Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-17 Thread Von Fugal
I stand corrected about HDCP. My father in law was buying a TV a few years ago, and I told him to look for TVs that did not say they had HDCP, and it was my understanding that they were available and becoming more so. Maybe they just stop advertising HDCP and put it in the ridiculous tiny print.

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-17 Thread Levi Pearson
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Von Fugal v...@fugal.net wrote: I stand corrected about HDCP. My father in law was buying a TV a few years ago, and I told him to look for TVs that did not say they had HDCP, and it was my understanding that they were available and becoming more so. Maybe they

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-16 Thread Von Fugal
quote name=Levi Pearson date=Tue, 3 Aug 2010 at 16:10 -0600 In fact, from my research the ICT isn't supposed to cause audio downgrade. There's also a Digital Only token, which completely shuts off analog output, but I don't think anyone's planning on using that. --Levi My understanding

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-16 Thread Shane Hathaway
On 08/16/2010 10:22 AM, Von Fugal wrote: [...] HDCP is pretty much dead. It's hard to even find a TV that does HDCP anymore, not that anyone would ever want to. There was a HUGE backlash from consumers over that fiasco. So basically, you have blueray downgrading when it's not HDMI, but HDMI

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-16 Thread Michael Torrie
On 08/16/2010 10:22 AM, Von Fugal wrote: My understanding was that hd over compenent was still digital and not analog. I have my computer set up to output 720p over compenent and it looks absolutely amazing. Makes me want to put windows on it to play some classic RTS games (like TA). :) My TV

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-16 Thread Tod Hansmann
On 8/16/2010 10:29 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: On 08/16/2010 10:22 AM, Von Fugal wrote: [...] HDCP is pretty much dead. It's hard to even find a TV that does HDCP anymore, not that anyone would ever want to. There was a HUGE backlash from consumers over that fiasco. So basically, you have

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-16 Thread Steve Meyers
of these: http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm It would allow 1080p over component from a Blu-ray player. I just found a cheaper one that appears to decode HDCP as well: http://www.dinodirect.com/converter-hdmi-vga/AFFID-37.html I haven't bought either one, so I can't vouch for quality. I

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-16 Thread Levi Pearson
). Will I really get 720p/1080i over component? I've been looking to get one of these: http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm It would allow 1080p over component from a Blu-ray player.  I just found a cheaper one that appears to decode HDCP as well: http://www.dinodirect.com/converter-hdmi-vga

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-16 Thread Levi Pearson
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Von Fugal v...@fugal.net wrote: quote name=Levi Pearson date=Tue,  3 Aug 2010 at 16:10 -0600 In fact, from my research the ICT isn't supposed to cause audio downgrade.  There's also a Digital Only token, which completely shuts off analog output, but I don't

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-16 Thread Steve Meyers
On 8/16/10 11:37 AM, Levi Pearson wrote: You can get the HDFury boxes cheaper at monoprice.com. Definitely research the features of HDFury vs others. HDFury does support HDCP, and the later versions have a lot of other nifty features that you might not find elsewhere. A lot of those boxes

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-16 Thread Levi Pearson
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Steve Meyers steve-p...@spwiz.com wrote: The HDfury3 supports two features that I would like.  The first is user-selectable EDID, so I could tell it not to support 1080p (since the Hauppauge HD PVR doesn't support 1080p).  The second feature is DTS 5.1 digital

1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
Two different BestBuy associates have now told me that HDMI is the only way to have 1080p. Wikipedia says that component supports 1080p. Are these associates simply trying to sell HDMI cables? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Ryan Byrd
HDMI cables are cheap at monoprice: http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102cp_id=10240gclid=CNDL0LL8naMCFQtJagodMSuDrg On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Wade Preston Shearer wadeshearer.li...@me.com wrote: Two different BestBuy associates have now told me that HDMI is the

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Matthew Walker
On Tue, August 3, 2010 12:47 pm, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: Two different BestBuy associates have now told me that HDMI is the only way to have 1080p. Wikipedia says that component supports 1080p. Are these associates simply trying to sell HDMI cables? You can definitely do 1080p over

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Grant Shipley
1080p over component. They're lying to you. -- Matthew Walker HAM Call Sign: N7TOX Kydance Hosting Consulting, Inc. - http://www.kydance.net/ PHP, Perl, and Web Development - Linux Server Administration /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Grant Shipley
Shearer wrote: Two different BestBuy associates have now told me that HDMI is the only way to have 1080p. Wikipedia says that component supports 1080p. Are these associates simply trying to sell HDMI cables? You can definitely do 1080p over component. They're lying to you. -- Matthew Walker

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Bryan Sant
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@kydance.net wrote: You can definitely do 1080p over component. They're lying to you. In this case, they're doing you a favor by lying to you. One simple HDMI cable for digital audio and video, or the evil multi-colored hydra

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
On 3 Aug 2010, at 13:00, Bryan Sant wrote: In this case, they're doing you a favor by lying to you. One simple HDMI cable for digital audio and video, or the evil multi-colored hydra that is component (plus your audio cables). IMHO, If your setup supports HDMI, then I'd definitely go for

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
On 3 Aug 2010, at 12:56, Grant Shipley wrote: However, most bluray playes will down convert unless you are using HDMI because of the whole copyright protection dealio. Will you explain this more? Even though component cables can do 1080p, you're saying that some players won't push a 1080p

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:47:30PM -0600, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: Two different BestBuy associates have now told me that HDMI is the only way to have 1080p. Wikipedia says that component supports 1080p. Are these associates simply trying to sell HDMI cables? Yup. They're lying. Component

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Levi Pearson
into a channel rather than using fewer high-quality signals. If you're talking BluRay, 1080p over component cables is right out due to content protection/licensing issues. But video originating at 1080p24, like film content, has information in its headers that allows a trivial deinterlacing when

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Michael Torrie
On 08/03/2010 01:13 PM, Aaron Toponce wrote: On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:47:30PM -0600, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: Two different BestBuy associates have now told me that HDMI is the only way to have 1080p. Wikipedia says that component supports 1080p. Are these associates simply trying to

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 01:18:26PM -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: On 08/03/2010 01:13 PM, Aaron Toponce wrote: Which is why most blu-ray players will downsample the image to mere television qualtiy (540p) whenever you try to play the HD video via an analog or non-DRMed output. Yet another

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Levi Pearson
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 01:18:26PM -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: On 08/03/2010 01:13 PM, Aaron Toponce wrote: Which is why most blu-ray players will downsample the image to mere television qualtiy (540p) whenever you

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 01:27:42PM -0600, Levi Pearson wrote: I'm sure you'll enjoy your lack of BluRay player with all those reasons you have for not purchasing one. 1. The hardware is still substantially more costly than standard definitation hardware. Both disks and players. 2. It's really

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 14:00 -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: I just don't see the advantages. Amen. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Levi Pearson
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 01:27:42PM -0600, Levi Pearson wrote: I'm sure you'll enjoy your lack of BluRay player with all those reasons you have for not purchasing one. 1. The hardware is still substantially more

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Jeff Nyman
I just stuck a blue ray player in my HTPC . I was already outputing HDMI to my TV at 1080p so it was a no brainer for me, and blue ray looks amazing to me. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */ --

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
I just don't see the advantages. I agree. The blueray player was given to me as a gift. I wasn't planning on purchasing one. 1080p is pretty spectacular in some cases. Watching the BBC's planet earth series in bluray is quite stunning. Indeed! The gift also included this series as well. I

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
On 3 Aug 2010, at 13:07, Grant Shipley wrote: Well, 1080p is possible over component, but not from Blu-ray Disc. The Blu-ray standards indicate that when component video is used, the highest output that can be sent (allowable) is 1080i. IF the image contraint token (ICT) is not enabled. If

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Jacob Albretsen
Quoting Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com: 7. I'm not interested in rebuilding my movie collection, yet again, just for the latest-and-greatest. With rare exception, I completely stopped buying movies. Buying the same movie over and over again seemed insane to me. Here's the movie

Re: 1080p over component

2010-08-03 Thread Levi Pearson
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Wade Preston Shearer wadeshearer.li...@me.com wrote: I connected my Sony Blue-Ray player (via component) and the video setup allows for 720p or 1080i (but not 1080p, in harmony with what has been mentioned in this thread). Will I really get 720p/1080i over