Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

2019-12-11 Thread Michael Butash 
Well, it was a few years ago, maybe M$ finally made it functional, but
originally WSL had no network support.  WTF would I want a modern OS, even
linux in emulation, to NOT have networking?  Even using vbox under windoze
running ubuntu linux was very destructive to performance, I was hoping WSL
to be a decent medium.

At some point I'll boot over to the original windoze partition, maybe
sooner than later with this laptop being a hot mess and everything else on
Arch I own.  I probably should update the win os, bios, and things on it at
least.

-mb


On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 3:48 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> weird. I currently have no issues with networking. and technically it is
> not an emulation layer. It is supposed to be an api set or something that
> runs a Linux kernel under windows natively.
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 2:42 PM Michael Butash  wrote:
>
>> Last time I tried WSL was with getting this laptop a few years ago.  As a
>> network guy, I sort of just sat there stunned that the frigging thing
>> couldn't network.  Why the hell would you make a linux emulation layer that
>> couldn't network?  Is this still Ballmer-hate?
>>
>> What the hell is good in this day and age without networking?  I don't
>> see how they even shipped it as a thing without network support.
>>
>> This and other major things like I said visual lag in the gui, with
>> up-to-date os, drivers, etc shipped from dell, was utter shite, and just
>> angered me.  It was graphically unusable to me.  I gave windoze a solid 2
>> weeks as a trial, just to see, and it was garbage to try and be
>> productive.  It really didn't like when I was layer on VM's in vbox, which
>> usually I have 5-8 vm's at a time running in my main system, and it fell
>> apart.
>>
>> People ask why I bother with linux.  Because windoze can't do the things
>> I do in linux, like run 10 vm's of different os's and still game on steam.
>> I've ran linux on a desktop as my main rig since 2006, as well as dealing
>> with entirely windoze enterprise worlds, so I like to think I have some
>> knowledge of this.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:44 AM Stephen Partington 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> well microsoft has made good improvements with WSL and you can do some
>>> neat things like that
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM Michael Butash 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
 drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.

 My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
 what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
 to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
 might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
 shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
 and slow down everything working.

 -mb


 On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
 wrote:

> It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
> until the 18.04 upgrade was done.
>
> It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
> wrote:
>
>> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
>> installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
>> (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
>> tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
>> couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
>> back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
>> similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP 
>> servers.
>> In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.
>>
>> 
>> Thomas Scott
>> about.me/thomas.scott
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
>>> hardware error during installation.
>>> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
>>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
>>> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington <
>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home.
 The hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare 
 drive
 sleds, It is ready to go.

 However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is
 related to

Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

2019-12-10 Thread Stephen Partington 
On a whim I rolled back to my kernel from when It was last running 16.04
successfully (for some reason I thought this would not work) and the server
is up and running. Now to find out what was not included to load my disk
subsystem.

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 3:48 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> weird. I currently have no issues with networking. and technically it is
> not an emulation layer. It is supposed to be an api set or something that
> runs a Linux kernel under windows natively.
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 2:42 PM Michael Butash  wrote:
>
>> Last time I tried WSL was with getting this laptop a few years ago.  As a
>> network guy, I sort of just sat there stunned that the frigging thing
>> couldn't network.  Why the hell would you make a linux emulation layer that
>> couldn't network?  Is this still Ballmer-hate?
>>
>> What the hell is good in this day and age without networking?  I don't
>> see how they even shipped it as a thing without network support.
>>
>> This and other major things like I said visual lag in the gui, with
>> up-to-date os, drivers, etc shipped from dell, was utter shite, and just
>> angered me.  It was graphically unusable to me.  I gave windoze a solid 2
>> weeks as a trial, just to see, and it was garbage to try and be
>> productive.  It really didn't like when I was layer on VM's in vbox, which
>> usually I have 5-8 vm's at a time running in my main system, and it fell
>> apart.
>>
>> People ask why I bother with linux.  Because windoze can't do the things
>> I do in linux, like run 10 vm's of different os's and still game on steam.
>> I've ran linux on a desktop as my main rig since 2006, as well as dealing
>> with entirely windoze enterprise worlds, so I like to think I have some
>> knowledge of this.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:44 AM Stephen Partington 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> well microsoft has made good improvements with WSL and you can do some
>>> neat things like that
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM Michael Butash 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
 drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.

 My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
 what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
 to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
 might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
 shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
 and slow down everything working.

 -mb


 On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
 wrote:

> It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
> until the 18.04 upgrade was done.
>
> It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
> wrote:
>
>> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
>> installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
>> (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
>> tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
>> couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
>> back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
>> similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP 
>> servers.
>> In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.
>>
>> 
>> Thomas Scott
>> about.me/thomas.scott
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
>>> hardware error during installation.
>>> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
>>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
>>> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington <
>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home.
 The hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare 
 drive
 sleds, It is ready to go.

 However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is
 related to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.

 The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
 Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to 
 make
 sure)

 Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get

Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

2019-12-10 Thread Stephen Partington 
weird. I currently have no issues with networking. and technically it is
not an emulation layer. It is supposed to be an api set or something that
runs a Linux kernel under windows natively.

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 2:42 PM Michael Butash  wrote:

> Last time I tried WSL was with getting this laptop a few years ago.  As a
> network guy, I sort of just sat there stunned that the frigging thing
> couldn't network.  Why the hell would you make a linux emulation layer that
> couldn't network?  Is this still Ballmer-hate?
>
> What the hell is good in this day and age without networking?  I don't see
> how they even shipped it as a thing without network support.
>
> This and other major things like I said visual lag in the gui, with
> up-to-date os, drivers, etc shipped from dell, was utter shite, and just
> angered me.  It was graphically unusable to me.  I gave windoze a solid 2
> weeks as a trial, just to see, and it was garbage to try and be
> productive.  It really didn't like when I was layer on VM's in vbox, which
> usually I have 5-8 vm's at a time running in my main system, and it fell
> apart.
>
> People ask why I bother with linux.  Because windoze can't do the things I
> do in linux, like run 10 vm's of different os's and still game on steam.
> I've ran linux on a desktop as my main rig since 2006, as well as dealing
> with entirely windoze enterprise worlds, so I like to think I have some
> knowledge of this.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:44 AM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> well microsoft has made good improvements with WSL and you can do some
>> neat things like that
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM Michael Butash 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
>>> drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.
>>>
>>> My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
>>> what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
>>> to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
>>> might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
>>> shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
>>> and slow down everything working.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
 until the 18.04 upgrade was done.

 It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
 wrote:

> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
> installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
> (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
> tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
> couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
> back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
> similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP 
> servers.
> In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.
>
> 
> Thomas Scott
> about.me/thomas.scott
> 
> 
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>
>> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
>> hardware error during installation.
>> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
>> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington <
>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home.
>>> The hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare 
>>> drive
>>> sleds, It is ready to go.
>>>
>>> However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is
>>> related to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.
>>>
>>> The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
>>> Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to 
>>> make
>>> sure)
>>>
>>> Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this
>>> hardware to a current kernel?
>>>
>>> --
>>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you
>>> from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze 
>>> button.
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To

Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

2019-12-10 Thread Michael Butash 
Last time I tried WSL was with getting this laptop a few years ago.  As a
network guy, I sort of just sat there stunned that the frigging thing
couldn't network.  Why the hell would you make a linux emulation layer that
couldn't network?  Is this still Ballmer-hate?

What the hell is good in this day and age without networking?  I don't see
how they even shipped it as a thing without network support.

This and other major things like I said visual lag in the gui, with
up-to-date os, drivers, etc shipped from dell, was utter shite, and just
angered me.  It was graphically unusable to me.  I gave windoze a solid 2
weeks as a trial, just to see, and it was garbage to try and be
productive.  It really didn't like when I was layer on VM's in vbox, which
usually I have 5-8 vm's at a time running in my main system, and it fell
apart.

People ask why I bother with linux.  Because windoze can't do the things I
do in linux, like run 10 vm's of different os's and still game on steam.
I've ran linux on a desktop as my main rig since 2006, as well as dealing
with entirely windoze enterprise worlds, so I like to think I have some
knowledge of this.

-mb


On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:44 AM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> well microsoft has made good improvements with WSL and you can do some
> neat things like that
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM Michael Butash  wrote:
>
>> Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
>> drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.
>>
>> My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
>> what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
>> to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
>> might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
>> shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
>> and slow down everything working.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
>>> until the 18.04 upgrade was done.
>>>
>>> It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
 installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
 (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
 tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
 couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
 back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
 similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP servers.
 In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.

 
 Thomas Scott
 about.me/thomas.scott
 
 


 On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:

> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
> hardware error during installation.
> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington <
> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home.
>> The hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare drive
>> sleds, It is ready to go.
>>
>> However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is related
>> to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.
>>
>> The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
>> Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to 
>> make
>> sure)
>>
>> Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this
>> hardware to a current kernel?
>>
>> --
>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you
>> from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze 
>> button.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

2019-12-10 Thread Stephen Partington 
well microsoft has made good improvements with WSL and you can do some neat
things like that


On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM Michael Butash  wrote:

> Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
> drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.
>
> My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
> what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
> to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
> might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
> shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
> and slow down everything working.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
>> until the 18.04 upgrade was done.
>>
>> It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
>>> installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
>>> (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
>>> tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
>>> couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
>>> back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
>>> similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP servers.
>>> In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thomas Scott
>>> about.me/thomas.scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>>>
 I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
 hardware error during installation.
 while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
 it has a community supported 32 bit version available

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington <
 cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home.
> The hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare drive
> sleds, It is ready to go.
>
> However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is related
> to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.
>
> The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
> Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to 
> make
> sure)
>
> Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this
> hardware to a current kernel?
>
> --
> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>
> Stephen
>
> ---
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

2019-12-10 Thread Michael Butash 
Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.

My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
and slow down everything working.

-mb


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
> until the 18.04 upgrade was done.
>
> It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
> wrote:
>
>> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
>> installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
>> (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
>> tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
>> couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
>> back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
>> similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP servers.
>> In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.
>>
>> 
>> Thomas Scott
>> about.me/thomas.scott
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
>>> hardware error during installation.
>>> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
>>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
>>> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home. The
 hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare drive
 sleds, It is ready to go.

 However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is related
 to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.

 The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
 Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to make
 sure)

 Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this
 hardware to a current kernel?

 --
 A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
 rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

 Stephen

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Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

2019-12-09 Thread Stephen Partington 
It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ until
the 18.04 upgrade was done.

It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott  wrote:

> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was installed
> upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years (surprised it
> lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I tried to install
> 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I couldn't as it had
> issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll back to 14.04 and then
> upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a similar issue with CentOS6/7
> a bout a year ago as well, also on HP servers. In my experience, both times
> it was the RAID controller.
>
> 
> Thomas Scott
> about.me/thomas.scott
> 
> 
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>
>> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386 hardware
>> error during installation.
>> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
>> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home. The
>>> hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare drive
>>> sleds, It is ready to go.
>>>
>>> However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is related to
>>> changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.
>>>
>>> The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
>>> Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to make
>>> sure)
>>>
>>> Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this hardware to
>>> a current kernel?
>>>
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>>>
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

2019-12-09 Thread Thomas Scott 
I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was installed
upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years (surprised it
lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I tried to install
16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I couldn't as it had
issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll back to 14.04 and then
upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a similar issue with CentOS6/7
a bout a year ago as well, also on HP servers. In my experience, both times
it was the RAID controller.

Thomas Scott
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:

> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386 hardware
> error during installation.
> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home. The
>> hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare drive
>> sleds, It is ready to go.
>>
>> However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is related to
>> changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.
>>
>> The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
>> Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to make
>> sure)
>>
>> Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this hardware to
>> a current kernel?
>>
>> --
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>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>>
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

2019-12-09 Thread Todd Cole 
I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386 hardware
error during installation.
while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
it has a community supported 32 bit version available

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home. The
> hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare drive
> sleds, It is ready to go.
>
> However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is related to
> changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.
>
> The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
> Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to make
> sure)
>
> Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this hardware to a
> current kernel?
>
> --
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> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-13 Thread Stephen Partington 
Alternatively you can use the Server install image, however make sure you
adjust your install to turn off the waiting for the network stack if its to
boot without network ever.


On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:49 AM, Matthew Crews 
wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:56:32 AM MST you wrote:
> > I would like to get a CD to  install Ubuntu 18.04. One site offers 12
> > CDs of repository files. I know many of you may make your own install
> > CDs. I don't have the time so where is the best place to purchase these
> > CDs.  Are that many CDs of repository files necessary?
>
> Are you saying you want to make an install disk, or do you want to install
> off
> of CD-ROM (as opposed to DVD-ROM)?
>
> Just a heads up for Ubuntu 18.04, Canonical does not offer a full install
> CD
> image anymore, as they have increased the download size to require at
> least a
> DVD or USB stick.
>
> If you want a CD and not DVD install, you should use the network
> installer. An
> active internet connection is required to use it.
>
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/18.04/
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-13 Thread Matthew Crews 
On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:56:32 AM MST you wrote:
> I would like to get a CD to  install Ubuntu 18.04. One site offers 12
> CDs of repository files. I know many of you may make your own install
> CDs. I don't have the time so where is the best place to purchase these
> CDs.  Are that many CDs of repository files necessary?

Are you saying you want to make an install disk, or do you want to install off 
of CD-ROM (as opposed to DVD-ROM)?

Just a heads up for Ubuntu 18.04, Canonical does not offer a full install CD 
image anymore, as they have increased the download size to require at least a 
DVD or USB stick.

If you want a CD and not DVD install, you should use the network installer. An 
active internet connection is required to use it.

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/18.04/



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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-12 Thread Stephen Partington 
With ether every image to USB has been valid (barring bad drive or download)

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 9:12 PM Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:30:19 -0700
> Matt Graham  wrote:
>
> > On 2018-06-12 14:06, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > > Generally speaking I do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I haven't
> > > for quite some time.  I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to
> > > write installation media to [a] USB drive.
> >
> > Wait, what?  Why would you need any utilities at all to do that?
> > Also, there are no ebuilds for "rufus" or "etcher" in a
> > recently-synced portage tree.
> >
> > All you need to do is "dd if=distroname-1.2.3.iso of=/dev/sdN
> > bs=32k", making sure that sdN refers to the USB disk you wish to
> > overwrite with the distro installation image.  BIOSes are smart
> > enough to invoke El Torito when they boot from a USB disk and see an
> > ISO or UDF image on it. At least IME.  (If YMMV, tell us details.)
> >
>
> My experience, several years ago (probably 2011) was that some distros'
> install DVD image dd'ed to a thumbdrive worked perfectly, while other
> distros' DVD image dd'ed to a thumbdrive wouldn't boot.
>
>
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-12 Thread Steve Litt 
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:30:19 -0700
Matt Graham  wrote:

> On 2018-06-12 14:06, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > Generally speaking I do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I haven't
> > for quite some time.  I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to
> > write installation media to [a] USB drive.  
> 
> Wait, what?  Why would you need any utilities at all to do that?
> Also, there are no ebuilds for "rufus" or "etcher" in a
> recently-synced portage tree.
> 
> All you need to do is "dd if=distroname-1.2.3.iso of=/dev/sdN
> bs=32k", making sure that sdN refers to the USB disk you wish to
> overwrite with the distro installation image.  BIOSes are smart
> enough to invoke El Torito when they boot from a USB disk and see an
> ISO or UDF image on it. At least IME.  (If YMMV, tell us details.)
> 

My experience, several years ago (probably 2011) was that some distros'
install DVD image dd'ed to a thumbdrive worked perfectly, while other
distros' DVD image dd'ed to a thumbdrive wouldn't boot.


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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-12 Thread Stephen Partington 
Rufus, is a windows based application and I have yet to find anything
better for dealing with windows iso writing.

etcher is very clean and is just a touch more graceful than using dd (for
me)

https://etcher.io/

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Matt Graham  wrote:

> On 2018-06-12 14:06, Stephen Partington wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking I do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I haven't
>> for quite some time.  I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to
>> write installation media to [a] USB drive.
>>
>
> Wait, what?  Why would you need any utilities at all to do that?  Also,
> there are no ebuilds for "rufus" or "etcher" in a recently-synced portage
> tree.
>
> All you need to do is "dd if=distroname-1.2.3.iso of=/dev/sdN bs=32k",
> making sure that sdN refers to the USB disk you wish to overwrite with the
> distro installation image.  BIOSes are smart enough to invoke El Torito
> when they boot from a USB disk and see an ISO or UDF image on it. At least
> IME.  (If YMMV, tell us details.)
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-12 Thread Matt Graham 

On 2018-06-12 14:06, Stephen Partington wrote:

Generally speaking I do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I haven't
for quite some time.  I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to
write installation media to [a] USB drive.


Wait, what?  Why would you need any utilities at all to do that?  Also, 
there are no ebuilds for "rufus" or "etcher" in a recently-synced 
portage tree.


All you need to do is "dd if=distroname-1.2.3.iso of=/dev/sdN bs=32k", 
making sure that sdN refers to the USB disk you wish to overwrite with 
the distro installation image.  BIOSes are smart enough to invoke El 
Torito when they boot from a USB disk and see an ISO or UDF image on it. 
At least IME.  (If YMMV, tell us details.)


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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-12 Thread Stephen Partington 
Generally speaking I Do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I havent for
quite some time.

I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to write installation media to USB
drive.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
wrote:

> Now, THAT’s an even better solution than finding me!   Highly recommended
> solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Todd Cole
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2018 8:14 AM
> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: Ubuntu 18.04
>
>
>
>  Single DVD for 18.04 for the OS the rest can be quickly downloaded
> (updates added repos if needed)
>
> Installfest Saturday UAT 48 St and baseline 10-4PM We have DVD.s and USB's
> and can help you install
>
> configure and debug if necessary. We should be in room 206 but ask at
> front counter if needed
>
> University of Advancing Technology
>
> 2625 W Baseline Rd, Tempe, AZ 85283
>
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RE: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-12 Thread Carruth, Rusty 
Now, THAT’s an even better solution than finding me!   Highly recommended 
solution.


From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf 
Of Todd Cole
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 8:14 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 18.04

 Single DVD for 18.04 for the OS the rest can be quickly downloaded (updates 
added repos if needed)
Installfest Saturday UAT 48 St and baseline 10-4PM We have DVD.s and USB's and 
can help you install
configure and debug if necessary. We should be in room 206 but ask at front 
counter if needed
University of Advancing Technology
2625 W Baseline Rd, Tempe, AZ 85283

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RE: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-12 Thread Carruth, Rusty 
Put a slightly different way -

Actually, let me interrupt myself and say - if you start at distrowatch.com I 
seem to recall a LOT of links for where to buy install images.  You might start 
there if you’re bound and determined to go buy something ;-)

Ok, back to our regularly-scheduled email:

Generally, you can use multiple CDs or a single DVD (I’m assuming that ‘they’ 
still allow the use of CDs instead of DVDs!).  I suppose it’s possible to only 
burn the CDs you know you’ll need, but I certainly wouldn’t know ahead of time 
which ones I have to have and which I don’t, so I’d probably download all of 
them anyway.  Which makes me say:

If you get an install DVD instead of a bunch of install CDs you’re probably 
better off over using CDs, if for no other reason than you don’t have to guess 
which CDs you need.  For Linux Mint (which I use because I’m lazy ;-) and which 
is based on  Ubuntu), the DVD image is under 2GB (more than 1G, but I forget 
how much more).

To back up a little,  why are you looking for CD images of repositories?  Do 
you not have access to the internet from where the machine will have Linux 
installed?  Or is it because you only have a CD drive and not a DVD drive?

If it’s the latter, a DVD drive can be had for under $20 (I bought some USB DVD 
drives for under $20 on eBay, including shipping).

If you live in or near Tempe, and can’t download (or can’t burn) a DVD, let me 
know which exact version of Ubuntu (or derivative - as I say, I use Mint ;-) 
you want, and I’ll burn you a DVD.  You meet me somewhere that isn’t too far 
from where I usually drive anyway, bring a blank DVD, and I’ll trade you.

Now, if you’re worried about keeping that host up to date without an internet 
connection, that’s a bit of a different question.

Generally, everybody today assumes that all hosts have access to the internet.  
Kind of a pain for places where internet access is either behind a really 
badly-designed (cough Microsoft ;-) proxy, or you have no access at all…  (And, 
yes, I speak from experience)

Not having direct internet access is something of a pain for keeping hosts 
updated.  If that’s your issue, it deserves a whole different thread.  For now, 
all I’ll say is: On Mint (and I assume on ANY Linux host using synaptic) you 
can create a download script for whatever packages you want to install, copy 
that script to a place that HAS internet access, run it, copy the downloaded 
files back to that original host, and install (using apt or dpkg).  Updating 
the package lists, however, could be a real issue.  In fact, updating a Mint 
machine without internet access would probably not work, since Mint disabled 
update in synaptic.  (Please, no flames.  Not my decision, and after grokking 
why they did that I’m ok with it.  I probably wouldn’t have done it that way, 
but nobody asked me ;-)

.

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Of Shawn Fratis
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 8:04 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 18.04

You should consider making your own CD. It's pretty simple: go to the Ubuntu 
website and download the .iso for your computer, then burn as an image disc 
(you can right-click from the .iso in Windows to get this function). Burn to 
your CD (you will probably need a blank DVD-R), then restart your machine (you 
might have to tell it to start from the CD drive), and then Ubuntu will talk 
you through the rest.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:56 AM mike enriquez 
mailto:myli...@cox.net>> wrote:
I would like to get a CD to  install Ubuntu 18.04. One site offers 12
CDs of repository files. I know many of you may make your own install
CDs. I don't have the time so where is the best place to purchase these
CDs.  Are that many CDs of repository files necessary?

Help the Novice. Thanks a lot to those who respond.


Mike Enriquez

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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

2018-06-12 Thread Shawn Fratis 
You should consider making your own CD. It's pretty simple: go to the
Ubuntu website and download the .iso for your computer, then burn as an
image disc (you can right-click from the .iso in Windows to get this
function). Burn to your CD (you will probably need a blank DVD-R), then
restart your machine (you might have to tell it to start from the CD
drive), and then Ubuntu will talk you through the rest.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:56 AM mike enriquez  wrote:

> I would like to get a CD to  install Ubuntu 18.04. One site offers 12
> CDs of repository files. I know many of you may make your own install
> CDs. I don't have the time so where is the best place to purchase these
> CDs.  Are that many CDs of repository files necessary?
>
> Help the Novice. Thanks a lot to those who respond.
>
>
> Mike Enriquez
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