Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:37 AM, G Karunakar  wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:00:36 +0530
> Gaurav Pant wrote:
>
> > Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG
> > meet announcement. If others have not recieved the same please
> > notify about the same here.
>
>  I found one of my gmail id getting a bounce notice from list,
> ie. id being unsubscribed due to excessive bounces.
> I think the issue would be with majority folks using gmail ids or
> mail based on it, when new post mail goes out, it apparently hits
> some gmail limit on how many mail a host can send over to google mail
> servers, so it is probably rejecting for some ids, while our mail
> server keeps trying to successfully send to everyone.
>

Just wanted to lend my +1 to this. I am receiving mails from various other
groups that I'm subscribed to as well as PLUG, and yet I got a warning that
mails are bouncing. So, it very well may be the case that list subscribers
didn't actually get the invite. That said, I myself have received the
meeting email :)

-- Ram
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Arun Khan]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Thin Rhino  wrote:
> On 11 October 2015 at 09:00, Gaurav Pant  wrote:
>>
>> Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG meet
>> announcement. If others have not recieved the same please notify about the
>> same here.
>
> Many a times, PLUG mails need to be fished out from the SPAM folder and
> there are times, when I do miss a couple of emails.
>

For this you need to take action since the filter is happening at your end.

If PLUG mail is important to you, then please define a filter to
direct all mails from plug.org.in to your favorite folder/label.  I
have done so and did  receive and read Manjusha's Oct. meeting
announcement;  time stamp Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:53 PM (please see
copy below).

Cheers,
-- Arun Khan



PLUG meeting for Month of October , 2015  will be held on   10th Oct.,
 Saturday at 4pm in SICSR.

Location: SICSR, Atur Centre, Model Colony, Pune
Room No 704   (Room may change but floor will be same), 7th floor

Time: 4:00 pm


Topic :  Demo of Android   apps developed  and used for rural education.

Discussion on CMDA expo.

We can share problems and experience about open source Technology.

All are welcome to attend the meeting.
There is no fee to attend the meeting.

See you there.
-- 
Manjusha S. Joshi


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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Mayuresh]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 01:57:26PM +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
> the Mumbai based.  This year, I have gone through seven interns since
> early summer trying to inculcate a different approach to doing things.
>   To avoid dealing with "baggage" I had selected fresh grads.
> Regrettably  none of them made the cut.  It wasn't access to
> information or lack of coaching but more to do with status quo set by
> their seniors and peers.  It was astonishing that most of them were
> willing to shell out Rs. 50K and above for .Net and JAVA programs from
> the incumbent training institutes.

Sounds very familiar. Very very rarely we come across people with
creativity, willing to learn, do things differently. Majority is just a
trend follower. Following trend is also not a problem, if you know why you
are following it. They just do so because their seniors or elders told so.

I remember interviewing intern who uttered the word "Java" nearly 10 times
in a 2/3 minute conversation emphasizing that she doesn't want
anything else ever. Her sole aim is to code in Java.

I have nothing against Java, but a closed mindset worries me.

Mayuresh
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Arun Khan]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:01 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
 wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:16 AM, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
>> What I meant was that I was under the impression that in 2015, now
>> with people having access to smartphones and all, the access to
>> knowledge is/should not be an issue at least not in colleges in Pune
>> but surprisingly there are still gaps there.  While as a potential
>> facilitator this means there is lots of opportunity for experienced
>> people, it also drives home the point that there is lot of work that
>> needs to be done.
>
> Enhanced/easy means of access is not complemented with optimal
> consumption of the resources provided by such access. The
> encouragement and cultivation of a curious mind is a long walk and if
> you'd want to explore, the nearest anyone has come to doing that is
> with the Durgapur LUG.
>

Very well put and succinct!  I see the same behavioural pattern among
the Mumbai based.  This year, I have gone through seven interns since
early summer trying to inculcate a different approach to doing things.
  To avoid dealing with "baggage" I had selected fresh grads.
Regrettably  none of them made the cut.  It wasn't access to
information or lack of coaching but more to do with status quo set by
their seniors and peers.  It was astonishing that most of them were
willing to shell out Rs. 50K and above for .Net and JAVA programs from
the incumbent training institutes.

@ Sankarshan -- thanks for the ILUG Durgapur reference.

-- Arun Khan
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Vikas Tara]

On 12/10/15 05:18, Thin Rhino wrote:



On 11 October 2015 at 11:12, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay 
> wrote:

>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM, shirish > wrote:
> > we discussed about the immense knowledge gap about FOSS in India 
among other

> > things.
>
> What were the salient points of the discussion?

I have never understood the noise around Linux & Linux! I 
visited their websites and the only thing,
different is screenshots with Indian Languages. Everything else, is 
just the same that comes with Ubuntu or Fedora.

Same old open office, same old GNome / KDE.
Look just a little deeper though - well the message on the homepage - 
the bit that says "more than an operating system"


As I see this, take source code from the web compile it, re-brand it 
and gloat about it is made in/for India etc.


I would rather have you good people spend time & effort in 
distributing Ubuntu or Fedora or any other OS to
people and teach people to write good code using these tools. Who 
cares, what OS you are using?
I care a lot - I want an OS that caters for my needs and I want to run 
it on hardware that I own. For me that's sufficient reason to go to the 
effort of working on the distro.


You want to stop Facebook Zero and all that? Get people to access the 
internet and show them the power of
free and open source, not by distributing some customised copy of 
Linux. But by showing how, the free and

open web and free and open tools, can help them live a better life.

Yeah - we're on the same page here then.

See:

hamara linux on arm with solar
https://twitter.com/hamaralinux/status/527811768643751938

long range wifi
https://twitter.com/hamaralinux/status/566171467055124480
https://twitter.com/hamaralinux/status/566171467055124480

and where the only distro to ship with diaspora. Oh and we host it too:
https://diasp.in/


In 2015, writing / rewriting / re branding an OS is biggest waste of 
time, effort, talent and money.
I beg to differ, we have a lot of people contributing to something here 
that may not have otherwise done so - and we're not just re branding an OS.


You want to spread FOSS, build something like this 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/introducing-the-bbc-micro-bit

and educate people how programming using open source tools can be fun.
Like the schools we are helping with an arm based rpi 2 school room? 
They need out of the box systems running with the packages that satisfy 
the Indian school curriculum. Raise a bug on Ubuntu for that and see 
what happens.

https://twitter.com/hamaralinux/status/576433652873195520

So, as I said, more than an operating system. That's why people spend 
their valuable time on it - and if it feels worthwhile to anyone, then 
that's reason enough.


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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[shirish]

in-line :-

On Monday 12 October 2015 09:48 AM, Thin Rhino wrote:




I have never understood the noise around Linux & Linux! I visited
their websites and the only thing,
different is screenshots with Indian Languages. Everything else, is just
the same that comes with Ubuntu or Fedora.
Same old open office, same old GNome / KDE.

As I see this, take source code from the web compile it, re-brand it and
gloat about it is made in/for India etc.

I would rather have you good people spend time & effort in distributing
Ubuntu or Fedora or any other OS to
people and teach people to write good code using these tools. Who cares,
what OS you are using?


Dear Thin Rhino,

Please don't use euphemisms . If you want to say something about 
somebody put it straight.


I do not agree with you however. Whole lot of people including my own 
self care about which OS we use. If it was going to be just Ubuntu and 
Fedora we might as well as use MS-Windows, as you yourself said who 
cares which OS you are using.


Some established distributions which bought whole lot of things :-

a. Debian - If Debian is/was not there, then Ubuntu wouldn't have been 
there in the first place. There is still whole lot of heavy lifting that 
Debian does that Ubuntu profits from. If Debian would not be there then 
you would have not have Ubuntu in the first place and would have quite a 
bit poorer experience if Debian would cease to exist.


b. Linux Mint - The Mint Installer and quite a few packages that Mint 
bought made it much easier for newbies. It was also a fork.


c. Gentoo, Arch, BSD's all have contributed something or the other.

As you have posted about the Indian contributions or lack of, even if 
just themeing is the improvement, even if agree on that, as far as it 
brings in people who are able to work and use GNU/Linux (no matter what 
parent distribution is underneath ) that's a win-win for both the 
distribution which did that and people who are able to gain or do 
something with it.


Principally, I would not go with Ubuntu simply because of the 
GPL+contrib . It is not a good license and is being used by 
Canonical/Mark in poisoning the waters. I could never understand why 
GPL2 or GPLv3 wasn't good enough for them and they had to bring in 
GPLv2+contrib or GPLv3+contrib and variants.



You want to stop Facebook Zero and all that? Get people to access the
internet and show them the power of
free and open source, not by distributing some customised copy of Linux.
But by showing how, the free and
open web and free and open tools, can help them live a better life.


we are doing that as part of outreach either in individual capacity or 
as part of hamara.



In 2015, writing / rewriting / re branding an OS is biggest waste of time,
effort, talent and money.


Not necessarily. If the idea of GNU/Linux were to some sort of oligopoly 
(where only the chosen few could take part) then GNU/Linux would simply 
fall apart.


The reason it has thrived is because people have their own itch to 
scratch whether it is just making themes or whatever else, it has 
improved and added to GNU/Linux overall.



You want to spread FOSS, build something like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/introducing-the-bbc-micro-bit
and educate people how programming using open source tools can be fun.


While I laud that effort, do you mean to say there is nothing that needs 
to be done on the software front ?


I could at least state a dozen things we need to improve on existing 
tools and toolkits as well as documentation, UI etc.


There is lots and lots of things that need improvement.

Another thing to point, the RPI has limited freedom, the Beaglebone 
Black and few others has much more in terms of freedom.


It would be interesting as and when they come with updated specs as 
right now RPi is king of hill as far as pricing and features are concerned.



Lastly, on the topic of missing e-mails I saw that gmail does miss out 
mails of plug (searched in PLUG, Inbox and Spam) some e-mails are not 
there, whereas if you use a mail client then everything is in order.




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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[G Karunakar]

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:00:36 +0530
Gaurav Pant wrote:

> Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG
> meet announcement. If others have not recieved the same please
> notify about the same here.

 I found one of my gmail id getting a bounce notice from list,
ie. id being unsubscribed due to excessive bounces.
I think the issue would be with majority folks using gmail ids or
mail based on it, when new post mail goes out, it apparently hits
some gmail limit on how many mail a host can send over to google mail
servers, so it is probably rejecting for some ids, while our mail
server keeps trying to successfully send to everyone.

Similar issue was faced by Netneutrality/savetheinternet folks when
they asked ppl to send TRAI response with a cc going to one of their
gmail ids.

Karunakar
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[G Karunakar]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:07:38 +0530
G Karunakar wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:00:36 +0530
> Gaurav Pant wrote:
> 
> > Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG
> > meet announcement. If others have not recieved the same please
> > notify about the same here.
> 
>  I found one of my gmail id getting a bounce notice from list,
> ie. id being unsubscribed due to excessive bounces.
> I think the issue would be with majority folks using gmail ids or
> mail based on it, when new post mail goes out, it apparently hits
> some gmail limit on how many mail a host can send over to google
> mail servers, so it is probably rejecting for some ids, while our
> mail server keeps trying to successfully send to everyone.
> 
> Similar issue was faced by Netneutrality/savetheinternet folks when
> they asked ppl to send TRAI response with a cc going to one of their
> gmail ids.
> 

Though could also be due to DMARC
http://robbat2.livejournal.com/241253.html
only solution seems upgrading mailman!!

Karunakar
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Inkar Nation]

That's how You got saved... :-)

On Sunday 11 Oct 2015 3:04:35 PM Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote:


I have not received confirmation mail but got other mails in the thread.


On Oct 11, 2015 9:01 AM, "Gaurav Pant"  
wrote:


Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG meet 
announcement. If others have not recieved the same please notify about 
the same here.--


Dexter  




On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Mayuresh  
wrote:


On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 09:44:26PM +0530, shirish wrote:> This was 
something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What I/We> 
meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people or 
early> 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.

Nothing to do with age really. More to do with exposure and enthusiasm.

> I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people 
know> about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in 
companies> which use FOSS then you come to know about it.

Not really. There would be many on PLUG list who virtually educated 
theiremployers about FOSS.

> And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they 
are> not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have 
been> told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.

Again nothing to do with age.

FOSS is not that new. Several of 40+ (that includes the most 
celebratedOSS developer in the world, no points for guessing) and even 
60+ (considering the big R's age now, guess the big R of open source if 
youdon't know) and several lesser mortals who were early adopters on 
whoseeffort we stand wherever we do today.

[I do not know a suitable title for this thread. Request to modify thesubject 
suitably.]



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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

I have not received confirmation mail but got other mails in the thread.
On Oct 11, 2015 9:01 AM, "Gaurav Pant"  wrote:

> Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG meet
> announcement. If others have not recieved the same please notify about the
> same here.
> --
> Dexter
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Mayuresh  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 09:44:26PM +0530, shirish wrote:
>> > This was something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What
>> I/We
>> > meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people or
>> early
>> > 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.
>>
>> Nothing to do with age really. More to do with exposure and enthusiasm.
>>
>> > I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people know
>> > about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in
>> companies
>> > which use FOSS then you come to know about it.
>>
>> Not really. There would be many on PLUG list who virtually educated their
>> employers about FOSS.
>>
>> > And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they
>> are
>> > not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have been
>> > told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.
>>
>> Again nothing to do with age.
>>
>> FOSS is not that new. Several of 40+ (that includes the most celebrated
>> OSS developer in the world, no points for guessing) and even 60+ (
>> considering the big R's age now, guess the big R of open source if you
>> don't know) and several lesser mortals who were early adopters on whose
>> effort we stand wherever we do today.
>>
>> [I do not know a suitable title for this thread. Request to modify the
>> subject suitably.]
>>
>> Mayuresh
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Thin Rhino]

On 11 October 2015 at 09:00, Gaurav Pant  wrote:
>
> Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG meet
announcement. If others have not recieved the same please notify about the
same here.

Many a times, PLUG mails need to be fished out from the SPAM folder and
there are times, when I do miss a couple of emails.
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Thin Rhino]

On 11 October 2015 at 11:12, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM, shirish  wrote:
> > we discussed about the immense knowledge gap about FOSS in India among
other
> > things.
>
> What were the salient points of the discussion?

I have never understood the noise around Linux & Linux! I visited
their websites and the only thing,
different is screenshots with Indian Languages. Everything else, is just
the same that comes with Ubuntu or Fedora.
Same old open office, same old GNome / KDE.

As I see this, take source code from the web compile it, re-brand it and
gloat about it is made in/for India etc.

I would rather have you good people spend time & effort in distributing
Ubuntu or Fedora or any other OS to
people and teach people to write good code using these tools. Who cares,
what OS you are using?

You want to stop Facebook Zero and all that? Get people to access the
internet and show them the power of
free and open source, not by distributing some customised copy of Linux.
But by showing how, the free and
open web and free and open tools, can help them live a better life.

In 2015, writing / rewriting / re branding an OS is biggest waste of time,
effort, talent and money.

You want to spread FOSS, build something like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/introducing-the-bbc-micro-bit
and educate people how programming using open source tools can be fun.

Cheers

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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Mayuresh]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 05:16:35AM +0530, shirish ? wrote:
> @ Mayuresh - While I agree that it is nothing to do with age and while
> you hint at Linus and Richard M. Stallman , those two are exceptions
> and all those who have taken it either as a passion or a profession.

Obviously they can't be the "exceptions" as the empire is built with so
many unsung contributors in their or higher age group, who continue to
contribute.

> What I meant was that I was under the impression that in 2015, now
> with people having access to smartphones and all, the access to
> knowledge is/should not be an issue at least not in colleges in Pune
> but surprisingly there are still gaps there.  While as a potential
> facilitator this means there is lots of opportunity for experienced
> people, it also drives home the point that there is lot of work that
> needs to be done.

Agree. There is a big gap in awareness. My perception is, increased
accessibility to information has actually had a counter-effect. Since
there lies an answer, average person is not even taking pains to search or
read it.  Access to information should be converted into and advantage,
instead it is making us lazy. (I do not want to generalize, but this is a
perception I have got about an average college goer in tech streams of
today.)

> While I do not know of any means other than talking and sharing about
> in various workshops but do feel that somehow we have lost the plot
> (in making people aware) and do feel culpable in not doing enough.
> 
> Any ideas what we could do to improve the situation ?

I appreciate sincerity behind those words. I think PLUG is a very good
platform to seek ideas of this kind. I'd suggest you to make a new mail
thread with appropriate subject and I think experienced PLUG members will
definitely contribute.

Mayuresh
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[shirish]

in-line :-

On Saturday 10 October 2015 09:37 PM, G Karunakar wrote:




Well I don't agree that it is a gap.. just that FOSS have become
big and broad to grasp in one hand. So in the FOSS ocean we are all
on different islands/boats.. occasionally (or usually) hopping around.


This was something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What 
I/We meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people 
or early 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.


I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people know 
about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in 
companies which use FOSS then you come to know about it.


And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they 
are not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have 
been told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.



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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[G Karunakar]

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:20:29 +0530
shirish wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> The meeting/meet-up was canceled as unseasonal rains made it hard
> for people to reach the venue. Only I, Raju, Manjusha, Karunakar
> and Akshat were present and we discussed about the immense
> knowledge gap about FOSS in India among other things.
> 

Well I don't agree that it is a gap.. just that FOSS have become
big and broad to grasp in one hand. So in the FOSS ocean we are all
on different islands/boats.. occasionally (or usually) hopping around.

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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Mayuresh]

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 09:44:26PM +0530, shirish wrote:
> This was something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What I/We
> meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people or early
> 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.

Nothing to do with age really. More to do with exposure and enthusiasm.

> I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people know
> about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in companies
> which use FOSS then you come to know about it.

Not really. There would be many on PLUG list who virtually educated their
employers about FOSS.

> And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they are
> not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have been
> told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.

Again nothing to do with age.

FOSS is not that new. Several of 40+ (that includes the most celebrated
OSS developer in the world, no points for guessing) and even 60+ (
considering the big R's age now, guess the big R of open source if you
don't know) and several lesser mortals who were early adopters on whose
effort we stand wherever we do today.

[I do not know a suitable title for this thread. Request to modify the
subject suitably.]

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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Kaustubh Gadkari]

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Gaurav Pant  wrote:

> Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG meet
> announcement. If others have not recieved the same please notify about the
> same here.
>

​I received the meet notification, but not the cancellation email.

​Kaustubh
​

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> Dexter
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Mayuresh  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 09:44:26PM +0530, shirish wrote:
>> > This was something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What
>> I/We
>> > meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people or
>> early
>> > 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.
>>
>> Nothing to do with age really. More to do with exposure and enthusiasm.
>>
>> > I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people know
>> > about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in
>> companies
>> > which use FOSS then you come to know about it.
>>
>> Not really. There would be many on PLUG list who virtually educated their
>> employers about FOSS.
>>
>> > And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they
>> are
>> > not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have been
>> > told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.
>>
>> Again nothing to do with age.
>>
>> FOSS is not that new. Several of 40+ (that includes the most celebrated
>> OSS developer in the world, no points for guessing) and even 60+ (
>> considering the big R's age now, guess the big R of open source if you
>> don't know) and several lesser mortals who were early adopters on whose
>> effort we stand wherever we do today.
>>
>> [I do not know a suitable title for this thread. Request to modify the
>> subject suitably.]
>>
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM, shirish  wrote:
> we discussed about the immense knowledge gap about FOSS in India among other
> things.

What were the salient points of the discussion?


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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Gaurav Pant]

Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG meet
announcement. If others have not recieved the same please notify about the
same here.
--
Dexter

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Mayuresh  wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 09:44:26PM +0530, shirish wrote:
> > This was something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What
> I/We
> > meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people or
> early
> > 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.
>
> Nothing to do with age really. More to do with exposure and enthusiasm.
>
> > I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people know
> > about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in
> companies
> > which use FOSS then you come to know about it.
>
> Not really. There would be many on PLUG list who virtually educated their
> employers about FOSS.
>
> > And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they are
> > not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have been
> > told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.
>
> Again nothing to do with age.
>
> FOSS is not that new. Several of 40+ (that includes the most celebrated
> OSS developer in the world, no points for guessing) and even 60+ (
> considering the big R's age now, guess the big R of open source if you
> don't know) and several lesser mortals who were early adopters on whose
> effort we stand wherever we do today.
>
> [I do not know a suitable title for this thread. Request to modify the
> subject suitably.]
>
> Mayuresh
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[PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[shirish]

Hi all,

The meeting/meet-up was canceled as unseasonal rains made it hard for 
people to reach the venue. Only I, Raju, Manjusha, Karunakar and Akshat 
were present and we discussed about the immense knowledge gap about FOSS 
in India among other things.


Hopefully we would be share about Hamara next month or something (i.e. 
if the rain gods don't disrupt our schedule) . Can't say anything bad 
about rains as Pune and Maharashtra as a whole is reeling under a water 
crisis so any and all rains are welcome even if the costs are events 
such as these, water being a necessity for one and all.


--
Regards,
Shirish Agarwal,
Community Lead,
Hamaralinux.org
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