Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-12 Thread storkus
Wow, I had no idea I would create such a thread! Thanks to everyone for their help! To be honest, I'd love to have Alexander's job or something similar. I originally wanted to go into, and am still interested in, telecom, networking, and sys admin and analysis. I would *LOVE* to do embedded stu

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Joshua Zeidner
The problem is with this, is if you hire based on specific skills which may be learnable in a few hours, thats all you're likely to get. -jmz On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:24 PM, James Mcphee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From the same background of trying to hire people, I'm usually looking for

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Charles Jones
Bryan O'Neal wrote: > ..." Even if I was, are they going to let go all of their people? Doubt > it. "... > I work/ed for a real estate company. We went from over 50 people down > to 4 in a bit over a year. It is all about the boom and bust; ride the > wave as long as you can and try to bail bef

RE: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Bryan O'Neal
TECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:31 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi Josh, > >Job boards, especially free ones, are not a reliable indicator

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread James Mcphee
>From the same background of trying to hire people, I'm usually looking for specific skills. So if your resume didn't get you anything, CHANGE IT!!! With the amount of people out there, I've had to fall back onto keyword searches to net me a somewhat sane #. And I just keep adding keywords until

RE: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Bryan O'Neal
: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:59 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's a good point, Tony, but one of those articles quoted directly from the Dept. of Labor (t

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Joshua Zeidner
re. PHP programmers, I agree with you totally. There are lots of people who picked up PHP one day and decided they're developers, with no experience or training in software dev. Likewise, its takes a lot of effort to convince someone you're qualified in the field of PHP probably due to the poin

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Alex Dean
der.hans wrote: PHP jobs might also be in the 'fill quite easily' category. Speaking as someone who's had to fill 'PHP Developer' vacancies a few times, I have to disagree with this claim to a certain degree. There is an extremely large pool of people who think of themselves as PHP develop

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread alexanderhenry
Josh Coffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, you guys are right. It is circumstantial, and not scientific. Its my > opinion that demand has increased in the last year compared the the previous > 2 or 3 years. This is

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread alexanderhenry
Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >My take on the economy: there is a major reorientation underway. > > > > blah blah blah. Doesn't mean anything to me or Mike, who started this > > thread with a "what do I do with my life" post, personally. > > Well if you want to

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread der.hans
Am 11. Aug, 2008 schwätzte Josh Coffman so: Best advice I can give about IT, is don't do it for the money. You won't be happy as it is really draining and there is no guarantee the money will always be there. That's true about anything really, but I think its especially true in tech. Excelle

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Josh Coffman
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Hi Josh, > > > >Job boards, especially free ones, are not a reliable indicator. Many > > people use those boards to gauge markets, which means that a lot of the > > posting

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread keith smith
Subject: Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 11:30 AM Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi Josh, > >Job boards, especially free ones, are not a reliable indicator. Many > people use th

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread alexanderhenry
Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi Josh, > >Job boards, especially free ones, are not a reliable indicator. Many > people use those boards to gauge markets, which means that a lot of the > postings are not legitimate jobs. Agree strongly. Lots of spam from "recruiters

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Randy Melder
Has anyone checked out Dice.com for San Diego (where I am now)? Exploding IT market. ; ) .randy On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Eric Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can offer slightly different (point of view) advice. I would recommend > doing what ever you are good at, or more precisely, w

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Josh Coffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:59 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That's a good point, Tony, but one of those articles quoted directly >> from the Dept. of Labor (the one with the stats), so it's not just the >> usual m

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Eric Cope
I can offer slightly different (point of view) advice. I would recommend doing what ever you are good at, or more precisely, where you are most valuable. To clarify, what ever skills you can obtain that some one else is willing to pay (a lot) for, get those skills. If those skills can align with wh

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread alexanderhenry
I was the one who suggested you should go for network administrator. I was looking at both your current knowledge base as well as your character. I think you would be pleasantly bored in class, up to a point right at the end when you go for your CISCO cert tests, which would have left time fo

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Josh Coffman
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:59 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a good point, Tony, but one of those articles quoted directly > from the Dept. of Labor (the one with the stats), so it's not just the > usual media love of blowing things out of proportion. I completely > agree with you on the

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread storkus
That's a good point, Tony, but one of those articles quoted directly from the Dept. of Labor (the one with the stats), so it's not just the usual media love of blowing things out of proportion. I completely agree with you on the Valley, though--when I went back home to Reno a couple of weeks ago,

Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

2008-08-11 Thread Tony E - Jaraeth
Don't trust everything you see & hear on /. ... Take a look at all the media outlooks and gather a more average outlook on the IT market. Arizona, especially the Valley, are ripe for IT. It's all in the local market, read your local paper such as AZCentral.com online, or pick up a trees worth