Re: Long uptimes.

2009-12-23 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Shane Hathaway on Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:01:55 MST: > I can't resolve folklore.org either. The problem is unrelated to BYU. The domain is poorly delegated and seriously misconfigured. I'm amazed that a DNS resolver is able to resolve it at all. RFC 1035 and RFC 1034 clearly define an N

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Steven Alligood
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.txt Maybe it's just because I'm on BYU's network, but I'm getting this: amcn...@maggie:~% host www.folklore.org Host www.folklore.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) Tragic. I can't resolve folklor

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Dallin Jones
On Nov 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: > Stuart Jansen wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 10:23 -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:15:45AM -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.txt >>> Maybe it's

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Shane Hathaway
Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 10:23 -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:15:45AM -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote: >>> http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.txt >> Maybe it's just because I'm on BYU's network, but I'm getting this: >

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Levi Pearson
y for them. Are they optimal? No, they kind of suck in a lot of ways. But that's not because people are lazy, it's because they're not in it for elegance, they're in it to use these things to make money. >> Maybe they're just driven by some metric other than ridicu

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 10:23 -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:15:45AM -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote: > > > > http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.txt > > Maybe it's just because I'm on BYU's network, but I'm getting this: > > amcn...@maggi

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:15:45AM -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote: > > http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.txt Maybe it's just because I'm on BYU's network, but I'm getting this: amcn...@maggie:~% host www.folklore.org Host www.folklore.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 10:13 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: > Levi Pearson wrote: > > So, bascially what you're saying is that anyone who chooses to implement > > a different set of features than you'd like is inherently lazy? I'm > > sorry the world hasn't arranged itself to suit your needs. :) > >

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Michael Torrie
that at one time software maintenance was the focus, but not anymore. > Maybe they're just driven by some metric other than ridiculously long > uptimes. It would make sense, since to do so would be... ridiculous. Yes I was afraid I'd be misconstrued as saying that ridiculously lo

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Michael Torrie
Brian Simons wrote: > I haven't used this personally, but I hear it works well and is > supported at least by Ubuntu: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksplice > http://www.ksplice.com/ I forgot about this little project. Of course it has the fatal flaw that it takes a bit of work on the part of

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 09:46 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: > But even on linux, a kernel update requires a reboot. Often the kernel > update is critical because of a local exploit that it fixes. Why do we > have to reboot just to patch a kernel? Sure it sounds complicated to > patch a running kern

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Levi Pearson
architecture newer than sometime in the 90s, and some of which go back to the 70s... wouldn't you say that their development is focused on software maintenance? Maybe they're just driven by some metric other than ridiculously long uptimes. It would make sense, since to do so would be.

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Brian Simons
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 09:46 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote: > Steven Alligood wrote: > But even on linux, a kernel update requires a reboot. Often the kernel > update is critical because of a local exploit that it fixes. Why do we > have to reboot just to patch a kernel? Sure it sounds complicated

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Michael Torrie
Steven Alligood wrote: > My guess is that the windows servers listed at the above url are > actually clusters, that allow upgrades, reboots and testing of one at a > time offline. Not true uptime at all. This reminds me of an article I read recently about software maintenance: http://cacm.acm.o

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Steven Alligood
On 11/17/2009 08:20 PM, Aaron Toponce wrote: Derek Davis wrote: Ha, that's nothing. I once had a Windows machine up for 2 weeks _straight_. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html wow. that is significant in that their either 1) only gather windows statistics (with

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Josh Frome
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Ryan Simpkins wrote: > Found two gems: > > 16:00:59 up 1621 days, 9:22, 1 user, load average: 0.48, 0.46, 0.45 > 16:27:24 up 1618 days, 8:15, 1 user, load average: 0.75, 0.65, 0.57 > Found this on a switch I was working on the other day: The system uptime

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-18 Thread Derek Davis
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Ryan Simpkins wrote: > a NetWare server, or that a windows box ran for 2 weeks without a reboot. How > many times did you have to hit "remind me later" on the reboot dialog box? Ah, you haven't learned the secret-to-multi-week-Windows-uptimes. When the reboot dia

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-17 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:52:57 -0700 (MST) "Ryan Simpkins" wrote: > > I once ran a BSOD for 4 weeks. Does that count as "running windows?" I'm sure that was almost as fascinating as watching the defragmenter. :-) -- Charles Curley /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-17 Thread Ryan Simpkins
On Tue, November 17, 2009 18:24, Derek Davis wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Bart Whiteley wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Ryan Simpkins >> wrote: >>> Found two gems: >>> >>> 16:00:59 up 1621 days,  9:22,  1 user,  load average: 0.48, 0.46, 0.45 >>> 16:27:24 up 1618 days,  8:

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-17 Thread Aaron Toponce
Derek Davis wrote: > Ha, that's nothing. I once had a Windows machine up for 2 weeks _straight_. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O signature.asc Description: Op

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-17 Thread Derek Davis
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Bart Whiteley wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Ryan Simpkins wrote: >> Found two gems: >> >> 16:00:59 up 1621 days,  9:22,  1 user,  load average: 0.48, 0.46, 0.45 >> 16:27:24 up 1618 days,  8:15,  1 user,  load average: 0.75, 0.65, 0.57 > > File Server U

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-17 Thread Bart Whiteley
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Ryan Simpkins wrote: > Found two gems: > > 16:00:59 up 1621 days,  9:22,  1 user,  load average: 0.48, 0.46, 0.45 > 16:27:24 up 1618 days,  8:15,  1 user,  load average: 0.75, 0.65, 0.57 File Server Up Time: 2249 Days 0 Hours 48 Minutes 54 Seconds NetWare v3.

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-17 Thread Michael Torrie
Michael Torrie wrote: > Ryan Simpkins wrote: >> 16:00:59 up 1621 days, 9:22, 1 user, load average: 0.48, 0.46, 0.45 >> 16:27:24 up 1618 days, 8:15, 1 user, load average: 0.75, 0.65, 0.57 >> >> These are ProLiant DL360 G4s with 2GB of RAM running RHEL. Standard server >> gear in a co-lo facili

Re: Long uptimes.

2009-11-17 Thread Michael Torrie
Ryan Simpkins wrote: > 16:00:59 up 1621 days, 9:22, 1 user, load average: 0.48, 0.46, 0.45 > 16:27:24 up 1618 days, 8:15, 1 user, load average: 0.75, 0.65, 0.57 > > These are ProLiant DL360 G4s with 2GB of RAM running RHEL. Standard server > gear in a co-lo facility, nothing fancy. Cool. T

Long uptimes.

2009-11-17 Thread Ryan Simpkins
Found two gems: 16:00:59 up 1621 days, 9:22, 1 user, load average: 0.48, 0.46, 0.45 16:27:24 up 1618 days, 8:15, 1 user, load average: 0.75, 0.65, 0.57 These are ProLiant DL360 G4s with 2GB of RAM running RHEL. Standard server gear in a co-lo facility, nothing fancy. -Ryan /* PLUG: http:/