I/O errors

2006-11-08 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
I received the following errors in my LogWatch report this morning: - Kernel Begin WARNING: Kernel Errors Present Buffer I/O error on device fd0p10...: 17 Time(s) Buffer I/O error on device fd0p11...: 17 Time(s) Buffer I/O error on

Re: I/O errors

2006-11-08 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 06:40:58AM -0700, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: I received the following errors in my LogWatch report this morning: - Kernel Begin WARNING: Kernel Errors Present Buffer I/O error on device fd0p10...: 17 Time(s)

Re: I/O errors

2006-11-08 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
That's your floppy drive. Something tried to read a defective or non-existent floppy diskette. Judging by the sector numbers, I'd say non-existent. What were you doing at 13:39:36 yesterday? Weird. I was cleaning up mailboxes inside of user accounts. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME

Re: I/O errors

2006-11-08 Thread Michael Halcrow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 06:40:58AM -0700, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: Nov 7 13:39:36 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 Nov 7 13:39:36 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 8 Nov 7 13:39:36 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector

Re: GPL Java

2006-11-08 Thread Barry Roberts
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:23:19PM -0700, Levi Pearson wrote: I don't really think this is going to change anything for the foreseeable future. Java will still very much be run by Sun. No doubt, but if ALL the linux distros start shipping gcj with, say, JPP, or groovy, and major FOSS

Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Daniel C.
Hey all, At work here we're looking at whether to adopt Postgres or stay with MS SQL. We've already got MS SQL working and all that, so switching would mean throwing out our licenses with MS and porting the DBs (more than one) over. On the other hand, we're looking at growing soon, and I'm

Re: Lisp

2006-11-08 Thread Daniel C.
On 11/7/06, Sasha Pachev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I confess - I am not smart enough to get it. I think a functional language is somewhat similar to a GUI interface - something that goes against the sequential nature of the current CPU architecture that were are still stuck with. Yes, we pipeline

moving a mailserver

2006-11-08 Thread Ryan Byrd
My company is moving offices this weekend. We have one email server at the old office. I'd like to move it this Friday night. It would be cool if we didn't lose any email. Our DNS holds an MX record for our domain with a TTL of 1800 seconds (30 mins) and an MX level of 10 Choice 1: 1-change the

Re: moving a mailserver

2006-11-08 Thread Jeff Schroeder
Ryan asked: Is anyone likely to ignore the 1800 TTL and continue sending email to the old ip address for longer than 30 mins? during the downtime, will sending email attempts fail or simply keep trying? Unless your TTL is below 600 (ten minutes), most ISP's will honor it. I think you'll be

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Alan Young
Daniel C. wrote: I'm worried that MS won't scale very well. (Plus I like Postgres better. But our DBA likes MS SQL better.) In my experience, whatever the dba wants to use, you'll end up using it. On the other hand, if the dba is good enough it won't really make a difference. Just demand

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:58:35 -0700, Daniel C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At work here we're looking at whether to adopt Postgres or stay with MS SQL. We've already got MS SQL working and all that, so switching would mean throwing out our licenses with MS and porting the DBs (more than one) over.

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 09:58 -0700, Daniel C. wrote: At work here we're looking at whether to adopt Postgres or stay with MS SQL. We've already got MS SQL working and all that, so switching would mean throwing out our licenses with MS and porting the DBs (more than one) over. On the other

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Michael L Torrie
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 09:58 -0700, Daniel C. wrote: Hey all, At work here we're looking at whether to adopt Postgres or stay with MS SQL. We've already got MS SQL working and all that, so switching would mean throwing out our licenses with MS and porting the DBs (more than one) over. On

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Dr. Scott S. Jones
Michael: At work here we're looking at whether to adopt Postgres or stay with MS SQL. We've already got MS SQL working and all that, so switching would mean throwing out our licenses with MS and porting the DBs (more than one) over. On the other hand, we're looking at growing soon,

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 10:49 -0700, Michael L Torrie wrote: I have a friend (famous last words I know) who does large-scale database programming for a living and tells me MS SQL is based on the old Sybase engine, which has serious locking issues. He claims to have code that can, with just a

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Daniel C.
On 11/8/06, Michael L Torrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly your company's decision will not be made on technical grounds. We can always pretend. But if you want to base it soley on technical grounds, there is no contest, according to what I've been told. Postgres is better hands down. I

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Levi Pearson
On Nov 8, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Michael L Torrie wrote: If I recall correctly, PostgreSQL and Oracle do not use locks at all to enforce integrity. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can explain to me why this might be. This sounded very much like some lock-free concurrency models I'm interested

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Daniel C.
On 11/8/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a database newbie, I am curious which to use. I want to set up a customer database for my wife's company. The db will store customer demographic information, to be used for contacting them, but also to tie into order fulfillment and

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Michael L Torrie
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 10:59 -0700, Daniel C. wrote: Is it possible to get more information from your friend about this? I think the information posted in response to my post probably will tell you the technical details. Here is what he had to say to me: (10:16:25) Mark Lewis: PostgreSQL is

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Daniel C.
On 11/8/06, Michael L Torrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 10:59 -0700, Daniel C. wrote: Is it possible to get more information from your friend about this? I think the information posted in response to my post probably will tell you the technical details. Here is what he had

Re: OOPs I need a book

2006-11-08 Thread Jason Hall
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 17:08, Hill, Greg wrote: Btw, Perl is an acronym (Practical Extraction and Reporting Language), so you should put PERL, not Perl :) Actually, once again, this is application of acronym's after the name. It was not an acronym at first, and the correct way is Perl.

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 10:36:22AM -0700, Daniel C. wrote: As for the cost of switching languages - I learned PHP in about a week. I can't imagine it would take significantly longer to learn Python, and the productivity gains from Django would be pretty significant. Are there good PHP

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 10:59:49AM -0700, Daniel C. wrote: PHP can, Django doesn't have it (except foreign key constraints) natively. But since we'll be running reports and things from outside of Django, those things do come into play. I have almost no experience with the advanced database

Re: GPL Java

2006-11-08 Thread Jason Holt
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Michael Torrie wrote: On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 23:48 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 06:14 +, Jason Holt wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Michael Torrie wrote: Of course the Java class libraries are of necessity not under the GPL. (Neither are the GNU Class

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:43:28 -0700, Andrew McNabb [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 10:59:49AM -0700, Daniel C. wrote: PHP can, Django doesn't have it (except foreign key constraints) natively. But since we'll be running reports and things from outside of Django, those

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:36:22 -0700, Daniel C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 11/8/06, Jonathan Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That could mean anything from Our DBA has looked into things and knows X and Y would be hellish to port to he's just scared of something new. He's been trained

Re: GPL Java

2006-11-08 Thread Steve
My last few linux distros have shipped with the option to install sun java w/o any more headache and overhead than for instance BlackDown. I was mildly impressesed. In fact it's because of these recent changes I've decided to one and for all put Java on my list of proficiencies, by going full

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:49:28 -0700, Michael L Torrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But if you want to base it soley on technical grounds, there is no contest, according to what I've been told. Postgres is better hands down. I have a friend (famous last words I know) who does large-scale database

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:07:50 -0700, Daniel C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'd recommend using MySQL for your first database. I wouldn't. MySQL is still full of non-standard weirdisms, and a lot of the examples you find on the web are by people who really have no business touching a database.

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Daniel C.
On 11/8/06, Jonathan Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't. MySQL is still full of non-standard weirdisms, and a lot of the examples you find on the web are by people who really have no business touching a database. PostgreSQL _used_ to be more complicated to set up and install... back in

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Roberto Mello
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 12:48:21PM -0700, Daniel C. wrote: I just meant that MySQL has less stuff to learn than Postgres. Like what? I agree with Jonathan. PostgreSQL is easier to setup and maintain, just as easy to use, and very well supported, although not as many off-the-street hosting

Re: GPL Java

2006-11-08 Thread Bryan Sant
On 11/7/06, Michael Torrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because if the class libraries were GPL then you could only produce GPL programs in Java, as all Java programs have to link against the class libraries at runtime. The GNU Classpath libraries are produced under the GPL with a special

Bad Hard Drive - Parts needed

2006-11-08 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
This is a follow-up to an earlier thread on a crashed hard drive. I now have the model and part numbers. It's a IBM Deskstar DTLA-307045. More info and a picture can be found here: http://gundy.org/2006/11/08/bad-hard-drive-parts-needed/ If anyone has one of these (and can part with it),

Re: GPL Java

2006-11-08 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2006 November 08 Wednesday 03:33:42 PM -0700, Bryan Sant wrote: Not necessarily. The Linux kernel is GPL, but people produce non-GPL kernel modules. How is this possible? Sun will have a similar Non-GPL kernel modules violate the GPL. Non-GPL user space programs do not. Justin /*

Re: Bad Hard Drive - Parts needed

2006-11-08 Thread Matthew Walker
Eek. An IBM Deathstar. On Wed, November 8, 2006 3:48 pm, Gabriel Gunderson wrote: This is a follow-up to an earlier thread on a crashed hard drive. I now have the model and part numbers. It's a IBM Deskstar DTLA-307045. More info and a picture can be found here:

Re: GPL Java

2006-11-08 Thread Bryan Sant
On 11/7/06, Michael Torrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt it's something earth shattering. But it is an insurance policy for Sun. In order to compete with the Microsoft/Novell conspiracy (umm did I say that?), by GPLing Java, Sun can bring IBM and other community- based resources, such as

Re: GPL Java

2006-11-08 Thread Bryan Sant
On 11/8/06, Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Non-GPL kernel modules violate the GPL. Non-GPL user space programs do not. Quick, tell NVidia and ATI that they need to release their code! Linus altered the GPL so that kernel modules are not forced to be GPL. He would prefer that -- the

Re: GPL Java

2006-11-08 Thread Michael L Torrie
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 16:01 -0700, Bryan Sant wrote: On 11/8/06, Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Non-GPL kernel modules violate the GPL. Non-GPL user space programs do not. Quick, tell NVidia and ATI that they need to release their code! Linus altered the GPL so that kernel

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Steve Dibb
Jonathan Ellis wrote: On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:07:50 -0700, Daniel C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'd recommend using MySQL for your first database. I wouldn't. MySQL is still full of non-standard weirdisms, and a lot of the examples you find on the web are by people who really have no

Re: Bad Hard Drive - Parts needed

2006-11-08 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 15:49 -0700, Matthew Walker wrote: Eek. An IBM Deathstar. Wow! I guess I'm not the only one... Results 1 - 100 of about 325,000 English pages for IBM Deathstar. This looks bad. Anyway, knowing that I should be using the keyword deathstar when searching is helpful.

Re: GPL Java

2006-11-08 Thread Gary Thornock
--- Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Non-GPL kernel modules violate the GPL. Non-GPL user space programs do not. There's even some gray area regarding kernel modules. In fact, you can even produce a non-GPL patch to the kernel code without violating the GPL, as long as you don't

Re: Linux System Documentation

2006-11-08 Thread MT Morales
For linux/redhat boxes, the sysreport command can give you all the information you want. -mtm On 11/6/06, Chad Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a way to automate the documentation of a hand full of Linux/Windows servers. Ideally, I would like to find a script that can be run

Re: Postgres vs. MSSQL

2006-11-08 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:30:36 -0700, Daniel C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 11/8/06, Roberto Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like what? Just list everything Postgres has that MySQL doesn't and there's your answer. I agree with Jonathan. PostgreSQL is easier to setup and maintain, just as

Re: Bad Hard Drive - Parts needed

2006-11-08 Thread Joe Crown
When you first posted about the problems I was expecting an IBM Deathstar as well. I just got home from work I can't check my e-mail unless I'm at home. Gabriel Gunderson wrote: On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 15:49 -0700, Matthew Walker wrote: Eek. An IBM Deathstar. Wow! I guess I'm not the only

softphone for asterisk

2006-11-08 Thread Hongyi Gao
We are seting up asterisk now. all I can try is softphone under linux. Do you know if there is any free softphone that works great under windows? thanks alot! _ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from

Re: softphone for asterisk

2006-11-08 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 05:51 +, Hongyi Gao wrote: Do you know if there is any free softphone that works great under windows? Try this: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-VOIP+Phones#SoftPhones Kind Regards, Provo (Utah USA) Linux Users Group /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net