Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-11 Thread Joseph Sinclair
I feel your pain, I've made similar suggestions to the GMail team several times, and never got a positive result (partly because there is too much other work to do to get it to the reliability required to exit beta). There's a base philosophy behind GMail that nothing should ever be really dele

Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-11 Thread Josef Lowder
Joseph Sinclair wrote: > ... filters almost always return more matches than you would expect > unless you make them really tightly controlled (i.e. > "listid:some-single-word-id", > with quotes to limit expansion, NOT subject:blah). PS: I do make those filters really tightly controlled as you des

Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-11 Thread Josef Lowder
Joseph Sinclair wrote, in part: > Seriously, are you really getting that much spam in your gmail account? Yes! It's incredible ... 300-400 every day (if I don't use filters to send the worst of this garbage to trash) ... and it almost always includes 1 or 2 or more legitimate email messages that

Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-10 Thread Joseph Sinclair
I see a few things to be concerned with here: 1) GMail expects you to use it's built-in spam detection (it's a lot more expansive than what LK described, BTW). Building your own spam detection net via filters is likely to result in a lot of bad effects. 2) Filters have nothing to do with SPAM, s

Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-10 Thread Josef Lowder
On 10/10/08, Lisa Kachold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are your rules? > Can you post them for us? Here's the list of subjects for which I've created filters: http://www.upquick.com/view/gmail.filters --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-disc

RE: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-10 Thread Lisa Kachold
What are your rules? Can you post them for us? I am sure that a [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be able to quickly tell you the issue? > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:17:01 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: OT: Gmail filter errors &

Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-10 Thread Josef Lowder
On 10/10/08, Shawn Badger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use gmail and the Tuna's email didn't appear in my spam box. Just curious > are you saying "not spam" to the messages that are misdirected? Yes, I do check "not spam" to messages the show up in the spam folder that are not spam. But they ke

Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-10 Thread Shawn Badger
I use gmail and the Tuna's email didn't appear in my spam box. Just curious are you saying "not spam" to the messages that are misdirected? On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Mike Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmmm, in view of LK's answer, I do not understand... > it seems like, the filter

Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-10 Thread Mike Schwartz
Hmmm, in view of LK's answer, I do not understand... it seems like, the filtering would affect all users of (incoming) gmail - which includes me. I user gmail, but the thread with the "OT: I've been burgled" subject, was handled sorta normally for me. I wonder if there might be more to this... hmm

Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-10 Thread Josef Lowder
I just ran a test sending a message to myself with the character- string "n't" in the subject line and it was not filtered to either spam or trash. On 10/10/08, Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you, Lisa. That is a very helpful explanation. > > In this case, the example item with

Re: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-10 Thread Josef Lowder
Thank you, Lisa. That is a very helpful explanation. In this case, the example item with a single quote mark in the subject line went into my trash folder rather than to spam. Does the fact that this happens (with single quote marks in a subject line) mean that every item like that goes into eit

RE: OT: Gmail filter errors

2008-10-10 Thread Lisa Kachold
Gmail/google uses the spamav/clamav, spamd and spamassasin rating to determine what is spam and what is not. Part of that is based on their custom signatures, which send to spam folders based on "intelligent" format. This "spamav/clamav" signature is updated on their servers hourly (or depe