Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Use inguz to boost Bolder modded SB3 output?
Go into the Inguz .config file. You'll find the default gain setting at -16, and by increasing this value in small increments (1 or 2 at a time) you could increase output. It's not a completely free lunch however, as clipping will be a concern and this sounds horrible. Pay attention to the log.txt file, and any clipping will be registered there. Good Luck -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75230 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Use inguz to boost Bolder modded SB3 output?
Excellent! Just monitor your log.txt file periodically and note any ocurrences of clipping. You may yet find that a bit of gain reduction is necessary.Better still, if you could get a test CD with some 0db noise you could set your gain quite accurately. If you aren't clipping with that...you never will. Perhaps somebody here has a test file they could send you.??? I'm glad it worked out for you.This is the only free improvement you will ever receive in audio. ;) Best Regards. -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75230 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz/DRC or Hardware solution?
They're practically giving that stuff away... ;);) A DEQ2496 will be here in a few days to play with, and I'll put it in my TPs effects loop via TOSlink. Sean has suggested in the past to avoid AES/EBU connection although I do have appropriate cables to allow that as well. Its worth a shot anyway. :) -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74852 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz/DRC or Hardware solution?
Thanks Toby...I'll take a look at the DRC mailing list. As for the attentuation issue, it really seems to only manifest itself as a problem when DRC is active. As stated earlier, this then requires me to reduce the gain in the Inguz config files to -21 or -22 just to miminize (not eliminate) the clipping. Conversely, when Inguz EQ (only) is runningI can stay at the default -16, and even with some crazy boosts and cuts (just to see what happens) the clipping issue is rarely recorded in the log file. Looking at the correction .wav file used by DRC, there is really only one bad spot to contend with (a large peak at 51hz).It would seem that since the DRC then tries to reduce gain at this frequency...clipping would be the least of my worries. Apparentlysomething else is going on that causes the global gain of the total DRC process to be much higher that I think... Interesting!! I hope that the hardware will allow me to do a bit of strategic sculpting in the range below 300hz or so. Just trimming down some peaks mind you...not trying to fill in any 100db nulls. ;) Thanks again for the inputs!! I appreciate your suggestions! Curt -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74852 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz/DRC or Hardware solution?
Thanks Richard. I took a look at the Acourate website, and they do have a 30 day trial of a limited version of their system.The normal version still carries the $500 price tag from what I gather. Couldn't hurt the try the free one...if/when I can work up the courage to take on another piece of software with a near-vertical learning curve. ;) Has anyone had good results with Denis S's DRC V3.0? Version 3.1 was a bust for me. I might give that a whirl next if it's worth the effort. I see some great potential for the DRC systems available, and if nothing else, the education one gets from the experimentation is valuable. Having a better understanding of what happens when sound emanates into a room will always move one closer to having the best sound possible in a given space...DRC or not. The saga continues -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74852 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz/DRC or Hardware solution?
Thank you for the inputs. I've read a bit about the Audyssey system, and it seems that it is only offered through professional installers. Given that I can't even get the repairman to fix the leak in my wash machine, it's only fair to say that I'm a bit gun shy regarding professionals. ;) (Never mind the sense of shame I'd feel having to PAY someone to smooth out my room response) A bit disappointing in a way. The basic Inguz package works really well, and seems totally transparent. If there were a limitation, it is the octave band equalization that perhaps paints the bass region with a rather broad brush. Not a fault of Hugh's offering.that's how octave band eq works. DRC has a certain appeal, but sends the system into clipping with certain CDs thus requiring the Inguz config file gain be set to exceedingly low levels. Great for late, late, late night listeningwhen you don't want ANYONE to hear the music. Including yourself. It'd be nice to see what DRC would do if I could limit the band in which it operates. Perhaps limit it to 1000hz or less. Some people claim to do this, but I haven't a clue how.Nobody ever explains that part. The hardware solution, at least in the case of the Behringer has it's own appeal.I can keep it in the Transporter's effects loop,totally in the digital realm, and it works with all source material. Streaming or otherwise. Further, it isn't vulnerable to being rendered inop by the next Squeezecenter version. It might be worth a shot to at least TRY the hardware option. I can always unhook it if I'm unsatisfied.Given that the DEQ costs about the same as 12 of exotic AC power cord...I could absorb the hit if it comes right down to it. :):):) I appreciate the comments thus far, and I hope some more folks will chime in with their ideas, and how THEY did it. Always willing to listen Thanks! -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74852 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz/DRC or Hardware solution?
Thank you for the inputs. I've read a bit about the Audyssey system, and it seems that it is only offered through professional installers. Given that I can't even get the repairman to fix the leak in my wash machine, it's only fair to say that I'm a bit gun shy regarding professionals. ;) (Never mind the sense of shame I'd feel having to PAY someone to smooth out my room response) A bit disappointing in a way. The basic Inguz package works really well, and seems totally transparent. If there were a limitation, it is the octave band equalization that perhaps paints the bass region with a rather broad brush. Not a fault of Hugh's offering.that's how octave band eq works. DRC has a certain appeal, but sends the system into clipping with certain CDs thus requiring the Inguz config file gain be set to exceedingly low levels. Great for late, late, late night listeningwhen you don't want ANYONE to hear the music. Including yourself. It'd be nice to see what DRC would do if I could limit the band in which it operates. Perhaps limit it to 1000hz or less. Some people claim to do this, but I haven't a clue how.Nobody ever explains that part. The hardware solution, at least in the case of the Behringer has it's own appeal.I can keep it in the Transporter's effects loop,totally in the digital realm, and it works with all source material. Streaming or otherwise. Further, it isn't vulnerable to being rendered inop by the next Squeezecenter version. It might be worth a shot to at least TRY the hardware option. I can always unhook it if I'm unsatisfied.Given that the DEQ costs about the same as 12 of exotic AC power cord...I could absorb the hit if it comes right down to it. :):):) I appreciate the comments thus far, and I hope some more folks will chime in with their ideas, and how THEY did it. Always willing to listen Thanks! -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74852 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz/DRC or Hardware solution?
Maybe I'm not in the right forum for this, but I'll try anyway! I've spent the last several weeks experimenting with the Inguz DRC for room correction. (Many thanks to member Merlinwerks for his guidance, and endless patience!!) Nonetheless, I was completely unsatisfied with the results obtained with version 3.1 of DRC (a noticeable recessed, dry hollow sound). Using DRC 2.6.2 gave a much better result, and I really felt as though the bass mid-bass regions were better defined, etc. I spent quite a lot of time positioning my speakers/subs for a decent, albeit not perfect response in my room. And yes, there are a number of sound treatment panels dispersed about the room as well to help with first reflection points, etc. A problem arises with signal clipping which has required me to reduce the gain in the Inguz config file to -21 or -22 to avoid clipping. Fine for THOSE specific CDs, but most others then playback at astonishingly low levels. That's not really satisfactory either. Further, the Inguz/DRC does not work with WMA lossless files, nor is it of any use when streaming audio from Rhapsody during casual listening. I guess my question is: Is there a way through this? Oris a hardware solution perhaps a better idea? The Behringer DEQ2496 inserted in my Transporter's digital effects loop would seemingly perform many of the same functions, AND work with whichever source I choosenot just that music which is stored on my computer in .WAV or FLAC format. I can't write the check for a Lyngdorf, or any other $5K+ solution, nor would I want to when all I want is a bit of targeted adjustment in the bass mid-bass range. A $300 Behringer seems like a reasonable alternative, and perhaps even more so when used strictly in the digital domain. What say you? I would appreciate any guidance the folks here might have to offer. If I can do it all with Inguz/DRCthat's great. If not, I'm open to alternatives. Many thanks in advance for your insights... Curt962 -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74852 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz/DRC or Hardware solution?
Thanks for the reply.No, I have not tried Proxied Streaming on my TS set up. In all honesty...I don't even know what that does. It'd be nice to at least have my Inguz working on streaming audio. That experiment will have to wait several days, as I'm on the opposite side of the countryfar far away from my audio system. -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74852 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz and 7.4
Per Matt B's suggestion, I reloaded the Inguz EQ DSP files. As it turns out, I was already running Inguz Ver. 09.32 when things decided to stop on 1/05. I've checked everything, including the Skarpa edits, and all appears to be in order. Here's a short snippet from my log.txt file: 20100105213633: InguzDSP (version 0.9.32) -id 00:04:20:10:0f:08 -wav -wavo -d 24 20100105213633: 00:04:20:10:0f:08 Gain -16 dB 20100105213633: 00:04:20:10:0f:08 Impulse (null), matrix (null) 20100105213633: 00:04:20:10:0f:08 EQ0020582F26 20100105213633: 00:04:20:10:0f:08 24/88200 PCM = 24/88200 PCM TRIANGULAR, gain -16 dB 20100108200113: InguzDSP (version 0.9.32) 20100108200113: -id must be specified. As you can see, all was running fine until 1/05.All I get today (1/08) is the log file that says -id must be specified. Now I'm lost. Any help I can get is appreciated. Curt -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68618 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz and 7.4
Hmmm. My Inguz EQ stopped working. Last log file written was on 1/05 and I just noticed it wasn't functioning today.I have the displays, but no function.All was working fine until then. Bummer. What happened here?? Can anyone give some insights?? Thanks -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68618 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz and 7.4
I'm stuck!I've edited the Inguz EQ text per the instructions in post 39, enabled everything and I have nothing. The EQ screen appears on my transporter, all seems well...but still NO effect on the sound. Vista/SC 7.4.2 is the set up. Can anyone enlighten me?? Thanks! -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68618 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz and 7.4
I'd be one to add my name to the list of those petitioning Logitech for the inclusion of some basic EQ functions to the devices affected. I paid a lot of money for my Transporter (as did you), and I like it immensely, but curiously, such seemingly easily implemented capabilities such as EQ/BALANCE are omitted...leaving unsupported 3rd party software to do the grunt work for us. Logitechsh1tcan the newest Facebook app update, and give me something that improves my listening.That's what I paid for. Please. -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68618 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz and 7.4
miklorsmith;476964 Wrote: From a hardcore audiophile perspective, this is probably THE MOST IMPORTANT PLUGIN OF ALL. Period, bar none. Agreed 100%.LogitechPLEASE LISTEN!! -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68618 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz and 7.4
I hope this thread doesn't die. I am really hoping somebody has a fix for Inguz with SC 7.4. Thanks in advance!! -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68618 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Inguz and 7.4
You don't suffer alone Miklorsmith My Vista/7.4/Inguz set up works perfectly on the display and the remote...except it doesn't do anything to the sound. GeezALL I wanted was a tweak of balance correction... I can do very well without a facebook app on my Transporterwhy wont Logitech put some simple eq/balance controls on the next SC update??? -- Curt962 Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68618 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
