Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-08 Thread Gaar
See what I mean ;-) On Oct 7, 8:18 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 7, 6:40 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How so, oh mighty economic guru, when I am the only one who predicted the magnitude of this recession... Actually, you predict the fall of Capitalism, not

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread Lone Wolf
Gaar, the big picture isthe fat lady is singing and there isn't a thing you can do about it. On Oct 7, 12:55 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 5:30 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft to the rescue! You were the one attempting to say they were going

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread Gaar
Frank, The fact is there are many things being done, and Fat Ladies Sing all the time... Funny, no Revolution outside. What are you waiting for? On Oct 6, 11:14 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gaar, the big picture isthe fat lady is singing and there isn't a thing you

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread Lone Wolf
Patience Gaar. Why are you in such a hurry, it will come? On Oct 7, 6:01 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, The fact is there are many things being done, and Fat Ladies Sing all the time... Funny, no Revolution outside. What are you waiting for? On Oct 6, 11:14 pm, \Lone Wolf\

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread Lone Wolf
Buffet is fighting for his own survival which is tied to the to the preservation of the system. The CEO of GE was furious when the the bailout wasn't passed because GE relies on short term money markets to function. Buffet is not making an investment, he is providing liquidity to keep them

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread rigsy03
Warren Buffett just invested 3 billion in GE's common stock- Oct.2 =another option for sound companies. On Oct 6, 1:54 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big Companies such as Microsoft and GE have said before the bailout was approved that they risk insolvency if a credit crunch sets in,

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread rigsy03
Howleluiah, Lone Wolf!!! He also believes in the company which is why individuals invest in a company. (Charlie Rose interview last week) On Oct 7, 6:53 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buffet is fighting for his own survival which is tied to the to the preservation of the system. The

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread Lone Wolf
I am sure he said that, but what else is he going to say? Here is what GE had to say, GEC with businesses that span real estate, consumer finance,* aerospace, energy equipment, media and health care, has talked with leaders in the House to express support for the bill. The Fairfield,

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread Lone Wolf
And his book profits accumulate as debt put onto the worker's back. If he makes 1 billion on a deal, 1 billion of value has to be produced, debt is a claim on future surplus value produced by the workers. On Oct 8, 11:24 am, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buffet has made his Business finding

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread Lone Wolf
How so, oh mighty economic guru, when I am the only one who predicted the magnitude of this recession, while you still deny its happening? You don't even understand the basic concept of accumulation of profit by the use of credit and fictitious capital. On Oct 8, 11:32 am, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread Gaar
Obviously Economics and Capitalism aren't your strong points... Your lack of understanding of their Basics is beyond astounding. On Oct 7, 5:30 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And his book profits accumulate as debt put onto the worker's back. If he makes 1 billion on a deal, 1

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-07 Thread Gaar
On Oct 7, 6:40 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How so, oh mighty economic guru, when I am the only one who predicted the magnitude of this recession... Actually, you predict the fall of Capitalism, not just a Recession. You also attempt to make it a violent Revolution, to no avail.

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread rigsy03
And slim women whistle! You know how to whistle don't you? Put your lips together and blow. On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tumultuous events of today augur in the complete meltdown of the world economy, markets will continue to spiral out of control as they open

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread rigsy03
This could be a bonus for sound companies- they should start buying back their own stock. On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tumultuous events of today augur in the complete meltdown of the world economy, markets will continue to spiral out of control as they open

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread d.b.baker
You got the thread title wrong, pilgrim. It's The Death of Socialism. On Oct 6, 2:06 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tumultuous events of today augur in the complete meltdown of the world economy, markets will continue to spiral out of control as they open across the world

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread rigsy03
I was thinking last week the Dow could dive to 8,000 or 7,500. On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tumultuous events of today augur in the complete meltdown of the world economy, markets will continue to spiral out of control as they open across the world following

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Lone Wolf
Big Companies such as Microsoft and GE have said before the bailout was approved that they risk insolvency if a credit crunch sets in, there will be no money to buy back shares. On Oct 7, 5:19 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be a bonus for sound companies- they should start

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Lone Wolf
It's not the Socialist world economy that is imploding into a black hole. In 1929 US debt was 150% of GDP, today it is 300% of GDP. The expansion of credit extends far beyond the capacity to repay and far beyond existing capital in the real world. On Oct 7, 5:20 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread d.b.baker
On Oct 6, 2:56 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not the Socialist world economy that is imploding into a black hole. Wrong. Affordable Housing, Section 8's, public pensions, government subsidies, unions, rent stabilizations - these are all socialist programs. Fannie and Freddie,

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Lone Wolf
Your worst nightmare is here Gaar, the collapse of American free trade capitalism, which has always meant that every other country had to comply with US demands. No Gaar, its over. Bernacke is now talking about bailing out business and bankrupt states, such as California. US capitalism is a

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Lone Wolf
No they are not, they are pathetic capitalist concessions to the working class. We don't want your concessions, we want full control of all major business, banks and public utilities to be put under the democratic control of the people and the eradication of all nation states, this is a minimum

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Gaar
On Oct 6, 11:54 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big Companies such as Microsoft and GE have said before the bailout was approved that they risk insolvency if a credit crunch sets in, there will be no money to buy back shares. WTF? You haven't a CLUE do you!?!?!?!?!? Do you even

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread d.b.baker
I forgot to add the latest social engineering scheme: shoving edible corn down our gas tanks. Add it all up, then factor the result with the number in Congress. Hey, DOW; correct, correct, correct! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Gaar
We've Bailed out States before, that is nothing new... I know that there are some very Rich Americans who saw this trouble starting, and when there are some serious Deals over the next weeks and months, these People will be buying up these Assets and putting America back to work, and back on

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Gaar
Yes d.b., we are all going to Learn there are consequences to the actions the Loony Liberals try to force down our Throats. On Oct 6, 12:44 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to add the latest social engineering scheme: shoving edible corn down our gas tanks. Add it all up,

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Lone Wolf
It's over Gaar Microsoft, Schering-Plough See `Entire Economy' in Jeopardy By Dina Bass and Shannon Pettypiece Enlarge Image/Details Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Officials from Microsoft Corp. to Office Depot Inc. and Schering-Plough Corp. said the government's failure to bail out the U.S. banking

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Gaar
MSFT has over $20 BILLION in Cash... On Oct 6, 12:56 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's over Gaar Microsoft, Schering-Plough See `Entire Economy' in Jeopardy By Dina Bass and Shannon Pettypiece Enlarge Image/Details Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Officials from Microsoft Corp. to

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Gaar
I'll trust their SEC Filings, and NOT some Article you cite, thanks. On Oct 6, 1:05 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they have got it, they better hold on to it. Although the ariicle would suggest otherwise. Latest Headlines from the Melbourne Age. Latest Business Coverage

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Gaar
Donald doesn't get it... We can't force others to do for us, we need to do for ourselves. Drill Baby, Drill!!! :-) On Oct 6, 1:14 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition, I just heard Donald Trump state the scary obvious: confront OPEC in no uncertain terms. God, the Libs will

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread d.b.baker
On Oct 6, 4:22 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donald doesn't get it... We can't force others to do for us... Yes we can; the buyer is always right. We put those assholes in business, and now we can force them out of the business. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Gaar
You way underestimate the U.S. addiction to Oil... On Oct 6, 1:29 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 4:22 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donald doesn't get it... We can't force others to do for us... Yes we can; the buyer is always right. We put those assholes in

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread d.b.baker
On Oct 6, 4:30 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You way underestimate the U.S. addiction to Oil... That's like saying food is an addiction. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Gaar
On Oct 6, 1:35 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's like saying food is an addiction. Exactly... And what we need to Learn from our Food is that, we grow our OWN!!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Lone Wolf
They are listed on the home page of the Age website just as they are, one after the other. I'll never have time to read them all! On Oct 7, 7:21 am, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll trust their SEC Filings, and NOT some Article you cite, thanks. On Oct 6, 1:05 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Lone Wolf
Come on, give up Gaar and be a good looser. US capitalism is done for, you are not proving anything other than you are a stubborn ignoramus On Oct 7, 10:49 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are listed on the home page of the Age website just as they are, one after the other. I'll

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Gaar
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/microsoft-announces-40b-s_n_128223.html Microsoft Announces $40B Stock Buyback Some Yahoo shareholders are still praying Microsoft will once again ride to their rescue, this time with a bid in the mid-to-high $20s. This price would have sounded

Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings

2008-10-06 Thread Lone Wolf
Stocks extend slide on global rout Wall Street below 10,000 Shares dive in global market rout Chris Zappone October 7, 2008 - 10:58AM Australian shares fall sharply after overseas markets dived overnight, while worries about global economic growth sent the Aussie dollar to a 3-year low. The