Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-17 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 16, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > I am not sure he's able to ping an ip address off-site, but the > reports have been too fragmentary to really tell. > My reports were not making much sense partially because the entire issue has been so cloudy. I now have the issue res

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-16 Thread Russell Senior
I am not sure he's able to ping an ip address off-site, but the reports have been too fragmentary to really tell. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > Unless I missed something, it seems pretty simple - Bob has demonstrated > that he is able to ping IPs from LAN behind his route

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-16 Thread Tomas Kuchta
Unless I missed something, it seems pretty simple - Bob has demonstrated that he is able to ping IPs from LAN behind his router. What he cannot do is to ping URLs such as www.google.com. So, he needs to fix DNS forwarding at the router, so that the router can properly hand DNS configuration to the

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Ishak Micheil wrote: > > I think we're trying to solve the easy path of egress traffic, which is > good. > Yes, indeed validate by simple nslookup www.google.com > Or > 8.8.8.8 > > > Do I understand correctly that no ingress traffic too? How did u validate > that

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Ishak Micheil
I think we're trying to solve the easy path of egress traffic, which is good. Yes, indeed validate by simple nslookup www.google.com Or 8.8.8.8 Do I understand correctly that no ingress traffic too? How did u validate that? If the answer is yes, then it's frontier that should be able to help you.

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Bob Vinisky
> When you say you "could ping" to somewhere, it is also important to > say where you are pinging from. That is, from the router? from a > device on your LAN? from a device on the DSL modem's LAN? > the question was — "with your router connected to DSL modem and a PC to LAN:” I took that to

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Russell Senior
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > From earlier tests: Yes I could ping both the LAN and WAN ip’s of the router > (192.168.107.2 and 192,168,1,2), the ip of the DSL modem, 192.168.1.1. Could > not get google, from either the ip or www.google.com. When you say you "could ping"

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Tomas Kuchta
You have/had DNS resolution problem. Couple of ways to solve that on the router: A) let router pick DNS by DHCP from WAN side B) configure the router to use ISPs DNS servers by typing in their IPs. You could get them by: cat /etc/resolved.conf while being connected to the DSL modem directly. C) us

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Russell Senior wrote: >> >> To be accurate, I’m in a no-pc zone. We have Macs and Linux here only. I’ve >> actually only spent an hour or two on the m$ side of the world. No DOS, no >> windows. I was testing on a Mac because it was closest to the DSL modem >> .

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Russell Senior
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 15, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Russell Senior >> wrote: >> >> Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does >> not, because that makes zero sense from your description. >> >> Russell > > To be accurate, I’m in a no-p

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Tomas Kuchta > wrote: > > Thanks Bob, > > This should absolutely work - Unless you have some mis-configured routing > or DNS. Despite what you hear about the use of ISP gear only. > > Let's diagnose this a little - with your router connected to DSL modem and > a

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does > not, because that makes zero sense from your description. > > Russell To be accurate, I’m in a no-pc zone. We have Macs and Linux here only. I’ve actually only spe

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Tomas Kuchta
Thanks Bob, This should absolutely work - Unless you have some mis-configured routing or DNS. Despite what you hear about the use of ISP gear only. Let's diagnose this a little - with your router connected to DSL modem and a PC to LAN: * Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ? * Can you ping 192.168.107.1 ? * Can

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Russell Senior
Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does not, because that makes zero sense from your description. Russell On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 15, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta >> wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> Russell was asking a few questi

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta > wrote: > > Bob, > > Russell was asking a few questions and after this long, there is still no > clear and definite answer. > > Could you please try to contain your frustrations and answer that, and only > that? There is no help possible without kn

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Russell Senior
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean? dal is his phone autocorrecting DSL, I think. Also "sip" == ISP. Russell ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.or

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Tomas Kuchta
Bob, Russell was asking a few questions and after this long, there is still no clear and definite answer. Could you please try to contain your frustrations and answer that, and only that? There is no help possible without knowing the facts. 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mea

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-15 Thread Bill Weiss
Bob Vinisky(b...@cherrycreekdaffodils.com)@Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 06:32:02PM -0800: > > > Can you ping the internet from the router? It is plugged in directly. > > > > Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables? > > > Yes and no From the router, or any other machine on the LAN I c

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Russell Senior
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> Can you ping the internet from the router? It is plugged in directly. >> >> Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables? > > > Yes and no From the router, or any other machine on the LAN I can get > to the dal modem. Can succe

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Bob Vinisky
> Can you ping the internet from the router? It is plugged in directly. > > Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables? Yes and no From the router, or any other machine on the LAN I can get to the dal modem. Can successfully ping the dos servers and gateway. One of the Frontier

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Russell Senior
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Russell Senior >> wrote: >> >> That makes no sense. They can't see past your router. Your router >> pretends to be all the devices on your LAN. Does your computer on the LAN >> have a 192.168.107.x address?

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > That makes no sense. They can't see past your router. Your router > pretends to be all the devices on your LAN. Does your computer on the LAN > have a 192.168.107.x address? > > The other thing is that Frontier (afaik) uses PPPoE for a

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Russell Senior
On Dec 14, 2017 17:41, "Bob Vinisky" wrote: > > >> > > > > Okay, that's the WAN side of your router, what is the LAN network on > > your router. If it is 192.168.1.x also, then BOOM. > > Nope - the LAN side uses 192.168.107.xxx8 (I know, but they say you can > pick any number in the 192.168 area

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:31 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > The model here is that Frontier did something on their modem (updated > firmware or whatever) that suddenly conflicts with your network. I am > guessing, and asking questions to confirm or rule out that theory. > I would be delighted if

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Bob Vinisky
>> > > Okay, that's the WAN side of your router, what is the LAN network on > your router. If it is 192.168.1.x also, then BOOM. Nope - the LAN side uses 192.168.107.xxx8 (I know, but they say you can pick any number in the 192.168 area, so I did) - - (so there). It appears Frontier now want

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Russell Senior
The model here is that Frontier did something on their modem (updated firmware or whatever) that suddenly conflicts with your network. I am guessing, and asking questions to confirm or rule out that theory. On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:24 PM,

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Russell Senior
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Russell Senior >> wrote: >>> >>> Couldn’t agree more. To be more precise, when we first were granted dal, >>> about 5 or so years ago, I had the connection running through Aracnet. My >>> dal modem ( a Zoom )

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Russell Senior wrote: >> >> Couldn’t agree more. To be more precise, when we first were granted dal, >> about 5 or so years ago, I had the connection running through Aracnet. My >> dal modem ( a Zoom ) just bridges the stuff to my lan router, which does all >> t

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Russell Senior
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Bob Vinisky wrote: > >> On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Russell Senior >> wrote: >> >> That sounds extremely unlikely. It is possible that your router and >> their modem have the same (conflicting) network. Your router should >> NAT. Their device shouldn't be abl

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, Bob Vinisky wrote: Two days ago ip traffic ceased in our (residential) Frontier dal line. The modem is up and running correctly, but no traffic in or out. Bob, Before SpiritOne lost their mail and web servers I connected to them through my Netgear VFS318 router connecte

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Bob Vinisky
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > That sounds extremely unlikely. It is possible that your router and > their modem have the same (conflicting) network. Your router should > NAT. Their device shouldn't be able to tell that all the traffic > isn't coming from that router

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, Bob Vinisky wrote: A second request is for a recommendation for a decent sip, if one still exists. I, too, am a refugee from Aracnet, and want to get away from this mess soon Bob, If you're running a business Frontier has their 15/5 Mbps voice/fiber Internet package fo

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Russell Senior
From your LAN, log in to the router (I assume it has an admin interface). What are the WAN and LAN networks? On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > That sounds extremely unlikely. It is possible that your router and > their modem have the same (conflicting) network. Your rout

Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Russell Senior
That sounds extremely unlikely. It is possible that your router and their modem have the same (conflicting) network. Your router should NAT. Their device shouldn't be able to tell that all the traffic isn't coming from that router. They shouldn't be able to see any of the hosts on your LAN. On

[PLUG] dsl woes

2017-12-14 Thread Bob Vinisky
Greetings, Two days ago ip traffic ceased in our (residential) Frontier dal line. The modem is up and running correctly, but no traffic in or out. After two entire days of conversing with various “techs” it became apparent my issue was in using a router to feed the lan machines to the modem. Ho