Re: [pmwiki-devel] current font sizes
I think it is unfortunate that we have reverted a change to PmWiki that arguably fixed a bug in PmWiki,css (mixing fixed and variable font-sizes) on unsubstantiated evidence (apologies V Krishn - but without screen shots and browser versions it is difficult to verify your claim). This seems to be indicating a precedent that not changing the way PmWiki looks is of higher importance that fixing bugs, my 2¢. Simon On 13 January 2014 08:10, V.Krishn vkris...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, January 13, 2014 05:44:25 AM Petko Yotov wrote: Patrick R. Michaud writes: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:38:53AM +1300, Simon wrote: I would be reluctant to see this changed back. I consider it more problematical having a mixture of fixed and variable width spacing for font-size (the only CSS attribute we are discussing here). IMO, it's definitely more problematical for a PmWiki upgrade to do things that break existing sites. I have reverted the changes in the pmwiki.css file and released 2.2.60. Since there's a way to get to the desired result (improved CSS for new sites, easy for existing sites to switch to the cleaner design if desired) by simply including a new skin (or even just an improved CSS file) in the distribution, we should do that. If we add a new skin or even a new css file, in the same logic we shouldn't change it later. For that reason, before adding it to the core, let's agree on what it should contain. Besides font-size units, any other changes that are required (tableless? RWD?). If improved CSS, responsive design... etc are being considered, can we start with pmwiki-exp skin and add features gradually. This could well become pmwiki3 skin. -- Regards. V.Krishn ___ pmwiki-devel mailing list pmwiki-devel@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-devel -- http://kiwiwiki.co.nz ___ pmwiki-devel mailing list pmwiki-devel@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-devel
Re: [pmwiki-devel] current font sizes
Correction, browser versions were supplied, I meant to say without screen shots with browser versions . And knowing which OS may be useful too. ta Simon On 28 January 2014 21:18, Simon nzsk...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is unfortunate that we have reverted a change to PmWiki that arguably fixed a bug in PmWiki,css (mixing fixed and variable font-sizes) on unsubstantiated evidence (apologies V Krishn - but without screen shots and browser versions it is difficult to verify your claim). This seems to be indicating a precedent that not changing the way PmWiki looks is of higher importance that fixing bugs, my 2¢. Simon On 13 January 2014 08:10, V.Krishn vkris...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, January 13, 2014 05:44:25 AM Petko Yotov wrote: Patrick R. Michaud writes: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:38:53AM +1300, Simon wrote: I would be reluctant to see this changed back. I consider it more problematical having a mixture of fixed and variable width spacing for font-size (the only CSS attribute we are discussing here). IMO, it's definitely more problematical for a PmWiki upgrade to do things that break existing sites. I have reverted the changes in the pmwiki.css file and released 2.2.60. Since there's a way to get to the desired result (improved CSS for new sites, easy for existing sites to switch to the cleaner design if desired) by simply including a new skin (or even just an improved CSS file) in the distribution, we should do that. If we add a new skin or even a new css file, in the same logic we shouldn't change it later. For that reason, before adding it to the core, let's agree on what it should contain. Besides font-size units, any other changes that are required (tableless? RWD?). If improved CSS, responsive design... etc are being considered, can we start with pmwiki-exp skin and add features gradually. This could well become pmwiki3 skin. -- Regards. V.Krishn ___ pmwiki-devel mailing list pmwiki-devel@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-devel -- http://kiwiwiki.co.nz -- http://kiwiwiki.co.nz ___ pmwiki-devel mailing list pmwiki-devel@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-devel
Re: [pmwiki-devel] current font sizes
Simon writes: I think it is unfortunate that we have reverted a change to PmWiki that arguably fixed a bug in PmWiki,css (mixing fixed and variable font-sizes) on unsubstantiated evidence (apologies V Krishn - but without screen shots and browser versions it is difficult to verify your claim). This seems to be indicating a precedent that not changing the way PmWiki looks is of higher importance that fixing bugs, my 2¢. Sorry. Using valid CSS units is not a bug. The pmwiki.css file is valid CSS and contains no bugs, see: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F %2Fwww.pmwiki.org%2Fpmwiki%2Fpub%2Fskins%2Fpmwiki%2Fpmwiki.css No error found If the units bother you so much, it is very easy to create your own skin, or use one from the cookbook. Very few of the sites listed at PmWikiUsers or SuccessStories use the default skin, maybe for a reason. Also, if the two versions look exactly the same to you and me, the change didn't change anything and was unnecessary. :-) It is really possible that some users experience change in the sizes. A browser respecting the CSS standard to the letter, must display the 11pt font sizes exactly 11/72 of an inch or 3.88 millimeters regardless of the screen size (smartphone or full wall projection screen) or the zoom level selected by the user. It appears that for (your and my) current browsers, readability and confort for the user is of higher importance than the respect of the standard, so they display it at 11/12 of the default size for that screen and for the selected zoom level. Petko ___ pmwiki-devel mailing list pmwiki-devel@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-devel
