RE: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-13 Thread Bob Elzer
...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:24 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions You, Henry Ford, and I all agree that black is the best color. You are in good company. :-) Mark On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bishmer

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-13 Thread Greg Furmanek
#1 reason I would recommend Mac is that most of the time you don't have to do the sysadmin stuff for the people that have those. I haven't had any problems with DRM on Mac. True I am not doing a lot of video but audio has not been much of a problem. I have to agree with your point of damage

Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
My oldest is heading off to college in the Fall, and she needs to take a laptop with her. She has used Linux all her life, but only from Gnome, so Windows, Mac, Linux are all the same to her. She is a journalist, not a computer geek. Anyway, one significant requirement is for iTunes to work with

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 06:58 -0700, Mark Phillips wrote: My oldest is heading off to college in the Fall, and she needs to take a laptop with her. She has used Linux all her life, but only from Gnome, so Windows, Mac, Linux are all the same to her. She is a journalist, not a computer geek.

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
In a Word: Dell Dell makes the best laptops available and support Linux. You essentially have only one problem here: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/03/04/itunes-syncing-now-works-in-linux-with-wine/ Banshee http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7150747782.html On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:58

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
The dual boot system described by Craig is absolutely the best solution on a DELL! (Buy her a Red One)... Actually Craig, This is for a young creative, beautiful, normal teen, (not a geek) who will be doing alot of school work, (not working on computers), hanging out and walking ALOT between

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
I am really liking what i have heard both on list and online about system76.com 100% Linux compatible laptops and the pricing is incredible On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: My oldest is heading off to college in the Fall, and she needs to take a

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Joe
I couldn't agree less. Sure it'll be powerful enough for her, no doubt, but she's going to be typing up documents for school, and the netbook keyboards are much smaller than a real keyboard. She could get used to it or even use an external keyboard when she's working, but why force her to go

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
As for jounalism...she should re-evaluate because it is an industry in a death spiral. This is true, but is it because of quality journalism or not... i gave up paying attention because i kept getting bombarded with crap instead of insightful information and the like... quality journalists can

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Charles Jones
If you never want to have to worry about problems with it. Get a Dell and the Complete Care warranty. You can literally throw your laptop against a wall and they will fix it good as new. Things I have seen them fix, while having to support some employee laptops. * Replaced shattered LCD -

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
Get her an Apple (with AppleCare if you want the 2 years of extended warranty). Great hardware. Its light, it works with iTunes, Office or OpenOffice. The best deal is refurbed from Apple's site. 13.3 Macbook white - $849. http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB402LL/A?mco=MjE0NDk5Mw Don't curse

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Charles Jones
AppleCare doesn't replace broken LCDs (know from experience). And this often happens with students, usually from having a pen laying on the keyboard and closing the lid*crunch* :-) -Charles Eric Cope wrote: Get her an Apple (with AppleCare if you want the 2 years of extended warranty).

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
I heard that happen once... followed by a oh F... i cringed... On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: AppleCare doesn't replace broken LCDs (know from experience). And this often happens with students, usually from having a pen laying on the

RE: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Bob Elzer
: Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions I couldn't agree less. Sure it'll be powerful enough for her, no doubt, but she's going to be typing up documents for school, and the netbook keyboards are much smaller than a real keyboard. She could get used to it or even use an external keyboard when she's

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
thats a good point. Let your kid buy themselves something so they value it enough not to close a lid on a pen. I bought my own IBM laptop and never closed the lid on a pen because I knew I counldn't afford to replace it! On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Charles Jones

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
Thanks for all the advice! My take away so far: 1. Buy a Mac - all problems solved, but I have no idea how to use it or support it, and probably the most expensive choice. 2. Get a dual boot system - inconvenient, but I can support it for her long distance 3. Netbook vs laptop - I agree the

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Jason Holtzapple
--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote:  No one mentioned a VM solution - boot Linux and run Windows with some form of vmware for ITunes. Am I looking at yet more expense for high end hardware (lots of RAM and dual core)? I have tried vmware on my P4 2 GHz laptop

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Joe
I run 32-bit XP in VirtualBox on my X360. It's a low-voltage, dual-core 1.2GHz chip (SU9300) with 3GB of RAM running 64-bit Ubuntu (8.10 at the moment). It runs pretty fast for me; that is, the fan doesn't seem to go crazy and there's no real noticeable lag in the host or the VM. To be fair

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
Macs are pretty... Macs are BSD, so you can support it too. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Joe li...@joefleming.net wrote: I run 32-bit XP in VirtualBox on my X360. It's a low-voltage, dual-core 1.2GHz chip (SU9300) with 3GB of RAM running 64-bit Ubuntu (8.10 at the moment). It runs pretty

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Gehlker
On May 12, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: Thanks for all the advice! My take away so far: 1. Buy a Mac - all problems solved Hardly. You just move on to the OpenOffice vs NeoOffice issue. ;-) http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/NeoOffice_Feature_Comparison -- Conscience is

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
Arghhh...now I know why I don't want to get a MAC...lol ;-) On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Chris Gehlker canyon...@mac.com wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: Thanks for all the advice! My take away so far: 1. Buy a Mac - all problems solved Hardly. You just

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Donn
OpenOffice 3 works perfectly well with OS X without the need for X or NeoOffice. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote: Arghhh...now I know why I don't want to get a MAC...lol ;-) On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Chris Gehlker canyon...@mac.com

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Eric Cope
I use OpenOffice on my Mac. You *could* buy Office if you want to... student edition is choke affordable /choke Eric On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Donn dlshum...@gmail.com wrote: OpenOffice 3 works perfectly well with OS X without the need for X or NeoOffice. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 11:08 -0700, Donn wrote: OpenOffice 3 works perfectly well with OS X without the need for X or NeoOffice. agreed and I have too much history with the slow dog NeoOffice to ever actually install it again. OOo works on Intel based Macs - enough said. Craig -- This

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread nadimhoque
use oo is so much better. Nadim Hoque Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:14:23 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 08:53 -0700, Joe wrote: I couldn't agree less. Sure it'll be powerful enough for her, no doubt, but she's going to be typing up documents for school, and the netbook keyboards are much smaller than a real keyboard. She could get used to it or even use an external keyboard

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 08:56 -0700, Stephen wrote: As for jounalism...she should re-evaluate because it is an industry in a death spiral. This is true, but is it because of quality journalism or not... i gave up paying attention because i kept getting bombarded with crap instead of

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Stephen
I agree it is not the same as before, but the concept of journalism is not based on the media it is presented in be it TV internet, print or newsprint. the part that i find lacking is almost unilateral across these mediums. and i honestly prefer to save the trees and get mine online. but its

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Jerry Davis
On Tue, 12 May 2009 10:03:47 -0700 Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: 4. Lisa picked up on a good point - my daughter is deathly afraid I will get her a black box computer for college. I mean a real black box - square corners, matte black. We don't agree on shoes, and we don't

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Bishmer Sekaran
4. Lisa picked up on a good point - my daughter is deathly afraid I will get her a black box computer for college. I mean a real black box - square corners, matte black. We don't agree on shoes, and we don't agree on the need for a fashionable laptopso I have to through in that as a

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
You, Henry Ford, and I all agree that black is the best color. You are in good company. :-) Mark On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bishmer Sekaran bish...@sekaran.netwrote: 4. Lisa picked up on a good point - my daughter is deathly afraid I will get her a black box computer for college. I

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Mark Phillips
Thank-you everyone for your input. It has proven to be very helpful in narrowing the choices, and provided some good input to discuss with my daughter. This is what we have decided.FWIW: 1. Dual boot Windows and Linux. She only uses iTunes once a week at most, and then to buy a song or two

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Greg Furmanek
Hi Mark, As much as I would like to recommend a Linux system at this time the best hardware you can buy is a Mac. I know some say that the premium $ is not worth it but after using one for over 2 years I have nothing better to recommend. BTW, the price is way worth it and it's based on a

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 20:01 -0700, Greg Furmanek wrote: Hi Mark, As much as I would like to recommend a Linux system at this time the best hardware you can buy is a Mac. I know some say that the premium $ is not worth it but after using one for over 2 years I have nothing better to

Re: Looking for Laptop Suggestions

2009-05-12 Thread AZ Rune
System76.com This company has a line of notebooks their new Netbook (got one myself) with good hardware and customer support check out youtube for a review of one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWBqgtJBOAA You really can't go wrong here and with the other programs people mentioned you should