Java update broke a Java app?

2011-11-18 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Hi Everyone, I've got a question, I'm hoping someone with experience on the Java self-update mechanism might have an answer for. My wife uses a custom Java app for her job which involves writing ad-copy. The app interfaces directly to a NoSQL db and allows her to translate the engrish (piss poor

Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech?

2011-11-18 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Hi Everyone, I just wanted to take a moment and start a thread on the current state of The Cloud. While it's not a term I'm particularly fond of, I've found the value proposition of PaaS like Amazon AWS Google App Engine to be compelling (haven't really tried any of the others). Thus far I've

Re: Java update broke a Java app?

2011-11-18 Thread Grant Shipley
I have seen that even a minor update on the JVM version can cause application failures. Is it possible for her to revert back to the previous? And yes, it could have just pointed the java --version to the updated version even though the older one is still available. You can set what JVM to use

Re: Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech?

2011-11-18 Thread Lloyd Brown
When people consider the cloud, the major objection I've heard is what you've already articulated: Data security. In essence, you (or your client) needs to decide whether the encryption systems and standards that they have in place, are enough to sufficiently protect the data. Working this way

Re: Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech?

2011-11-18 Thread Nathan Blackham
Disclosure: I work for AWS. Also pardon the top post, I haven't seen a phone that can properly trim and bottom post. The biggest thing with moving to the cloud is that to fully utilize it's potential, it requires a different mindset. Take a look at the netflix blog for tons of information on

Re: Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech?

2011-11-18 Thread Steve Meyers
On 11/18/11 9:35 AM, Nathan Blackham wrote: Sent with my thumbs That was an impressive thumb-only post. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech?

2011-11-18 Thread S. Dale Morrey
You made a comment about the outage in April.  I know that we have taken it very seriously and have identified and implemented things to prevent similar things from happening.  It was a all hands on deck situation. On the side, I manage a friends site and even though he was affected and a

Re: Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech?

2011-11-18 Thread Nathan Blackham
I have a blackberry with a real keyboard. I couldn't do it on a touch screen :) --Original Message-- From: Steve Meyers To: Nathan Blackham To: Provo Users Group Mailing List Subject: Re: Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech? Sent: Nov 18, 2011 8:59 AM On 11/18/11 9:35 AM, Nathan

Re: Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech?

2011-11-18 Thread Nathan Blackham
Agreed. I think that is the biggest problem, that companies think they can do the same things they have always done and get the benefit of the cloud. And that isn't really the case. If they don't look at the application from a cloud perspective all they gain is per hour pricing, which

Re: Java update broke a Java app?

2011-11-18 Thread Bryan Sant
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:33 AM, S. Dale Morrey sdalemor...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Everyone, I've got a question, I'm hoping someone with experience on the Java self-update mechanism might have an answer for. My wife uses a custom Java app for her job which involves writing ad-copy. The app

Re: Java update broke a Java app?

2011-11-18 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Yes, it is possible.  Is your wife using Windows?  Does she launch the app with a shortcut, or does she just double-click on a .jar file?  When you run java --version from a command-prompt, what version is reported (I'm assuming, it will say that it is Java 6 and not 7)? Actually that's a

Re: Java update broke a Java app?

2011-11-18 Thread S. Dale Morrey
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:14 PM, S. Dale Morrey sdalemor...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it is possible.  Is your wife using Windows?  Does she launch the app with a shortcut, or does she just double-click on a .jar file?  When you run java --version from a command-prompt, what version is reported

Re: Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech?

2011-11-18 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:59:53 -0700 Steve Meyers steve-p...@spwiz.com wrote: On 11/18/11 9:35 AM, Nathan Blackham wrote: Sent with my thumbs That was an impressive thumb-only post. It was just a thumbnail sketch. -- Charles Curley /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking

Re: Whats wrong with AWS other cloud tech?

2011-11-18 Thread Daniel Fussell
On 11/18/2011 08:54 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: For the record the client has 20 servers located in a single datacenter, and it was during the design of their business continuity plan that they realized they suffer from the potential for a catastrophic single point of failure. Client is a

Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Stuart Jansen
My T61p is starting to show its age, but I'm having a hard time finding a replacement. Is it simply not possible to find a great laptop anymore? I'm looking for: - Matte screen - More than 1080 vertical pixels - A keyboard that doesn't suck - Good Linux compatiblity - High quality

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Thomas S Hatch
Try a Sager: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np5165-clevo-w150hr-p-3063.html I am sure you will be able to find what you want at xoticpc - and you don't have to buy Windows on a lot of these! On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.orgwrote: My T61p is starting to show

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Eric Jacobs
On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:45, Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: My T61p is starting to show its age, but I'm having a hard time finding a replacement. Is it simply not possible to find a great laptop anymore? Why not a 15 MacBook Pro with the high res matte display? * 1690x something

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Lloyd Brown
It might be helpful if you could define what you mean by A keyboard that doesn't suck. In my experience, keyboards are significantly a matter of preference, and tolerance thresholds. For example, I love my split/tilted ergo keyboard at work, but I can tolerate my straight, undersized netbook

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Spencer Gibb
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.orgwrote: My T61p is starting to show its age, but I'm having a hard time finding a replacement. Is it simply not possible to find a great laptop anymore? I'm looking for: - Matte screen - More than 1080 vertical pixels -

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:45:12 -0700 Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: I'm looking for: - Matte screen - More than 1080 vertical pixels - A keyboard that doesn't suck Define doesn't suck WRT keyboards. - Good Linux compatiblity Do you care about proprietary bits? - High

Re: PLUG Server Moving Tomorrow

2011-11-18 Thread Kenneth Burgener
Ryan Simpkins wrote: The C7 Orem facility (old Tier4 datacenter in the Canyon Park Tech Center) is shutting down at the end of the month. You too, huh? The 2 week notice did not make our day! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe:

unbuffering shell pipelines

2011-11-18 Thread Scott Edwards
Hello, I found what I think is a pretty good explanation what happens when shell pipelines are stacked, and real time output stalls. Eg, tail -f messages real time, lots of noise. vs tail -f messages | grep -F ip.ip.ip.ip not so real time, just what I want. Why can't I have both?

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Michael Torrie
On 11/18/2011 12:45 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote: I'm willing to pay for quality, but it seems that most laptops today are either crappy toys, crippled by sucky screens, or Macs. So an issue to be aware of with Linux on today's laptops is DSDT, part of ACPI in the BIOS. More and more laptops today

Re: PLUG Server Moving Tomorrow

2011-11-18 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
On 18 Nov 2011, at 14:47, Dallin Jones wrote: It got me too. Out of curiosity, how many of us on this list got hit by this? I did. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Doran L. Fozz Barton
On 11/18/2011 12:45 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote: My T61p is starting to show its age, but I'm having a hard time finding a replacement. Is it simply not possible to find a great laptop anymore? I've been really happy with my Dell Latitude D830(N). Looking at the Latitude E6500 series, it looks like

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:43:27 -0700 Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote: I first found out about it when I was trying to figure out why my netbook won't actually get through the initial kernel boot without me continually pressing a key. Egad! What kind of machine is this, so the rest of us

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Levi Pearson
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Charles Curley charlescur...@charlescurley.com wrote: I'll stick with Lenovos. My R51 is still going strong. http://charlescurley.com/Lenovo.R51.html. My T61 (BIOS dated 07/01/2008) is doing fine. Both run Ubuntu and Debian just fine, but require proprietary

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:09:58 -0700 Levi Pearson levipear...@gmail.com wrote: I'll stick with Lenovos. My R51 is still going strong. http://charlescurley.com/Lenovo.R51.html. My T61 (BIOS dated 07/01/2008) is doing fine. Both run Ubuntu and Debian just fine, but require proprietary bits

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Daniel Fussell
On 11/18/2011 12:45 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote: My T61p is starting to show its age, but I'm having a hard time finding a replacement. Is it simply not possible to find a great laptop anymore? I'm looking for: - Matte screen - More than 1080 vertical pixels - A keyboard that doesn't

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Michael Torrie
On 11/18/2011 04:18 PM, Daniel Fussell wrote: Delete in place of backspace? What marketing genius came up with that idea? Whatever they want to call it, it is not a PC delete key. It's keycode is backspace. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe:

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Michael Torrie
On 11/18/2011 03:08 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:43:27 -0700 Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote: I first found out about it when I was trying to figure out why my netbook won't actually get through the initial kernel boot without me continually pressing a key.

Minecraft Server

2011-11-18 Thread Jared Ottley
Any one know of or have a Minecraft server that would be ok for my sons (10 - 12 yr olds) to play on? Jared /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Minecraft Server

2011-11-18 Thread Jessie Adan Morris
On Friday, November 18, 2011 16:49:19 Jared Ottley wrote: Any one know of or have a Minecraft server that would be ok for my sons (10 - 12 yr olds) to play on? Jared /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the

Re: Minecraft Server

2011-11-18 Thread Jason Hall
plug.org... well at least not when it's moving to a new datacenter. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jared Ottley jott...@gmail.com wrote: Any one know of or have a Minecraft server that would be ok for my sons (10   - 12 yr olds) to play on? Jared /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on

Re: Minecraft Server

2011-11-18 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:31, Jason Hall wrote: plug.org... well at least not when it's moving to a new datacenter. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jared Ottley jott...@gmail.com wrote: Any one know of or have a Minecraft server that would be ok for my sons (10 - 12 yr olds) to play on?

Re: unbuffering shell pipelines

2011-11-18 Thread Jon Jensen
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011, Scott Edwards wrote: http://www.pixelbeat.org/programming/stdio_buffering/ tail -f messages | stdbuf -oL grep -F ip.ip.ip.ip real time, just what I want. Nice. I didn't know stdbuf is part of GNU coreutils -- having it (nearly) everywhere makes it pretty handy to know.

Re: unbuffering shell pipelines

2011-11-18 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Scott Edwards on Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:43:12 EST: tail -f messages | grep -F ip.ip.ip.ip What about: tail -f messages | grep --line-buffered -F ip.ip.ip.ip Andy /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Levi Pearson
On Nov 18, 2011 4:37 PM, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com At one time there was a database someone had made of corrected DSDT tables for various models and vendors, but last I checked it was not functioning and Fedora won't use them anyway. Someone linked to it earlier in the thread. It is

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:59:43PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: I'll stick with Lenovos. My R51 is still going strong. http://charlescurley.com/Lenovo.R51.html. My T61 (BIOS dated 07/01/2008) is doing fine. Both run Ubuntu and Debian just fine, but require proprietary bits for the wireless

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:45:12PM -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote: My T61p is starting to show its age, but I'm having a hard time finding a replacement. Is it simply not possible to find a great laptop anymore? The T-serios of Lenovo ThinkPads are still top-notch. I have the T520, and it's one

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 03:09:58PM -0700, Levi Pearson wrote: I don't get the love for Lenovo laptops. * Superior Linux kernel support for a lot of their hardware. * Titanium roll cages in the display lid. * Consistent, regular, frequent BIOS updates for many years. * They don't look like they

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Jacob Albretsen
Forgive the top post. Blame the phone. I know Dell is a four letter word, but my Latitude has survived graduate school, travel to astronomy conferences, traveling for Guru Labs, traveling to teach physics courses at Weber, and back and forth between several other jobs. It's still ticking.

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Doran L. Fozz Barton
On 11/18/2011 07:38 PM, Aaron Toponce wrote: To each their own. I find them much more atractive than the painted on silver, space/futuristic design of today's cheap plastic toys. Sony, Toshiba and Dell are the worst offenders. Vaio or XPS anyone? Heh. I felt the same way... until an employer

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Michael Torrie
On 11/18/2011 06:30 PM, Levi Pearson wrote: On Nov 18, 2011 4:37 PM, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com At one time there was a database someone had made of corrected DSDT tables for various models and vendors, but last I checked it was not functioning and Fedora won't use them anyway.

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Jacob Albretsen
An impossible laptop will rise from the deep and strike sjansen dead. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Minecraft Server

2011-11-18 Thread Ryan Simpkins
On Fri, November 18, 2011 17:36, Jonathan Duncan wrote: On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:31, Jason Hall wrote: plug.org... well at least not when it's moving to a new datacenter. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jared Ottley jott...@gmail.com wrote: Any one know of or have a Minecraft server that

Re: Impossible Laptop

2011-11-18 Thread Levi Pearson
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote: Someone linked to it earlier in the thread. It is indeed defunct, since the official ACPI project stance is that these problems amount to bugs in their code, since regular users can hardly be expected to figure out