > From the web site's instructions: > > "To host an online meeting with Web Viewer: > > Using Chromebook (only Chromebook supports full host functionality at > this time), log in to your online account and navigate to your Meeting > Wall." > > Feh! I didn't look to see what subset of full host functionality the rest > of > the user world has. > > Have you hosted a video conference or presented a webinar with FCC? > > Regards, > > Rich > Actually, I just hosted a conference tonight, finished a few minutes ago. We had five attendees. We started with me sharing my desktop and showed a couple of applications. Then I showed a DVD followed by a short video file I had on my computer. All participants were able to see and hear everything. All participants were able to comment and were heard by everyone. I did request everybody mute their microphones during the video just to minimize unrelated noise. After the video, there was open discussion, which seemed to go well. Towards the end, I allowed those who had cameras to turn them on and we could all see each other. Whoever was talking took focus and was on the main screen while the others were visible on the side. During the meeting one of the other attendees wanted to discuss something and I switched presenters to him and he was able to show his desktop and bring up a website that all could see as he discussed the topic. As host, I did need to download and use the the app, but the attendees only needed to use their web browsers. I am running Linux Mint and had no problems. I'm not sure what functionality I was missing, as I was using the app, not my browser. I do use the Firefox browser on my wife's computer, also Linux Mint, and did not see anything she was missing. Now that I finally got things working the way I wanted, I'll be happy to host any demos anybody might be interested in. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Buzzing speakers - SOLVED!
On 3/25/20 8:43 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: -- clip -- Source of problem discovered. Still working on why. My APRS base station beacons every 30 minutes. For some reason, I recently started getting some RFI into things, this speaker being one of them. Just happened to be looking at the APRS screen when it transmitted and heard the buzz at the same time. Now to figure out and solve why the RFI is only recently getting into things. I have limited little knowledge about APRS and my HT is analog so, along with being green, I don't have much to offer here. The questions that spring to mind are: * has an antenna been added, removed, or relocated recently? * has the power source for the speaker or base station changed? * proper grounding on the base station? * what happens if you hit TX on your base station for voice? A ferrite choke may be all that is needed, but I'm not sure where it would need to be positioned. dafr ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] git: remove all deleted files from status report [RESOLVED]
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com wrote: Same as with git add, you will need to git commit after git rm Until you commit your changes all files will show up. Tomas, Mea culpa! I thought that I had run 'git commit' after 'git add -u .', but I hadn't. Now that I've created the menu for the application I added all changes and removed the deleted files, then committed all changes. The many deleted files no longer appear in the status report. Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: I have participated in a bunch of webinars and the video was always one way. Participants had two way audio and could comment and ask questions, nobody could see them. Other than seeing who is sleeping or left the room, I see little value in two way video for presentations. Granted, your situation may be different. Maybe you are doing soap carvings and want to see everybody's work. In that case, you may want to go with a paid subscription that allows up to 100 video participants. Michael, Participating might be different from hosting a webinar. I downloaded FCC's desktop app (not yet installed), and read the instructions for voice and video conferencing. Voice conferences are all done with a phone (landline or mobile); easy-peasy. Webinars and video coferences (webinars with host providing video and participants seeing it, both sides having audio connection, or video conferences with all participants seeing each other) looks like a problem. From the web site's instructions: "To host an online meeting with Web Viewer: Using Chromebook (only Chromebook supports full host functionality at this time), log in to your online account and navigate to your Meeting Wall." Feh! I didn't look to see what subset of full host functionality the rest of the user world has. Have you hosted a video conference or presented a webinar with FCC? Regards, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 05:39 Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: > > > I just did two video conference calls today. Works fine. At the bottom > > left of the screen should be three icons, microphone, telephone handset, > > and video camera. The mic symbol mutes your mic, the handset turns audio > > on and off, and the camera turns your video camera on and off. > > Michael, > > Thanks for clarifying. > > > I think there is a limitation of 5 video users at once, > > Huh! I'll check this because one potential use for me is offering on-line > presentations (webinars?) to whomever signed up to watch, listen, and > participate. > > > If anyone is interested in testing FreeConferenceCall, they can contact > me > > and I'll set up a session you can log into and check it out. > > When the camera eventually arrives and I learn how to get it working I'll > accept your offer. > > Regards, > > Rich > > > > > > I have participated in a bunch of webinars and the video was always one > way. Participants had two way audio and could comment and ask questions, > nobody could see them. Other than seeing who is sleeping or left the room, > I see little value in two way video for presentations. Granted, your > situation may be different. Maybe you are doing soap carvings and want to > see everybody's work. In that case, you may want to go with a paid > subscription that allows up to 100 video participants. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Remote video conferencing [RESOLVED]
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, Denis Heidtmann wrote: I was just part of a Zoom call where one of the participants used just his phone and he seemed to be able to see all of us. Denis, Thanks for the information. I'll call in to Friday's conference. Regards, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: I just did two video conference calls today. Works fine. At the bottom left of the screen should be three icons, microphone, telephone handset, and video camera. The mic symbol mutes your mic, the handset turns audio on and off, and the camera turns your video camera on and off. Michael, Thanks for clarifying. I think there is a limitation of 5 video users at once, Huh! I'll check this because one potential use for me is offering on-line presentations (webinars?) to whomever signed up to watch, listen, and participate. If anyone is interested in testing FreeConferenceCall, they can contact me and I'll set up a session you can log into and check it out. When the camera eventually arrives and I learn how to get it working I'll accept your offer. Regards, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 9:45 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:30:43 -0700 > Michael Barnes dijo: > > >I just did two video conference calls today. Works fine. At the bottom > >left of the screen should be three icons, microphone, telephone > >handset, and video camera. The mic symbol mutes your mic, the handset > >turns audio on and off, and the camera turns your video camera on and > >off. I think there is a limitation of 5 video users at once, I haven't > >used it with more than three. Normally, we use it with everybody on > >audio only and the presenter shares his desktop. The one glitch I have > >found right now is in trying to show a video. The picture comes > >through, but the attendees cannot hear the audio. > > If you are a presenter at a PLUG virtual talk with FCC, will you see > the faces of all who are connected and have their cameras turned on, or > just five of them? > > >If anyone is interested in testing FreeConferenceCall, they can > >contact me and I'll set up a session you can log into and check it out. > > Perhaps setting up a date/time for this would be useful. > There are basically two types of video conference. Video interactive and presentation. With video interactive, each participant has a camera turned on and all attendees can see each other. With FCC's free account, an interactive video conference may have up to five participants and may last up to 12 hours. With a paid subscription, you may have up to 100 participants for an unlimited time. Of course the more you have the more unwieldy it gets and the more bandwidth is needed. With a presentation, the host shares his desktop applications or video camera. It is a one to many type of thing. All participants have two way audio, but the video is only one way. The host does have the option of designating another attendee as presenter who can share his desktop to everyone. A video interactive session is good for individualized training, a committee meeting, or other small group where seeing each other is beneficial. The presentation is good for large lecture classes amd club or organization meetings. FCC has a recording function to record and archive the meeting. It also has document sharing and a chat ability. You can chat individually between attendees or with the group. I suppose I could set up a demo conference. What would be a good day and time? I could probably set up several of them. For some reason, I seem to have a lot of free time at home these days. I can do either a small group video conference or a presentation demo. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
