Re: Network Control

2010-01-08 Thread Joe C
Well since no one has mentioned this yet most of the computers are Windows XP, I have a random idea. The Windows Live Essentials over at http://download.live.com/ has a Family Safety part that you can install on the Windows XP computers. If they are not allowed onto the Linux box that could cover

Re: Network Control

2010-01-08 Thread Joel Finlinson
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Joe C v2jo...@gmail.com wrote: Well since no one has mentioned this yet most of the computers are Windows XP, I have a random idea. The Windows Live Essentials over at http://download.live.com/ has a Family Safety part that you can install on the Windows XP

Re: Network Control

2010-01-08 Thread Scott Jones
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Joel Finlinson j...@finlinson.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Joe C v2jo...@gmail.com wrote: Since the clients are all Windows (or Macs), you can use a free filtering client from www.getk9.com (by BlueCoat Systems) on each machine. We also have a

Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Scott Jones
I have a small home network with three young male users, ages 10 to 14, and two adults. It's becoming increasingly necessary for me to implement some type of network access control, based on merit, behavior, homework, etc. I need to be able to prescribe time controls as well as allow and revoke

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On 07 Jan 2010, at 09:24, Scott Jones wrote: I have a small home network with three young male users, ages 10 to 14, and two adults. It's becoming increasingly necessary for me to implement some type of network access control, based on merit, behavior, homework, etc. I need to be able to

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Merrill Oveson
A simple solution is called bob. It plugs into wall then into the TV, or whatever. You set the time of day, time allowed, etc. When the times up the power is cut. (For a computer, plug it into the monitor.) Each child has a password. Parents have the admin password. We use it and works

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Stephen Shaw
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 09:29, Jonathan Duncan jonat...@bluesunhosting.com wrote: On 07 Jan 2010, at 09:24, Scott Jones wrote: I have a small home network with three young male users, ages 10 to 14, and two adults. It's becoming increasingly necessary for me to implement some type of

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Daniel C.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Merrill Oveson move...@gmail.com wrote: A simple solution is called bob. It plugs into wall then into the TV, or whatever.  You set the time of day, time allowed, etc. When the times up the power is cut.  (For a computer, plug it into the monitor.) I'm sure

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Bret Palsson
You would be surprised. -Bret On Jan 7, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Daniel C. wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Merrill Oveson move...@gmail.com wrote: A simple solution is called bob. It plugs into wall then into the TV, or whatever. You set the time of day, time allowed, etc. When the

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Barry Roberts
I'm currently researching this also. I'm using a script on the shared kids desktop computer to log them out after their alloted time is up. It works ok, but I could never get timekpr to work on Fedora, so I'm just using an old bash script. I'm looking into adding some UbuntuCE packages

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Scott Jones
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Daniel C. dcrooks...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Merrill Oveson move...@gmail.com wrote: A simple solution is called bob. It plugs into wall then into the TV, or whatever. You set the time of day, time allowed, etc. When the times

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Daniel C.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Bret Palsson bre...@gmail.com wrote: You would be surprised. Begging your pardon, sir - are you from Betelgeuse? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Bret Palsson
I just might be. I missed the ellipsis you placed at the end of your comment. Sorry about that. :) -Bret On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Daniel C. wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Bret Palsson bre...@gmail.com wrote: You would be surprised. Begging your pardon, sir - are you from

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Stephen Shaw
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:00, Scott Jones sanch...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Daniel C. dcrooks...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Merrill Oveson move...@gmail.com wrote: A simple solution is called bob. It plugs into wall then into the TV, or

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Stephen Shaw
This reminds me of my brother in law who when he was 15 his parents took away the computer power cable to revoke his access to the computer which was in the basement.  He used the computer happily for a few weeks without his parents knowing, then his dad decided to give his access back and

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Lee Higginson
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Scott Jones sanch...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Daniel C. dcrooks...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Merrill Oveson move...@gmail.com wrote: A simple solution is called bob. It plugs into wall then into the TV,

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Brandon Stout
On 01/07/2010 10:26 AM, Lee Higginson wrote: This reminds me of my brother in law who when he was 15 his parents took away the computer power cable to revoke his access to the computer which was in the basement. He used the computer happily for a few weeks without his parents knowing, then

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Doran L. Barton
On Thursday 07 January 2010 10:13:19 Stephen Shaw wrote: I've been using it for about 3+ years and it works well. It has all of the content filtering stuff as well. Its also a local company here in orem I believe. I can't remember. It was formerly clarkconnect and centralpointe server.

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Merrill Oveson
It's locked inside bob. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Daniel C. dcrooks...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Merrill Oveson move...@gmail.com wrote: A simple solution is called bob. It plugs into wall then into the TV, or whatever.  You set the time of day, time allowed,

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Steven Alligood
And locked on the monitor? And the computer doesn't have any form of tv out? and there aren't any other monitors in the house? I got around much harder impediments than any of this stuff when I was a teenager. The very best thing you can do it put the computer in a public area and

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Grant Shipley
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Scott Jones sanch...@gmail.com wrote: I have a small home network with three young male users, ages 10 to 14, and two adults. It's becoming increasingly necessary for me to implement some type of network access control, based on merit, behavior, homework,

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
On Thursday, January 07, 2010, at 11:29AM, Grant Shipley gship...@gmail.com wrote: Call me old fashion but what about just trusting them to follow the rules? If they break the rules, just take the computer away for a period of time? Please don't take that as me trying to give you advice

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Robert Merrill
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Steven Alligood st...@bluehost.com wrote: Never underestimate the ingenuity of nerd children. That statement sounds like a bumper-sticker candidate to me /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Robert Merrill
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Wade Preston Shearer wadeshearer.li...@me.com wrote: On Thursday, January 07, 2010, at 11:29AM, Grant Shipley gship...@gmail.com wrote: Call me old fashion but what about just trusting them to follow the rules?  If they break the rules, just take the

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Robert Merrill
It'd also be fun to just pop up a window on their box at random times that says: Hey, this is dad. Yes, I am watching you. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 13:14 -0700, Robert Merrill wrote: Afterall, is there ANYTHING in the world more persuasive to a 12 year-old boy than his 10 and 14yr old brothers threatening to punch you in the face if they break the rules again? I think this is the best approach. Teach them important

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Derek Davis
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 13:14 -0700, Robert Merrill wrote: Afterall, is there ANYTHING in the world more persuasive to a 12 year-old boy than his 10 and 14yr old brothers threatening to punch you in the face if they break

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:28:19 -0700 Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 13:14 -0700, Robert Merrill wrote: Afterall, is there ANYTHING in the world more persuasive to a 12 year-old boy than his 10 and 14yr old brothers threatening to punch you in the face if they

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:05:28 -0700 Robert Merrill robertmerr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Steven Alligood st...@bluehost.com wrote: Never underestimate the ingenuity of nerd children. That statement sounds like a bumper-sticker candidate to me We have too many of

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Chris
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Robert Merrill robertmerr...@gmail.comwrote: One way to enforce this may be to simply restrict EVERYONE's home network usage if one person proves to go outside prescribed and pre-agreed boundaries That technique is used to great effect in military

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Alex Esplin
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 13:52, Chris plug@2nerds.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Robert Merrill robertmerr...@gmail.comwrote: One way to enforce this may be to simply restrict EVERYONE's home network usage if one person proves to go outside prescribed and pre-agreed boundaries

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Brandon Stout
On 01/07/2010 01:14 PM, Robert Merrill wrote: EVERYONE's home network usage if one person proves to go outside prescribed and pre-agreed boundaries. For example, if it's discovered through logs or other means that computer usage was too high or through parental-educational

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Dallin Jones
On Jan 7, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Brandon Stout wrote: On 01/07/2010 01:14 PM, Robert Merrill wrote: EVERYONE's home network usage if one person proves to go outside prescribed and pre-agreed boundaries. For example, if it's discovered through logs or other means that computer usage was too high

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Brandon Stout
On 01/07/2010 02:26 PM, Dallin Jones wrote: Looks like we have finally fulfilled Godwin's Law. Now there's a self-fulfilling law if I ever saw one. As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches. I can say that about anything: As an

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:52:44 -0700 Chris plug@2nerds.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Robert Merrill robertmerr...@gmail.comwrote: That technique is used to great effect in military boot-camp-type training scenarios. When one grunt screws up, the entire squad/platoon

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:26 -0700, Dallin Jones wrote: Looks like we have finally fulfilled Godwin's Law. Bzzzt, wrong. Godwin's law was invoked by my mention of the gestapo earlier today. (Note to the pedantic: While Godwin's law does not apply when deliberately triggered, I did not

Home Internet Filtering for Linux Users WAS Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Richard Esplin
Though I agree with Grant and Wade in principle, it is important to realize that every person is different. Some people struggle more with unfiltered Internet than others. Giving parents (and individuals) good tools to train their children (and remind themselves), is important in reaching the

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Shane Hathaway
Brandon Stout wrote: In other words, the longer any discussion is, the greater the likelihood that anything will be discussed. Sure, but discussions often converge toward the Nazi topic specifically. That convergence is an interesting phenomenon. As a rule, whenever the Nazi topic comes up

Re: Network Control

2010-01-07 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 20:09 -0700, Shane Hathaway wrote: As a rule, whenever the Nazi topic comes up in an emotional context, it's time to abruptly leave the discussion. There is often no way to exit cleanly. Shut up you pinko nazi anarcho-fascist dog! -- XML is like violence: if it