Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-25 Thread Hans Fugal
Oops, sorry about that. 1. http://www.amazon.com/Working-Yourself-Independent-Contractors-Freelancers/dp/1413304400/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-3233390-3448157?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1177529326sr=8-1 On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 at 22:06 -0600, Kenneth Burgener wrote: Hans Fugal wrote: I didn't talk to a tax expert,

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-24 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 23:18 -0600, Steve wrote: A few months a go I decided to go programmer for hire and started checking out several contracting jobs. Cleaning out my bookmarks, I found a link you might find useful:

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-24 Thread Matthew Walker
On Mon, April 23, 2007 5:05 pm, Daniel C. wrote: On 4/23/07, Matthew Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A newt?! I suppose you won't be satisfied until it's all been said, will you? Well I pre-empt you, sir, with this xkcd comic: http://xkcd.com/c16.html Another XKCD fan! Yay! -- Matthew

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Roberto Mello
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 11:48:04PM -0600, Steve wrote: My philosophy has always been that programming is like carpentry, languages and frameworks are tools, a good carpenter always keeps his tools in good working order, and chooses the right tools for the right job. That analogy has been

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Steve
Hmm I never considered it that way, I've always looked at it as a way of saying you never stop learning (tools in good working order, to me means your mind and your skillset), and if you need C use C, need Perl use Perl etc. On 4/23/07, Roberto Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 22,

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Roberto Mello
It's a very convenient analogy, but IMNSHO, one that falls short in the case of programming. It's too simplistic. If programming languages were easily interchangeable and equivalent (like carpenter tools), we would all still be happily using Cobol or Fortran or PL/I. -Roberto On Mon, Apr 23,

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Bryan Petty
On 4/22/07, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else here utilized contractor for hire services, as a programmer, and could make a good recommendation? I've been under the impression that www.rentacoder.com offers a well thought out system for keeping both buyers and coders happy with

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Steve
You can often times substitute a hammer when using a nail gun, but you'ld end up working harder to create the same thing. On the other hand sometimes you do just need a hammer Same thing can be said of COBOL, FORTRAN or any other language. You can often substitute one for the other for a given

Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Sterling Jacobson
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roberto Mello Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:42 AM To: Provo Linux Users Group Mailing List Subject: Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay? It's a very convenient analogy, but IMNSHO, one that falls short in the case of programming. It's too

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Steve
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roberto Mello Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:42 AM To: Provo Linux Users Group Mailing List Subject: Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay? It's a very convenient analogy, but IMNSHO, one that falls short in the case of programming. It's too simplistic

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Joel Finlinson
On 4/22/07, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, A few months a go I decided to go programmer for hire and started checking out several contracting jobs. Over 6 months I've had 5 jobs, only 2 of which made good on funds owed (and sadly they were both jobs $1k). It seems to me that

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Levi Pearson
Sterling Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think this is what separates a coder and a software engineer. The typical coder without formal engineering training has learned the syntax of a particular language or similar language. I object (mildly) to the concept of 'formal engineering

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Daniel C.
On 4/22/07, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, A few months a go I decided to go programmer for hire snip the standard story First of all, be careful of who you do work for. You'll learn this with experience (the experience you probably have already) but some jobs just scream

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Justin Findlay
Dude, you are so wrong Levi. Justin /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Hans Fugal
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 at 10:39 -0600, Daniel C. wrote: Fourth, talk to a tax expert. Now. As an independent contractor, you're going to get slammed with about twice the taxes you would as an employee. There are ways to mitigate the taxes you have to pay, and a good tax... person (lawyer?

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Daniel C.
On 4/23/07, Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, you are so wrong Levi. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2007 April 23 Monday 01:26:49 PM -0600, Daniel C. wrote: On 4/23/07, Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, you are so wrong Levi. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? None. I endorse and agree with almost all Levi says actually. Just wanted to see what would happen

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Corey Edwards
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 13:26 -0600, Daniel C. wrote: On 4/23/07, Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, you are so wrong Levi. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? We have plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are /kinds/ of evidence. Corey /* PLUG: http://plug.org,

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Chad
On 4/23/07, Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On AD 2007 April 23 Monday 01:26:49 PM -0600, Daniel C. wrote: On 4/23/07, Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, you are so wrong Levi. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? None. I endorse and agree with almost all Levi

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread James Lance
On Monday 23 April 2007 1:42 pm, Corey Edwards wrote: On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 13:26 -0600, Daniel C. wrote: On 4/23/07, Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, you are so wrong Levi. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? We have plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Bart Whiteley
On 4/23/07, Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I endorse and agree with almost all Levi says actually. Just wanted to see what would happen if I said otherwise. You have time to read Levi's posts? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe:

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2007 April 23 Monday 02:02:02 PM -0600, Bart Whiteley wrote: You have time to read Levi's posts? I usually find what Levi says very interesting if not intelligent or otherwise well-informed. Justin /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe:

Re: Programmer and Software Engineer, WAS: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Daniel C.
On 4/23/07, Matthew Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A newt?! I suppose you won't be satisfied until it's all been said, will you? Well I pre-empt you, sir, with this xkcd comic: http://xkcd.com/c16.html /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe:

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Merrill Oveson
On thing to do is to create your own LLC - limited liability company. Then you only pay taxes on what you draw. Expenses are paid for right out of the company - make sure you set up separate bank account and keep the personal separate from the business - this is very important for tax purposes.

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-23 Thread Kenneth Burgener
Hans Fugal wrote: I didn't talk to a tax expert, but I did get a good book[1] on the subject. It helped immensely. But do it if you can. When doing my taxes this year, I did talk to a CPA at church about a question or two I had about my tax return, and it saved me about $700 in federal tax

Re: Contracting work, does anyone pay?

2007-04-22 Thread Shane Hathaway
Steve wrote: Additionally is anyone looking for a contract programmer for short term work, I could use the work and I think I'm getting pretty good at it :) Are you skilled in the Python/Zope/Plone stack? If so, I may have a job for you. Shane /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on