Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
john greenwood wrote: > I have a Hi-Fi subscription to Tidal. My understanding is that the > LMS/Tidal Plug-In does not support MQA. (Please correct me if Im > wrong.) That's my understanding, as well, where I in this thread wish to explore some other options to get higher resolution audio than 44.1/16 from Tidal via LMS. I am not certain whether the 44.1/16 carries the MQA or not, which maybe could be unfolded with an external DAC, a plugin or by other means, nor whether this somehow deteriorates the audio quality of the 44.1/16 files. But from the last time I checked, the LMS/Tidal Plug-In did not unfold/decode MQA, it only outputted 44.1/16. There are too many threads about this topic to follow, and I have unfortunately not seen any updates to the subject, e.g.: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106754-MQA-via-Tidal=tidal Br, Vegard last.fm/user/vegarlu Vegz78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
Couldnt decide whether to stat a new thread. I have a Hi-Fi subscription to Tidal. My understanding is that the LMS/Tidal Plug-In does not support MQA. (Please correct me if Im wrong.) In the past, my presumption has always been when I used LMS to play Tidal, I was getting a CD Quality stream (if available). But I now notice that there are fewer and fewer standard 44.1/16 (non MQA) titles to stream. On another forum, a poster said that what a Tidal/LMS user would now get s a truncated version of the 16 bits with the bits used for MQA simply ignored. I decided I would probably get a more definitive answer here. By the way, I have nothing inherently against MQA. When it was introduced, I did a comparison with normal 44.1/16 and found that in some cases I preferred one; in other cases the other. But I would not be happy if I discovered in almost all cases I was getting 44.1/13. john greenwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
Hi, Does anyone have a clue if this unofficial KODI tidal plugin could be ported/modified to a hi-res local LMS plugin?: It states "lossless" capability, but often this means just being able to play lossless 16/44,1... https://github.com/arnesongit/plugin.audio.tidal2 https://github.com/arnesongit/kodi-tidal Br, Vegard Vegz78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
bpa wrote: > Wireshark or similar Thx, bpa! d6jg wrote: > As we are talking Windows have you tried Stream What Your Hear? It will > take any audio from your PC and stream it as mp3 or PCM - your choice - > and you Tune in URL on LMS. > No metadata obviously but can run on any Windows PC on the network not > necessarily the server. > As to Remote Control . what about FLIRC Hi d6jg, Thanks for your contribution! As you say, Stream What You Hear would solve another convenience, by not having Tidal on the same machine as the LMS server. But their F.A.Q. section mentions "...MP3 or PCM/L16" and I haven't found anything about support for higher resolution audio streaming, which is the topic in this thread. Do you know if it's possible to convey 24/96kHz and above through SWYH? I also checked out Flirc and didn't get how that would allow interactive/2-way remote control of Tidal, with browsing of playlists, searching songs etc. Could you provide a spesific link/use case, please? Br, Vegard Vegz78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
As we are talking Windows have you tried Stream What Your Hear? It will take any audio from your PC and stream it as mp3 or PCM - your choice - and you Tune in URL on LMS. No metadata obviously but can run on any Windows PC on the network not necessarily the server. As to Remote Control . what about FLIRC VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
Vegz78 wrote: > And how would one go about to pick apart the official Tidal desktop app > like you suggest with network traffic etc.? Wireshark or similar bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
bpa wrote: > I didn't look in great detail but anything other than 1 seems very > complicated. > > If HiRes MQA stream can play on Windows - I would look at network > traffic to find ways to do the same on LMS and cut out all the VAC & > remote control stuff - my gut feel a quick initial investigation will > tell if it is possible and if so then will be less work than remote > control. My experience of remote controls via a relay has never been > good. Nice input, bpa! Im trying to collect all good ideas here for Tidal hi-res on LMS/Squeezeboxes, so we maybe can achieve something good and well thought through together. I totally agree that solutions around point 1, would really be the best and easiest for us all to use and maintain, at least. But maybe more complicated to build? And how would one go about to pick apart the official Tidal desktop app like you suggest with network traffic etc.? At the moment, though maybe not the best or sexy, Im exploring ways to get further 2-ways operation of the Tidal desktop app with WaveInput through Unified remote. Ive found some promising work on wrappers/api for Tidal, where maybe a generic node.js based web app for the phone or iPeng browser to remote control The Tidal PC app could work? It would also have application outside LMS and maybe up for grasp inside my current domain of skills. Is this a way forward, in the shorter term for solutions in the spirit of point 2, and maybe of future benefit for solutions á la point 2? Br, Vegard Vegz78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
left channel wrote: > I have one other suggestion, not exactly what you want, but it works for > me. > Great! I want any suggestions in this thread on how to comfortably get Tidal hifi sound to a DAC/amp and preferably through LMS/Squeezebox players! left channel wrote: > I use a fanless PC as a source for my best audio system. I primarily run > Squeezelite-X, but also have the official Tidal and Qobuz apps for > Windows installed there. Video from the PC is connected separately from > the audio, via HDMI through my preamp to a TV, while the audio is > connected via an unprocessed analog path only. > > Although I can control Squeezlite-X via iOS, Android, or a laptop > without the TV, for the official Tidal and Qobuz I use a wireless > Logitech K400 keyboard while looking at the TV. This is the only way I > can get MQA from Tidal or all the written content on Qobuz in addition > to their lovely Hi-Res music. Thanks for your input, left channel! Personally, I prefer high WAF with only my SBT visible and 'gruvi'n' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108498-Announce-GRUVI-generate-random-URLs_for-viewing-images=) family pictures to compensate for my oversized speakers in the living room, and controll everything from a phone and not needing to crank up a PC or TV just to play (hi-res)music... But this could indeed be a great suggestion for others or in the future, thanks! -If understand you correctly here and from other posts, Squeezelite-X(great app just installed on my laptop and Win server, by the way!) here can give you headless operation with hi-res, and even MQA, playback from local files and Qobuz, but you have to use the TV and the Tidal offical desktop application to achieve this from Tidal streams?- left channel wrote: > ...in addition to those in my previous replies across the other threads. Please also include here your suggestions in your previous replies across the other threads, as long as they are relevant to the thread subject/goal! I'm hoping the thread will become a nice collection for various solutions, ideas and maybe an inspiration for developing new solutions! Br, Vegard Vegz78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
left channel wrote: > I have one further suggestion in addition to those in my previous > replies across the other threads. Thanks for your input, left channel! I'll check it out as soon as I can. Please also include here your suggestions in your previous replies across the other threads, as long as they are relevant to the thread subject/goal! I'm hoping the thread will become a nice collection for various solutions, ideas and maybe an inspiration for developing new solutions! Br, Vegard Vegz78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
I have one further suggestion in addition to those in my previous replies across the other threads. I use a fanless PC as a source for my best audio system. I primarily run Squeezelite-X, but also have the official Tidal and Qobuz apps for Windows installed there. Video from the PC is connected separately from the audio, via HDMI through my preamp to a TV, while the audio is connected via an unprocessed analog path only. Although I can control Squeezlite-X via iOS, Android, or a laptop without the TV, for the official Tidal and Qobuz I use a wireless Logitech K400 keyboard while looking at the TV. This is the only way I can get MQA from Tidal or all the written content on Qobuz in addition to their lovely Hi-Res music. LMS: SGC microJukebox running Sonicorbiter OS Control apps: Squeezelite-X on Win 10; Squeezer or Material web app on Android Players: Duet, Touch (two), Mac SqueezePlay, Win Squeezelite-X on laptop and HTPC left channel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67918 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
Hi, I managed to remote control from my iPhone the Tidal PC app running on the LMS server machine and streaming 24/192 through WaveInput/sox with the help of Unified Remote and ronCYA's nice unified remote plugin with just editing of the Tidal executable path in the remote.lua script. https://github.com/ronCYA/UR-Tidal But, unfortunately it doesn't allow for remote control of the Tidal PC app in "headless" mode, with advanced search functionality and playlist selections on the phone, only basic play, skip, stop, volume, shuffle etc. Does anyone have som nice tips for real interactive remote controlling the official Tidal PC player application from an iPhone/iPad? Br, Vegard Vegz78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110959 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Master/high resolution Tidal streaming etc. with remote/integrated control
...plugin, testet with success on LMS server 7.9.+ on Windows 10.
Thanks to @pbjbryan and @bpa for the WaveInput pluging, which is still
working for ever new applications, and for support!
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/WaveInput_plugin
The problem was that the default wavin2cmd.exe transcoder bundled with
WaveInput plugin didn't work with 24bit files without producing white
noise and stuttering. The solution was to use the sox.exe transcoder
instead, which also comes with the LMS server for Windows.
Here's a short write up on how to get it to work, based on the last
couple of days with great support from @bpa:
1. Install, set up and start a virtual audio cable(VB, VAC etc.) with
24/96 between the provided virtual playback and recording devices, or
set up "stereo mix" in a similar way if your soundcard comes and works
with this.
2. Make sure that the virtual playback and recording devices are both
set up with the same 24/96 under "Advanced" in their properties pages
from the old Windows control panel, and that all check boxes for
exclusive modes are empty.
3. Edit and save the
C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins\Plugins\WaveInput\custom-convert.conf
to the following, where the changed line is highlighted in blue and
red:
Code:
wavin pcm * *
# R
[wavin2cmd] -o $FILE$
wavin flc * *
# R
[sox] -q -r 96000 -b 24 -t waveaudio 2 -t flac -
wavin mp3 * *
# RB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[wavin2cmd] -o $FILE$ | [lame] -r -s 44.1 --silent -q $QUALITY$ -v
$BITRATE$ - -
Remember that the device number in red is the same as the output of the
C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins\Plugins\WaveInput\wavein2cmd.exe
-l subtracted by one, where my virtual recording device is 3 -1 = 2. You
may have a different number for the correct device.
4. Restart the LMS server
5. Make a favorite entry with the text "wavin:2", where 2 is an
arbitrary number, as the correct recording device now is hardcoded into
custom-convert.conf.
6. Start Tidal or any other audio application or source on the chosen
recording device. Make sure to select MQA/Master/Hi-Res mode and the
virtual playback devices as the output device in the audio application.
7. Start playback of the new favorite entry on your Squeezebox player.
For Tidal the "Master" icon should light up in the application on
supported audiotracks, and the 96kHz diodes should light up on your
supported DACs/Amplifiers. For Tidal the audio path should now
(theoretically)be 24bit/96 all the way and feed the extra
quality/information uninterrupted to your speakers, lik this:
Tidal Master unfolding(or any other audio source) to 24/96 -> VAC
playback device 24/96 -> VAC recording device 24/96 -> Waveinput/sox
24/96 -> Squeezebox Touch 24/96 -> DAC/Amp 24/96(or analog)
UPDATE 2019.09.11: No need to set up any higher bitrate chain than 24/96
for Tidal, as I've come to learn that the Tidal PC app currently only
provides MQA 1st unfold at 24/88,2-96 bitrates:
https://www.mqa.co.uk/how-it-works
It should work in the same way, though, with higher bitrate audio chains
for other and higher bitrate inputs than Tidal specifically.
Note that:
1. The bit streams over the networks starts get big on higher bit rates
and depths(3-4Mpbs for 24/96) and might be a challange for wireless or
older network equipment
2. There are a couple of seconds delay from song start or skip in the
Tidal app until sound plays from your speakers
3. The Tidal app on the Windows server PC cannot yet, to my knowledge,
be easily remote controllet from the phone/LMS-server etc. like Spotify
connetct etc.
Enjoy Tidal(or other) hi-res audio on your supported Squeezebox players
and please contribute with better and more convenient ways to achieve
playback and/or remote control of Tidal(or other) hi-res services on
this thread, if you have any good and working solutions!:
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106751-Tidal-Master-High-resolution=950178=1#post950178
Br,
Vegard
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