Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Ariel Gold
Sure, some of the radical rhetoric, on both sides, sounds scary, and I understand people are upset and angry. While I don't think a listserv lends to people understanding each other on a volatile issue like this, I thought I'd still share this link from the conservative think tank, the Cato

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 21:41, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: Did you not even read you cited references? Not that I am complaining. I think it was a bold move that paid off very, very, well. But denying the nature of the conflict is like saying the Civil War was

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread James Finstrom
Regardless of your political point of view or personal feelings on the issues boycotts by state are stupid and pointless. These boycotts of arizona do not affect those who affect the law. The boycotts only hurt those they are trying to protect. I am a fan of an eye for an eye but these boycotts

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 06:58, James Finstrom jfinst...@rhinoequipment.comwrote: Regardless of your political point of view or personal feelings on the issues boycotts by state are stupid and pointless. These boycotts of arizona do not affect those who affect the law. The boycotts only hurt

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
All rhetoric aside... for anyone actually interested the text of the law fueling all of this debate you can read it here: http://www.azleg.gov/alispdfs/council/SB1070-HB2162.PDF --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, David da...@damnetwork.net wrote: From: David da...@damnetwork.net Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 9:56 PM Why?  Serious inquiry.   From my brief reading

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 11:40 PM Sure, some of the radical rhetoric, on both sides, sounds scary, and I understand people are upset and angry. While I don't think

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 8:31 AM All rhetoric aside... for anyone actually interested the text of the law fueling all of this debate you can read it here: http://www.azleg.gov/alispdfs/council/SB1070

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread James Finstrom
someone makes a comment is Have you read the law?. I have and it is very tame. Keith Smith --- On *Tue, 5/18/10, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com* wrote: From: JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
...@damnetwork.net Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 9:56 PM Why? Serious inquiry. From my brief reading, they don't do anything many other political groups do. David I find your

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
JD - Good I am taking this in a very light hatred manor - I was hoping it came across that way through email :) As for the American empire and current illegal activity; it does not justify the breaking of laws in any way - I was retorting to the liberal (or conservative not sure which it was)

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Alex Dean
On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. sure as soon as someone

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
the link you sent works, but none of the links on the page... on a side note, any group can get started at ASU and receive funding. the requirements are quite low. Eric On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:04, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: The whole point I would like to make is that truth depends greatly on your point of view. Don't recite rhetoric, think in a logical and scientific manor, don't cloud the issue, define the problem and

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
clearly they took down some of the content on there, knowing that they were under public scrutiny. the requirements are so low that you can receive funding even if your group is vocally declaring war on the US. Brewer is trying to get this group removed, but she was called 'racist' for

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:19, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Ariel Gold
, 5/17/10, Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 11:40 PM Sure, some of the radical rhetoric

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 14:05 -0500, Alex Dean wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. obviously you don't understand that

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:38 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:19, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Lyle Tuttle
At 12:47 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: So you are seriously telling me the DOJ stats, cited by the conservative CATO institute, are misinformation? I don't know yet...I did copy that info to one of the section leaders in the county Atty's office, and the immediate response was one of surprise.and

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
but crime has not risen!    Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration but allow more guest workers. No rites, heavily taxed, but documented and working. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:30 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:04, Bryan O'Neal

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 13:25, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you missed my point. My Point : Just because there is as much crime last year as this year does not mean there isn't a problem. It's a sad truth that few people are ever swayed by logic when the issue is

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 1:44 PM I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread David
- Original Message - From: keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:03:19 AM Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? They teach hate and AZTLAN. They teach that this is their land

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 13:44, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration but allow more guest workers. No rites, heavily taxed, but documented and working. This covers the above:

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread joe
While I agree that it is generally preferable to try to keep this forum as focused as possible on primarily Linux related topics ... on the other hand as long as the subject line clearly states OT ... then why not just let it run its course. Seems to me that the main thing is to just make sure

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Lyle Tuttle
At 01:02 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: At 12:47 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: So you are seriously telling me the DOJ stats, cited by the conservative CATO institute, are misinformation? I don't know yet...I did copy that info to one of the section leaders in the county Atty's office, and the immediate

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
can't Mexico build a place where their people want to stay? Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, David da...@damnetwork.net wrote: From: David da...@damnetwork.net Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
Excellent reference! Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net wrote: From: Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, May

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Technomage
On 5/17/10 4:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: you might see some kind of short term deflation, but any substantial deflation would break us. Any time you have debt, then deflation makes that debt harder to pay. Not only would it be tragic for Americans on a personal level, but on a state

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
As the Austrians point out, deflation in real terms (not inflicted by the Federal Reserve) is actually a result of the innovation of the free market and the creation of wealth (as individuals create wealth, things become more affordable... think of the cost of a brand new technology, like DDR3, as

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
Deflation is generally not a bad thing for people who save or people who lend (unless the deflation forces a default). It's a bad thing for people who borrow. -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: As the Austrians point out, deflation in real terms

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
The deflation with which you are referring is the reverse of devaluation of the dollar through poor monetary policy inflected upon us by the concept of central banking. And I would agree with you with the asterisk that any change of the money supply by central banking is bad for everyone, although

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 15:13, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.comwrote: The biggest problem with have in this country is a lack of personal responsibility for ones own actions (including incurring debt). we need to be a lot more responsible and we need to force the states into doing so at

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
This reminds me of the book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad. I worked at a country club to put myself through college. I'd say about 1/2 of the members group up dirt poor. So poor, 1-2 families shared run down studio apartments. They worked hard, saved, and repeated. Now they are extremely wealthy. They

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Donn
Come on, give it a rest or take it off-line already! -- Donn There is a very fine line between hobby and mental illness. -- Dave Barry --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 15:45, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: The problem isn't illegal immigration. Its that immigration is illegal. Sorry maybe you didn't know about this but... immigration is not illegal! Foreign born citizens become legal American citizens every single day. Its just

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
The issue of illegal aliens is essentially an enormous financial siphon and legal black hole that is fenced off from public criticism by the (false) pretext of racism. Many different groups use this siphon and legal black hole to their advantage. Naturally such a thing attracts all sorts of

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 14:05 -0500, Alex Dean wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course.

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Matt Graham
From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net [snip] You have to remember that every group has its crusading self centered lunatic fringe who are determined to save the world by belaboring everyone within earshot with their crackpot politics. Even though something that I wrote 1.5 years ago shouldn't

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
you haven't immigrated here lately, have you? I am not talking about naturalization (which is not a simple checklist like you make it out to be). I am talking about merely coming to work (which is also not a simple checklist like you make it out to be). Eric On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:00 PM, JD

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 16:09, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: The issue of illegal aliens is essentially an enormous financial siphon and legal black hole that is fenced off from public criticism by the (false) pretext of racism. I'd agree that in MOST cases it is false and no

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 16:32, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: you haven't immigrated here lately, have you? I am not talking about naturalization (which is not a simple checklist like you make it out to be). I am talking about merely coming to work (which is also not a simple checklist

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Matt Iavarone
This is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on the subject. Do you really believe these people would not rather have had the opportunty to come here legally? Are you really that out of touch with reality? On May 18, 2010 7:00 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Tue,

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread wta
I am sorry guys to interrupt your drama club, but this is a plug discuss group, no politics or religion here, but if you like this topic so much, you may create a discuss group. you know one email is ok, but getting all this crap that will take you nowhere is no nice for nobody. Just let it be,

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 16:09 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010, Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 14:05 -0500, Alex Dean wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux.

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 16:57, Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.comwrote: This is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on the subject. Do you really believe these people would not rather have had the opportunty to come here legally? Are you really that out of touch with

(OT) Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Lyle Tuttle
At 04:57 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: This is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on the subject. Do you really believe these people would not rather have had the opportunty to come here legally? Are you really that out of touch with reality? Of course they would! And they are

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Matt Iavarone
Again, you are showing your ignorance. If you enter without inspection, you cannot apply for a visa or change your status. You have to go back to your native country, subject to a ban of up to 10 years, and then apply and wait, and of course pay through the nose with non existant funds. On May

Re: (OT) Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
Good Job! Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net wrote: From: Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net Subject: (OT) Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
: From: Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 6:46 PM Again, you are showing your ignorance.  If you enter without inspection, you cannot apply

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:46, Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.comwrote: Again, you are showing your ignorance. If you enter without inspection, you cannot apply for a visa or change your status. You have to go back to your native country, subject to a ban of up to 10 years, and then apply

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Alex Dean
On May 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Jim
due to repeated inappropriate use of this list, all posts relating to the apple boycott will be filtered to trash. if some members fail to respect the other members of this list, and if the managers of this list fail to take appropriate action, i can and will. Craig White wrote: On Tue,

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Alex Dean
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Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
do the job the federal PLUG government wont do... jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jim fa...@cox.net wrote: due to repeated inappropriate use of this list, all posts relating to the apple boycott will be filtered to trash. if some members fail to respect the other members of this

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Granroth kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.comkurt%2bplug-disc...@granroth.com Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:23:48 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? On 5/16/10 12:54 PM, Joshua

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Kurt Granroth
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? On 5/16/10 12:54 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void.  What do you base this on? Keith Smith --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
this on? Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Eric Shubert
Joshua Zeidner wrote: Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we should do it right back to them. Does anyone else find this ludicrous? -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Stephen
I do. So far i find it petty and silly, because so much of their core is Dependant on AZ resources and companies. and responding in knid would be the same.. My apple boycott has nothing to do with LA/Cali being silly and petty and everything to do with the fact that apple keeps doing things that

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this on? earlier, Joshua Zeidner: Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I do. So far i find it petty and silly, because so much of their core is Dependant on AZ resources and companies. and responding in knid would be the same.. My apple boycott has nothing to do with LA/Cali being silly and

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation?  Wouldn't that help? Keith Smith --- On Mon, 5/17/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread JD Austin
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 15:27, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this on? earlier, Joshua Zeidner:

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
I agree with most of what you say below, but I think here lies the wishful thinking. This thing is not sustainable even for a few years more. California is *about to default on its debt*... if you think this is the time to sit back and admire your 401k statement, think again. But you're

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
: Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation? Wouldn't that help? Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote: From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
I think if taxes were reduced by 25% or even 50% we would see deflation.  We need to deflate. Keith Smith --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:58 PM In a deflation scenario, the dollar

ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread R P Herrold
On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation?  Wouldn't that help? herrold, earlier: This looks like wishful thinking. The outsourcing/offshoring genie is out of the bottle, and nothing is going to put it back Deflation relative to what? Gold? The

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
! Keith Smith --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:13

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
So what would you do if you were in charge? Keith Smith --- On Mon, 5/17/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com Subject: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread R P Herrold
On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: I think if taxes were reduced by 25% or even 50% we would see deflation.  We need to deflate. If one reduces taxes (I assume here, you mean the net effective Federla ones), the federal deficit goes up faster, and the feds need to borrow more to fund

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:16 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation? Wouldn't that help? herrold, earlier: This looks like wishful thinking. The outsourcing/offshoring genie is out of the

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:58

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread R P Herrold
On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: So what would you do if you were in charge? Negative agenda don't resonate with voters, so these need to be 'dressed up' as positives, but I wont sugar coat it here Not suggest that protectionism (here, a boycott) is anything but a distorion of a

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
BTW, everyone there is going to be a big rally on June 5th ( also another on the 12th) at the AZ Capitol. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ http://www.phoenixrally.com/ It is reported that there will be over 10,000 people there. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:34 PM, R P Herrold

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:23 PM On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: I think if taxes were reduced by 25% or even 50% we would see deflation.  We need to deflate. If one

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
. Keith Smith --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:27 PM   Thats not really

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 16:24 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I think thats why they made the media $h!tstorm. It poses a huge threat to them, because the fact is, removing illegals is going to be highly beneficial to our local economy. It's much better to be employing tax paying American

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
...@owlriver.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:34 PM On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: So what would you do if you were in charge? Negative agenda don't resonate with voters

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
.   Keith Smith --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: From: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:04 PM

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:04 PM On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 16:24 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I think thats why they made the media $h!tstorm. It poses a huge threat to them, because the fact

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread joe
This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the nine years I've lived in Arizona. I hope everyone on this list will forward this web address to everybody

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
I would urge EVERYONE, even if you're in the outer realms of Arizona (probably means even more to you then) to come to this. I spoke to some organizers and they are busing in people from other states. The whole country is coming to this thing. When is the last time you've even seen your state

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread huertanix
@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the nine years I've lived in Arizona. I hope

Re: [OT] ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 00:40 +, huerta...@gmail.com wrote: It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really have anything to do with Linux anymore. it never did. It does however illustrate the perceptual problem that people living elsewhere have with Arizona. Craig -- This

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the nine years I've lived in Arizona. I

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:32 PM This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:39 PM  I would urge EVERYONE, even if you're in the outer realms of Arizona (probably means even more to you

Re: [OT] ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
Subject: Re: [OT] ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: huerta...@gmail.com, Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:49 PM On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 00:40 +, huerta...@gmail.com wrote: It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really

Re: [OT] ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
people living elsewhere don't have a perceptual problem with Arizona. Last time I checked over 65% of the country is in total support of us. You need to stop watching the idiot box. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread David Huerta
to do with Linux  anymore. Sent from my BlackBerry Slowphone provided by Allfail -Original Message- From: j...@actionline.com Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:32:56 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
history. Put your video onto YouTube.com. Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread Joshua Zeidner
...@actionline.com Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:32:56 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread keith smith
on some of those dirt roads.  Keith Smith --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-17 Thread David
On May 17, 2010, at 5:32 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the nine years I've lived in Arizona. I hope

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