Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2023-01-01 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
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Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2023-01-01 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
On 2023-01-01 02:24, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: techli...@phpcoderusa.com said on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 18:40:37 -0700 Steve, Why is our education system what it is today? 3 decades of cheaping out public education. Constant drumbeat of anti-teacher assertions. Drugs and crime you'd

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2023-01-01 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
I agree the fed is a big part of the problem. The people who created the fed are all probably dead. The question that goes in concert with that question is how has Washington DC used the Fed and spending bills to cause these issues and past issues. On 2022-12-31 18:59, greg zegan wrote:

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2023-01-01 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
techli...@phpcoderusa.com said on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 18:40:37 -0700 >Steve, > >Why is our education system what it is today? 3 decades of cheaping out public education. Constant drumbeat of anti-teacher assertions. Drugs and crime you'd expect from a lot of (but not all) children of uneducated

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-31 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
Who was it that created the federal reserve bank? Those are responsible people Find out what ideology fueled it and you have the answer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > Steve, > > Why is our education system what it is today? >

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-31 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
Steve, Why is our education system what it is today? Who moved all the businesses off shore? Why are illegal aliens able to take jobs away from American Citizens? Who is responsible for our immigration? Who is responsible for H1B visas? How many trust fund babies are there in America? Does

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-31 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
techli...@phpcoderusa.com said on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:54:21 -0700 >Here are my thoughts. Nothing is free.. had an econ prof that used to >say there are no free lunches... it might be free to you but someone >paid for it. True. But schooling for the citizenry is an investment. Educated people

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-31 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
I know this is antidotal My Experience. I was not going any place too fast so my father told me to enlist. I joined the Marine Corps. That one move has paid dividends all my life. After I got out people actually took me serious. My first semester at college I worked full-time 10p-6a

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-31 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 30 Dec 2022 18:14:49 -0700 >This doesn't surprise me a bit.  30 years ago I worked in some fast >food places and I saw the unreliability of many people who work there. >  The trend is toward more of the 'I don't have to work. Everybody >owes me.' attitude.  As

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-31 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 30 Dec 2022 07:31:06 -0700 >About 20 years ago I posted to a tech list that I thought H1B was a >bad thing and I got roasted. Self-hating programmers. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-31 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
George Toft via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 29 Dec 2022 19:40:34 -0700 >You won't be replaced by a machine.  You will be replaced by someone >willing to do your job for $20-25 per hour. > >I've seen postings in a large company that stated they were paying >Tata Consultancy $66K for H1B DBA's. 

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-31 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 20:56:25 -0700 >The technology has been available for almost a decade and with the use >of AI we will start seeing businesses starting to spend the money on >it as a lot of businesses have openings for jobs but no one seems >interested.

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-31 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 18:43:04 -0700 >Not sure anyone is suggesting they work for free. I assume they will >be highly paid as they are today. A full time job that doesn't put a roof over your head, pay for basic food, and if the job requires a car, pay for

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-30 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
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Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-30 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
reading this right now.https://liberalforum.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Liberal-Read-No-17_Empathy-as-a-Pillar-of-Liberalism.pdf Using my Debian Linux machine.;-)If you remember that csc200 course I took back in 98' and the question of : "If you could write a program that would put people

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-30 Thread Jim via PLUG-discuss
This doesn't surprise me a bit.  30 years ago I worked in some fast food places and I saw the unreliability of many people who work there.   The trend is toward more of the 'I don't have to work. Everybody owes me.' attitude.   I saw something a couple of years ago about a fast food place that

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-30 Thread Jim via PLUG-discuss
I can't help but think about what might have happened if the guy who bought the router wanted to use it. On 12/29/22 07:05, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: The article said the router had an internal hard drive.  I wonder if it was logging and therefore that info was found in the logs.

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-30 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
On 2022-12-30 15:19, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote: Pick-a-part is a great place to find brains :)  It helps to know where the ECU is and how to remove it (automotive brain surgeon) otherwise, you'll be paying someone else to extract it and ship it to you and pay someone else at $175/hr

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-30 Thread George Toft via PLUG-discuss
Pick-a-part is a great place to find brains :)  It helps to know where the ECU is and how to remove it (automotive brain surgeon) otherwise, you'll be paying someone else to extract it and ship it to you and pay someone else at $175/hr to install it.  It rapidly becomes cost-prohibitive to

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-30 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
I assume you do not take part in the automated checkout because it reduces labor? I do not go that far. I think we are using too much technology and that is why I avoid the automated checkout. I'm a programmer and I do not like the tech shift we making. I do not like chips in cars. As the

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-30 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
About 20 years ago I posted to a tech list that I thought H1B was a bad thing and I got roasted. On 2022-12-29 19:40, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote: You won't be replaced by a machine.  You will be replaced by someone willing to do your job for $20-25 per hour. I've seen postings in a

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-29 Thread Jason Spatafore via PLUG-discuss
I'm kinda with George here. I went to a Circle K today that had a self checkout. It took 3x as long to checkout. I let the attendant there know that I did not enjoy the experience and won't return. But, I will use Amazon and delivery services. So I think the labor market will move away from

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-29 Thread George Toft via PLUG-discuss
You won't be replaced by a machine.  You will be replaced by someone willing to do your job for $20-25 per hour. I've seen postings in a large company that stated they were paying Tata Consultancy $66K for H1B DBA's.  Tata takes 33%, which means the H1B Visa worker gets $44K, or $22/hr.

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-29 Thread George Toft via PLUG-discuss
I'll pass on this for the same reason I don't go to Sonic and I won't use self-checkout at Albertson's/Walmart/Home Depot. Regards, George Toft On 12/28/2022 7:22 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Thought you might find this interesting.

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-29 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
The article said the router had an internal hard drive. I wonder if it was logging and therefore that info was found in the logs. Scary!! On 2022-12-28 20:48, greg zegan wrote: Is this even possible?

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-28 Thread Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss
The technology has been available for almost a decade and with the use of AI we will start seeing businesses starting to spend the money on it as a lot of businesses have openings for jobs but no one seems interested. How businesses are being run has changed since the pandemic and people are

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-28 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
Is this even possible?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11580467/Man-buys-router-thrift-store-finds-previous-owners-bank-account-credit-card-numbers.html On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 06:43:09 PM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 2022-12-28 18:25, Nathan via

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-28 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
On 2022-12-28 18:25, Nathan via PLUG-discuss wrote: On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 7:14:56 PM CST Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Unskilled labor is about to be hardcore unemployed and the jobs that will be available will be for those who have leaned some skills. There is no such

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-28 Thread Nathan via PLUG-discuss
On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 7:14:56 PM CST Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Unskilled labor is about to be hardcore unemployed and the jobs that > will be available will be for those who have leaned some skills. > There is no such thing as unskilled labor, only exploitation of the

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-28 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
Let me say that I think people need to make a fair wage. I had a conversion with a guy maybe 8 years ago. He was pushing a raise in minimum wage. He was a big shot in Silicon Valley. I told him what my econ prof said : "Alternatives become more available as the price of any given thing

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-28 Thread Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss
The article says there are people there to tend cash register and a couple of other things. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, at 10:00, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 07:22:37 -0700 > >>Thought you might find this interesting. >>

Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-28 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 07:22:37 -0700 >Thought you might find this interesting. > >https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/mcdonalds-unveils-first-automated-location-social-media-worried-will-cut-millions-jobs Sounds like a good idea, but I pay with cash, and I

McDonald's unveils first automated location

2022-12-28 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
Thought you might find this interesting. https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/mcdonalds-unveils-first-automated-location-social-media-worried-will-cut-millions-jobs --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe,