Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-21 Thread Michael Butash
Far as I know, M$ OEM's are not transferable in any way, even to VM. Yet another kick in the shorts, you get the joy of paying the microsoft tax twice, and in theory paying far more than oem license costs. Having purchased time and time again laptop hardware with pre-paid windoze licenses tha

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-21 Thread Stephen Partington
you can try it and see. On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Keith Smith wrote: > It is OEM. What is the solution for getting an image that I can run in > VirtualBox? > > On 2016-04-20 07:29, Stephen Partington wrote: > >> depends on the version/edition of windows. Most OEM copies are not >> sold

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-21 Thread Keith Smith
It is OEM. What is the solution for getting an image that I can run in VirtualBox? On 2016-04-20 07:29, Stephen Partington wrote: depends on the version/edition of windows. Most OEM copies are not sold with licencing to be run on a VM but some Enterprise editions do allow for such things. On

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Nathan England
No doubt, as one of the main developers supporting the internal apps, I voice my opinion quite loudly, have no doubts! It was amazing IT let me run Fedora... On 2016-04-20 11:15, Michael Butash wrote: Find and mock the internal developers that don't know how to make standard-compliant code

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Michael Butash
Find and mock the internal developers that don't know how to make standard-compliant code, usually tends to begin at least some vague awareness for those crappy windoze-only devs that are unaware of a bigger world out there now. Tough love, but friends don't let friends run IE, or force others

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Nathan England
Sadly, my company is still stuck on IE 9, though some ramblings have been heard lately about IT upgrading to 11 across the board. Until then we must support 9. Several of our internal apps are used by many of those IE 9 users... And oddly enough, our primary website still has about 10% of it

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Michael Butash
Since microsoft seems to insist on keeping their browsers perpetually vulnerable for the government to exploit, seems sandboxing is about the only way to keep it from infecting your os. A full vm just to keep ie from infecting you though? Why not just NOT use IE? It's really not common anymo

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Michael Butash
I've not seen this issue with it, and I've had to have windoze enumerate some pretty extensive directories of files being forced to work with various data for a customer last year for several months, or even just my music directory. It's not uncommon I'm editing files between windoze in a conf

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Nathan England
Just as a tip... The first thing I do after booting up a new Modern IE vm, disable windows updates. On 2016-04-20 10:18, Wayne D wrote: The images are win 7,8,10 THANKS NATHAN! On 04/20/2016 09:39 AM, Nathan England wrote: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Wayne D
The images are win 7,8,10 THANKS NATHAN! On 04/20/2016 09:39 AM, Nathan England wrote: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/linux/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubs

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread James Dugger
Sorry QEMU ... stupid auto correction. On Apr 20, 2016 10:06 AM, "James Dugger" wrote: > In the past VBox's GuestAdditions plugin for file sharing between host and > guest systems has had latency issues and even file corruption when the > shared folders had a lot of files to manage. Is this stil

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread James Dugger
In the past VBox's GuestAdditions plugin for file sharing between host and guest systems has had latency issues and even file corruption when the shared folders had a lot of files to manage. Is this still a problem in VBox. I don't recall this issue in QUEMC, though admittedly it has been a while

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Nathan England
Microsoft provides versions of IE ready to go for VirtualBox. You select which version of IE you want and the version of Windows to emulate and they give you a zip file. 1) Download the zip 2) Extract the zip 3) Open VirtualBox and Import Appliance The images expire after 90 days. When that

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Stephen Partington
depends on the version/edition of windows. Most OEM copies are not sold with licencing to be run on a VM but some Enterprise editions do allow for such things. On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Keith Smith wrote: > Question : I have several Dell desktops and several Dell laptops that > came wit

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-20 Thread Keith Smith
Question : I have several Dell desktops and several Dell laptops that came with Windows. I've replaced almost all of them with Linux. I do have a need for Windows on occasion. I do have VirtualBox configured on my desktop and laptop. I'd like to install Windows in a guest on VirtualBox. C

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:03:23 -0700 Matt Graham wrote: > On 2016-04-19 12:12, Wayne D wrote: > > 1 vote each for VirtualBox and QEMU > > Pros and Cons of each? > > QEMU emulates more architectures, like ARM, and it doesn't have any > associations with Orrible. Its user interface is much less

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-19 Thread Michael Butash
For a while doing work for a vendor I offloaded a build image into a vm, and just used a virtualbox as a corporate image in windoze 7, complete with all the security/spyware installed, which actually would tax the underlying host some.  Using it with virtualbox, I

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-19 Thread Nathan England
In all of my experiences with KVM vs VBox it has always come down to "do I need graphical performance?" VBox is stellar when it comes to running a windows vm. I use modern.ie daily for testing old IE versions and current versions and it flat out sucks on kvm. But when it comes to running v

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-19 Thread Stephen Partington
I have not been able to run a large enough workload to see the difference. On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Matt Graham wrote: > On 2016-04-19 12:12, Wayne D wrote: > >> 1 vote each for VirtualBox and QEMU >> Pros and Cons of each? >> > > QEMU emulates more architectures, like ARM, and it doesn'

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-19 Thread Matt Graham
On 2016-04-19 12:12, Wayne D wrote: 1 vote each for VirtualBox and QEMU Pros and Cons of each? QEMU emulates more architectures, like ARM, and it doesn't have any associations with Orrible. Its user interface is much less polished than Virtualbox's. I think that a normal user would probably

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-19 Thread Michael Butash
I've done vmware, kvm, xen, most of the flavors for bare-metal server and desktop-ish attempts, and for a basic desktop sort of usecase, it's great for me. Vbox Good: Seamless feature is nice as mentioned, works pretty well even in multi-monitor mode. Well, it did until I got my new 4k displ

Re: To Tux or not to Tux (VM's)

2016-04-19 Thread Wayne D
On 04/19/2016 10:15 AM, Michael Butash wrote: Use virtualbox with "seamless" mode, all the windoze apps run windowed to be less annoying overall, and you can hide the disgrace mostly of still using it. :) 1 vote each for VirtualBox and QEMU Pro's and Con's of each?