Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-14 Thread Garrett Bigart 
You might need to install a file system to read the drive. Type the
following into your terminal:

sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> So far I have written a recovery USB and downloaded the 16.04.3 iso.  Win
> 10 lists all the files on the recovery USB, but neither of my Ubuntu
> machines even acknowledge I plugged them in. ??  Not that it matters--I can
> download a Win 10 ISO and use it when I get to the point of installing Vbox
> (I am slow, due to ignorance.)
>
> -Denis
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Tom  wrote:
>
> > My apology for being sloppy 
> > I meant VM and general term for Virtual Machine - regardless if vBox,
> > KVM, Xen or VMware
> > -T
> > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 21:01 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > Tomas,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestion.  I did not know that the recovery  could
> > > be used
> > > for installing in Virtual Box.  (You said VM--I know that VM has a
> > > special
> > > routine for extracting an installed OS for a virtual machine, but was
> > > uncertain about Virtual Box.)
> > >
> > > I am not certain if I will use Win 10--I use Win 2K at present for
> > > two
> > > legacy programs.  And a third might be better with 10.
> > >
> > > -Denis
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Tom 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
> > > > installing linux on the box.
> > > > It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM
> > > > or on
> > > > the laptop when you want to give it away.
> > > > I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
> > > > never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers,
> > > > they
> > > > were always bought by a Linux geek.
> > > > What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
> > > > I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them
> > > > up
> > > > and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
> > > > What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
> > > > Tomas
> > > > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > > > The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> > > > > "yes".
> > > > > Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization
> > > > > should
> > > > > not be
> > > > > possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> > > > >
> > > > > I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> > > > > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-wind
> > > > > ows_
> > > > > install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> > > > > -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> > > > >
> > > > > So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS,
> > > > > then go
> > > > > through the activation as described.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for all the ideas.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Denis
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > > > > > response was
> > > > > > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also
> > > > > > had an
> > > > > > entry
> > > > > > to change the product key, but no existing product key was
> > > > > > shown.
> > > > > >  So I
> > > > > > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > > > > > (tomorrow).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > > > > > -progress.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > > > > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > see whether
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something
> > > > > > > > depending
> > > > > > > > on what
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > says.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > list, so
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04
> > > > > > > > > flash
> > > > > > > > drive.  But
> > > > > > > > > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <
> > > > > > > > > joh...@gmx.com>

Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-14 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
So far I have written a recovery USB and downloaded the 16.04.3 iso.  Win
10 lists all the files on the recovery USB, but neither of my Ubuntu
machines even acknowledge I plugged them in. ??  Not that it matters--I can
download a Win 10 ISO and use it when I get to the point of installing Vbox
(I am slow, due to ignorance.)

-Denis

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Tom  wrote:

> My apology for being sloppy 
> I meant VM and general term for Virtual Machine - regardless if vBox,
> KVM, Xen or VMware
> -T
> On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 21:01 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > Tomas,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion.  I did not know that the recovery  could
> > be used
> > for installing in Virtual Box.  (You said VM--I know that VM has a
> > special
> > routine for extracting an installed OS for a virtual machine, but was
> > uncertain about Virtual Box.)
> >
> > I am not certain if I will use Win 10--I use Win 2K at present for
> > two
> > legacy programs.  And a third might be better with 10.
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Tom 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
> > > installing linux on the box.
> > > It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM
> > > or on
> > > the laptop when you want to give it away.
> > > I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
> > > never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers,
> > > they
> > > were always bought by a Linux geek.
> > > What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
> > > I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them
> > > up
> > > and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
> > > What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
> > > Tomas
> > > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > > The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> > > > "yes".
> > > > Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization
> > > > should
> > > > not be
> > > > possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> > > >
> > > > I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> > > > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-wind
> > > > ows_
> > > > install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> > > > -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> > > >
> > > > So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS,
> > > > then go
> > > > through the activation as described.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the ideas.
> > > >
> > > > -Denis
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > > > > response was
> > > > > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also
> > > > > had an
> > > > > entry
> > > > > to change the product key, but no existing product key was
> > > > > shown.
> > > > >  So I
> > > > > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > > > > (tomorrow).
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > > > > -progress.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > > > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > see whether
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something
> > > > > > > depending
> > > > > > > on what
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > says.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > list, so
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04
> > > > > > > > flash
> > > > > > > drive.  But
> > > > > > > > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <
> > > > > > > > joh...@gmx.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > > > > > > > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not
> > > > > > > > > > boot
> > > > > > > > > > -order
> > > > > > > option
> > > > > > > > > > I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties
> > > > > > > > > > UEFI/legacy
> > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > > than

Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-13 Thread Tom 
My apology for being sloppy 
I meant VM and general term for Virtual Machine - regardless if vBox,
KVM, Xen or VMware
-T
On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 21:01 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> Tomas,
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I did not know that the recovery  could
> be used
> for installing in Virtual Box.  (You said VM--I know that VM has a
> special
> routine for extracting an installed OS for a virtual machine, but was
> uncertain about Virtual Box.)
> 
> I am not certain if I will use Win 10--I use Win 2K at present for
> two
> legacy programs.  And a third might be better with 10.
> 
> -Denis
> 
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Tom 
> wrote:
> 
> > Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
> > installing linux on the box.
> > It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM
> > or on
> > the laptop when you want to give it away.
> > I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
> > never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers,
> > they
> > were always bought by a Linux geek.
> > What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
> > I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them
> > up
> > and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
> > What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
> > Tomas
> > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> > > "yes".
> > > Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization
> > > should
> > > not be
> > > possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> > > 
> > > I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> > > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-wind
> > > ows_
> > > install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> > > -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> > > 
> > > So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS,
> > > then go
> > > through the activation as described.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for all the ideas.
> > > 
> > > -Denis
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > > > response was
> > > > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also
> > > > had an
> > > > entry
> > > > to change the product key, but no existing product key was
> > > > shown.
> > > >  So I
> > > > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > > > (tomorrow).
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may
> > > > > have
> > > > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > > > -progress.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > see whether
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something
> > > > > > depending
> > > > > > on what
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > says.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > list, so
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04
> > > > > > > flash
> > > > > > drive.  But
> > > > > > > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <
> > > > > > > joh...@gmx.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > > > > > > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not
> > > > > > > > > boot
> > > > > > > > > -order
> > > > > > option
> > > > > > > > > I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties
> > > > > > > > > UEFI/legacy
> > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still
> > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > not boot the
> > > > > > > > > CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to
> > > > > > > > > explore
> > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > options.  Ideas?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > the other
> > > > > > (F7)
> > > > > > > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > one to

Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-13 Thread Garrett Bigart 
Ok, cool. Make sure to skip the key activation during instillation. It
probably wont activate then. Install all updates then activate it.

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be "yes".
> Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization should not be
> possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
>
> I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_
> 10-windows_install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-
> virtual-machine/284089e3-af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
>
> So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS, then go
> through the activation as described.
>
> Thanks for all the ideas.
>
> -Denis
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The response
> was
> > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also had an entry
> > to change the product key, but no existing product key was shown.  So I
> > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again (tomorrow).
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
> >> difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive--progress.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to see
> whether
> >>> it
> >>> says activated or not? I might need to do something depending on what
> >>> that
> >>> says.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> >>> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list,
> so
> >>> I
> >>> > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash
> >>> drive.  But
> >>> > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> >>> > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order
> >>> option
> >>> > > >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy
> >>> rather
> >>> > > >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot
> the
> >>> > > >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
> >>> > > >options.  Ideas?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current
> >>> laptop
> >>> > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other
> >>> (F7)
> >>> > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to
> boot
> >>> > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-12 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
Tomas,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I did not know that the recovery  could be used
for installing in Virtual Box.  (You said VM--I know that VM has a special
routine for extracting an installed OS for a virtual machine, but was
uncertain about Virtual Box.)

I am not certain if I will use Win 10--I use Win 2K at present for two
legacy programs.  And a third might be better with 10.

-Denis

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Tom  wrote:

> Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
> installing linux on the box.
> It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM or on
> the laptop when you want to give it away.
> I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
> never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers, they
> were always bought by a Linux geek.
> What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
> I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them up
> and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
> What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
> Tomas
> On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> > "yes".
> > Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization should
> > not be
> > possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> >
> > I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_
> > install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> > -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> >
> > So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS, then go
> > through the activation as described.
> >
> > Thanks for all the ideas.
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > > response was
> > > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also had an
> > > entry
> > > to change the product key, but no existing product key was shown.
> > >  So I
> > > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > > (tomorrow).
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
> > > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > > -progress.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to
> > > > > see whether
> > > > > it
> > > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something depending
> > > > > on what
> > > > > that
> > > > > says.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the
> > > > > > list, so
> > > > > I
> > > > > > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04
> > > > > > flash
> > > > > drive.  But
> > > > > > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <
> > > > > > joh...@gmx.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > > > > > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot
> > > > > > > > -order
> > > > > option
> > > > > > > > I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties
> > > > > > > > UEFI/legacy
> > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did
> > > > > > > > not boot the
> > > > > > > > CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore
> > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > options.  Ideas?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my
> > > > > > > current
> > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and
> > > > > > > the other
> > > > > (F7)
> > > > > > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the
> > > > > > > one to boot
> > > > > > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-12 Thread Tom 
Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
installing linux on the box.
It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM or on
the laptop when you want to give it away.
I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers, they
were always bought by a Linux geek.
What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them up
and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
Tomas
On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> "yes".
> Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization should
> not be
> possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> 
> I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_
> install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> 
> So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS, then go
> through the activation as described.
> 
> Thanks for all the ideas.
> 
> -Denis
> 
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > response was
> > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also had an
> > entry
> > to change the product key, but no existing product key was shown. 
> >  So I
> > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > (tomorrow).
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
> > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > -progress.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to
> > > > see whether
> > > > it
> > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something depending
> > > > on what
> > > > that
> > > > says.
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the
> > > > > list, so
> > > > I
> > > > > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04
> > > > > flash
> > > > drive.  But
> > > > > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <
> > > > > joh...@gmx.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > > > > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot
> > > > > > > -order
> > > > option
> > > > > > > I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties
> > > > > > > UEFI/legacy
> > > > rather
> > > > > > > than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did
> > > > > > > not boot the
> > > > > > > CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > options.  Ideas?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my
> > > > > > current
> > > > laptop
> > > > > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and
> > > > > > the other
> > > > (F7)
> > > > > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the
> > > > > > one to boot
> > > > > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-12 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be "yes".
Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization should not be
possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...

I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3-af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1

So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS, then go
through the activation as described.

Thanks for all the ideas.

-Denis

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The response was
> unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also had an entry
> to change the product key, but no existing product key was shown.  So I
> think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again (tomorrow).
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
>> difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive--progress.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to see whether
>>> it
>>> says activated or not? I might need to do something depending on what
>>> that
>>> says.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
>>> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list, so
>>> I
>>> > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash
>>> drive.  But
>>> > for starters, this will help me check the system.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
>>> > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
>>> > >
>>> > > >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order
>>> option
>>> > > >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy
>>> rather
>>> > > >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
>>> > > >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
>>> > > >options.  Ideas?
>>> > >
>>> > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current
>>> laptop
>>> > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other
>>> (F7)
>>> > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
>>> > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
>>> > > ___
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>>> > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org
>>> > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
>>> > >
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The response was
unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also had an entry
to change the product key, but no existing product key was shown.  So I
think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again (tomorrow).

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
> difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive--progress.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart  wrote:
>
>> Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to see whether
>> it
>> says activated or not? I might need to do something depending on what that
>> says.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
>> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list, so I
>> > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash drive.
>> But
>> > for starters, this will help me check the system.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
>> > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
>> > >
>> > > >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option
>> > > >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather
>> > > >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
>> > > >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
>> > > >options.  Ideas?
>> > >
>> > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current
>> laptop
>> > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other
>> (F7)
>> > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
>> > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
>> > > ___
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>> > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org
>> > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive--progress.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart  wrote:

> Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to see whether it
> says activated or not? I might need to do something depending on what that
> says.
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list, so I
> > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash drive.
> But
> > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> > >
> > > >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option
> > > >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather
> > > >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
> > > >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
> > > >options.  Ideas?
> > >
> > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current laptop
> > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other
> (F7)
> > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
> > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Garrett Bigart 
Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to see whether it
says activated or not? I might need to do something depending on what that
says.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list, so I
> have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash drive.  But
> for starters, this will help me check the system.
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> >
> > >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option
> > >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather
> > >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
> > >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
> > >options.  Ideas?
> >
> > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current laptop
> > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other (F7)
> > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
> > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list, so I
have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash drive.  But
for starters, this will help me check the system.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
>
> >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option
> >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather
> >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
> >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
> >options.  Ideas?
>
> This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current laptop
> there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other (F7)
> gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
> to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
I meant that uefi is disabled because legacy boot in enabled, but I note
that secure boot is also disables.  I do not understand how these two
interact, nor exactly what they mean for that matter.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:33 PM, elcaseti .  wrote:

> When you said UEFI is disabled as well, did you mean Secure Boot is
> disabled?  Or do you mean UEFI is disabled, because legacy boot is enabled?
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 2:19 PM, "Bill Barry"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann  >
> wrote:
>
> > I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not yet
> > activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run this
> > Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a bit
> > tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make sure I
> do
> > not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to backup
> > something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just use the
> > COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped the HD,
> > installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a
> > guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that the
> > machine is functioning properly.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Denis
> > ___
>
>
>
> I have used the instructions here
> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows  to migrate Windows XP to
> Virtualbox, but have not tried it with WIndows 10.  In summary you boot
> into windows and run a script which does some registry magic that makes
> your Disk drivers look very generic. Then you shut down, DD the image,
> convert it the DD'd image to a virtualbox image and boot it.  It sounds
> easy, but it's Windows and every step is fraught with peril.  You should
> also boot into Windows and create a Recovery Drive before you do anything
> else.
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026852/windows-
> create-a-recovery-drive
> After you have a Recovery Drive you might want to shrink your WIndows
> installation. I have done this before with a live linux and GPARTED, but
> Windows has a native way of doing this now which sounds like a better idea
> https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/resize-a-
> partition-for-free-in-windows-vista/
>
> Good luck,
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
I booted it, gave the machine a name, then said skip when it wanted to go
on-line (no internet cable connected to it.)  Then what I expect is the
standard windows desktop was presented.  I expect it will give me some time
before it complains about not being activated.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Garrett Bigart  wrote:

> I don't know if that actually means anything. Have you booted it yet, and
> if so, what does it say?
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This is encouraging.  Thanks for the idea.
> >
> > The (only) instructions that came with the machine were on how to
> register
> > the windows 10.  Also, the COA has a "silver" patch over a portion of the
> > number, with instructions to gently scrape the silver off to expose the
> > full number.  This, to me, implies  that it has not been registered.  Do
> > you agree?
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Garrett Bigart 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Denis,
> > >
> > > Windows 10 license keys become tied to hardware as soon as it's
> > activated,
> > > so if it hasn't been activated, you should be fine with a Windows 10
> ISO,
> > > your COA and VirtualBox. Now, I was under the impression that all
> > prebuilt
> > > PCs came activated, so are you absolutely certain that it isn't
> activated
> > > and where are you getting that information? That may determine how you
> > > should go about doing this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Garrett
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not
> yet
> > >
> > > > > activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run
> > this
> > >
> > > > > Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a
> > bit
> > >
> > > > > tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make
> > sure I
> > > do
> > >
> > > > > not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to
> > > backup
> > >
> > > > > something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just
> use
> > > the
> > >
> > > > > COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped
> the
> > > HD,
> > >
> > > > > installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except
> as a
> > >
> > > > > guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that
> the
> > >
> > > > > machine is functioning properly.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > > > -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Garrett Bigart 
I don't know if that actually means anything. Have you booted it yet, and
if so, what does it say?

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> This is encouraging.  Thanks for the idea.
>
> The (only) instructions that came with the machine were on how to register
> the windows 10.  Also, the COA has a "silver" patch over a portion of the
> number, with instructions to gently scrape the silver off to expose the
> full number.  This, to me, implies  that it has not been registered.  Do
> you agree?
>
> -Denis
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Garrett Bigart  wrote:
>
> > Hey Denis,
> >
> > Windows 10 license keys become tied to hardware as soon as it's
> activated,
> > so if it hasn't been activated, you should be fine with a Windows 10 ISO,
> > your COA and VirtualBox. Now, I was under the impression that all
> prebuilt
> > PCs came activated, so are you absolutely certain that it isn't activated
> > and where are you getting that information? That may determine how you
> > should go about doing this.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Garrett
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com
> > >
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not yet
> >
> > > > activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run
> this
> >
> > > > Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a
> bit
> >
> > > > tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make
> sure I
> > do
> >
> > > > not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to
> > backup
> >
> > > > something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just use
> > the
> >
> > > > COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped the
> > HD,
> >
> > > > installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a
> >
> > > > guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that the
> >
> > > > machine is functioning properly.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Thanks,
> >
> > > > -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
This is encouraging.  Thanks for the idea.

The (only) instructions that came with the machine were on how to register
the windows 10.  Also, the COA has a "silver" patch over a portion of the
number, with instructions to gently scrape the silver off to expose the
full number.  This, to me, implies  that it has not been registered.  Do
you agree?

-Denis

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Garrett Bigart  wrote:

> Hey Denis,
>
> Windows 10 license keys become tied to hardware as soon as it's activated,
> so if it hasn't been activated, you should be fine with a Windows 10 ISO,
> your COA and VirtualBox. Now, I was under the impression that all prebuilt
> PCs came activated, so are you absolutely certain that it isn't activated
> and where are you getting that information? That may determine how you
> should go about doing this.
>
>
> Best,
> Garrett
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann  >
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not yet
>
> > > activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run this
>
> > > Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a bit
>
> > > tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make sure I
> do
>
> > > not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to
> backup
>
> > > something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just use
> the
>
> > > COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped the
> HD,
>
> > > installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a
>
> > > guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that the
>
> > > machine is functioning properly.
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Garrett Bigart 
Hey Denis,

Windows 10 license keys become tied to hardware as soon as it's activated,
so if it hasn't been activated, you should be fine with a Windows 10 ISO,
your COA and VirtualBox. Now, I was under the impression that all prebuilt
PCs came activated, so are you absolutely certain that it isn't activated
and where are you getting that information? That may determine how you
should go about doing this.


Best,
Garrett


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann 

> wrote:

>
> I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not yet

> > activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run this

> > Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a bit

> > tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make sure I
do

> > not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to backup

> > something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just use the

> > COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped the HD,

> > installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a

> > guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that the

> > machine is functioning properly.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread elcaseti . 
When you said UEFI is disabled as well, did you mean Secure Boot is
disabled?  Or do you mean UEFI is disabled, because legacy boot is enabled?

On Aug 10, 2017 2:19 PM, "Bill Barry"  wrote:

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not yet
> activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run this
> Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a bit
> tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make sure I do
> not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to backup
> something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just use the
> COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped the HD,
> installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a
> guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that the
> machine is functioning properly.
>
> Thanks,
> -Denis
> ___



I have used the instructions here
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows  to migrate Windows XP to
Virtualbox, but have not tried it with WIndows 10.  In summary you boot
into windows and run a script which does some registry magic that makes
your Disk drivers look very generic. Then you shut down, DD the image,
convert it the DD'd image to a virtualbox image and boot it.  It sounds
easy, but it's Windows and every step is fraught with peril.  You should
also boot into Windows and create a Recovery Drive before you do anything
else.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026852/windows-
create-a-recovery-drive
After you have a Recovery Drive you might want to shrink your WIndows
installation. I have done this before with a live linux and GPARTED, but
Windows has a native way of doing this now which sounds like a better idea
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/resize-a-
partition-for-free-in-windows-vista/

Good luck,
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Bill Barry 
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> I just purchased a new desktop machine.  It has Windows 10 pro, not yet
> activated.  After installing Ubuntu I would like to be able to run this
> Windows as a guest in VB.  My searching tells me that this can be a bit
> tricky.  I am not in any hurry to migrate.  I first want to make sure I do
> not do anything which will cut off this possibility.  Do I need to backup
> something from the machine before I install Linux, or can I just use the
> COA sticker to get what I need from Microsoft after I have wiped the HD,
> installed Ubuntu and VB?  I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a
> guest) on the machine other than to initially ensure myself that the
> machine is functioning properly.
>
> Thanks,
> -Denis
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I have used the instructions here
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows  to migrate Windows XP to
Virtualbox, but have not tried it with WIndows 10.  In summary you boot
into windows and run a script which does some registry magic that makes
your Disk drivers look very generic. Then you shut down, DD the image,
convert it the DD'd image to a virtualbox image and boot it.  It sounds
easy, but it's Windows and every step is fraught with peril.  You should
also boot into Windows and create a Recovery Drive before you do anything
else.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026852/windows-create-a-recovery-drive
After you have a Recovery Drive you might want to shrink your WIndows
installation. I have done this before with a live linux and GPARTED, but
Windows has a native way of doing this now which sounds like a better idea
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/resize-a-partition-for-free-in-windows-vista/

Good luck,
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-10 Thread Chuck Hast 
I did a M92 about 4 years ago, put Ubuntu on it for a church. They use it
to control a very large screen, and to run audio and video. I did not have
any issues with the install that I can remember, it has been a while since I
did it so it is pretty hazy. Even set it up with Compiz so they could have
multiple desktops and just flip the screen around (kids loved the cube).


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:00 AM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
>
> >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option
> >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather
> >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
> >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
> >options.  Ideas?
>
> This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current laptop
> there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other (F7)
> gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
> to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-09 Thread John Jason Jordan 
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
Denis Heidtmann  dijo:

>I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option
>I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather
>than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the
>CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
>options.  Ideas?

This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current laptop
there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other (F7)
gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to boot
to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-09 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order option I am
accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy rather than
CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot the CD.  UEFI is
disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other options.  Ideas?

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> Good idea.  I tried that.  I need to figure out how to get the machine to
> look at the CD drive. It is a Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P (refurbished).
>
> -Denis
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>>
>> > I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a guest) on the machine other
>> > than to initially ensure myself that the machine is functioning
>> properly.
>>
>> Denis,
>>
>>I cannot answer your other questions but I can suggest you use a live
>> linux disk or flash drive to test the machine's functions. That'll also
>> tell
>> you if there are linux issues to be resolved later.
>>
>> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-09 Thread Vedanta Teacher 
I must be getting old & cautious... I've started
researching compatibility issues as much as I
can before purchase.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> I found this from a 2013 posting:
> Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p only boots Windows or Redhat. Hard coded into UEFI.
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=MTIyOTg
> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html?thread=774619
>
> If true, I may have to return this machine.
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann  >
> wrote:
>
> > Good idea.  I tried that.  I need to figure out how to get the machine to
> > look at the CD drive. It is a Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P (refurbished).
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rich Shepard 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a guest) on the machine
> other
> >> > than to initially ensure myself that the machine is functioning
> >> properly.
> >>
> >> Denis,
> >>
> >>I cannot answer your other questions but I can suggest you use a live
> >> linux disk or flash drive to test the machine's functions. That'll also
> >> tell
> >> you if there are linux issues to be resolved later.
> >>
> >> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-09 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
I found this from a 2013 posting:
Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p only boots Windows or Redhat. Hard coded into UEFI.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=MTIyOTg
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html?thread=774619

If true, I may have to return this machine.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> Good idea.  I tried that.  I need to figure out how to get the machine to
> look at the CD drive. It is a Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P (refurbished).
>
> -Denis
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>>
>> > I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a guest) on the machine other
>> > than to initially ensure myself that the machine is functioning
>> properly.
>>
>> Denis,
>>
>>I cannot answer your other questions but I can suggest you use a live
>> linux disk or flash drive to test the machine's functions. That'll also
>> tell
>> you if there are linux issues to be resolved later.
>>
>> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-09 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:

> Good idea.  I tried that.  I need to figure out how to get the machine to
> look at the CD drive. It is a Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P (refurbished).

Denis,

   Often, pressing F12 while the system goes through its POST will bring up
the BIOS interface. In there you can change the order in which the kernel
looks for a boot kernel, Placing the optical drive and usb ports before the
internal hard drive allows you booting options.

Regards,

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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-09 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
Good idea.  I tried that.  I need to figure out how to get the machine to
look at the CD drive. It is a Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P (refurbished).

-Denis

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>
> > I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a guest) on the machine other
> > than to initially ensure myself that the machine is functioning properly.
>
> Denis,
>
>I cannot answer your other questions but I can suggest you use a live
> linux disk or flash drive to test the machine's functions. That'll also
> tell
> you if there are linux issues to be resolved later.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

2017-08-09 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:

> I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a guest) on the machine other
> than to initially ensure myself that the machine is functioning properly.

Denis,

   I cannot answer your other questions but I can suggest you use a live
linux disk or flash drive to test the machine's functions. That'll also tell
you if there are linux issues to be resolved later.

Rich

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