Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings
Gaar, the big picture isthe fat lady is singing and there isn't a thing you can do about it. On Oct 7, 12:55 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 5:30 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft to the rescue! You were the one attempting to say they were going to have some serious trouble because of lack of Credit. I was simply pointing out that they have a BUNCH of Cash, and Credit will not likely be a problem for them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Borders, Socialism, and the Free Market
No I don't advocate the destruction of others. I advocate the dismantling of a system that is the cause of the death and destruction, you condone death and destruction under the bogus cover of the war on terror. On Oct 7, 7:19 am, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 1:11 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yours is a system of destruction that needs to be gotten rid off. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are the one espousing the destruction of all others just so your System can work. Hyocrite. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Watch out for 30% who pay no taxes
On Oct 6, 8:45 pm, Mark Kahle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my point exactly. thanks for your admission. You were the one attempting to say Paulson could do nothing until the Congress and this Committee say he can, and that they wre setting the Rules. Yet, as we have now SEEN, you are WRONG, and Paulson will in FACT start getting these things done without the Congress setting ANY Rules. So were you Lying or just didn't know what the Fuck you were talking about? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Watch out for 30% who pay no taxes
IRS gives a 10% reward to snitches about tax fraud go to their site and turn me in. be happy to send you my ss #.to your personal mail. On 10/4/08, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure you are... On Oct 4, 3:43 pm, Mark Kahle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, there are exceptions and I am one. Have not had to file with IRS in 8 years. On 10/4/08, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 4, 2:33 pm, Mark Kahle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but not only will i no longer pay income tax i live outside the US and therefore will pay no tax of any sort. i will no longer feed the corrupt waylaying of the constitution and rule of law Unless they have changed the Law, you are still required ti File Federal Income Taxes, as a U.S. Citizen, even if you Live abroad... -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings
Frank, The fact is there are many things being done, and Fat Ladies Sing all the time... Funny, no Revolution outside. What are you waiting for? On Oct 6, 11:14 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gaar, the big picture isthe fat lady is singing and there isn't a thing you can do about it. On Oct 7, 12:55 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 5:30 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft to the rescue! You were the one attempting to say they were going to have some serious trouble because of lack of Credit. I was simply pointing out that they have a BUNCH of Cash, and Credit will not likely be a problem for them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FOCUS | In Florida's Economic Pain, Obama Gains Ground
And... 6 Months ago, my Uncle (who Lives in Florida), who is a Lifelong Republican, was talking about considering Voting for Obama. Now, after seeing what he is all about (he and I had a few talks), he is no longer talking about Voting for Obama, but rather making sure his friends know all they can about Obama... On Oct 5, 11:03 am, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny... I have heard many long time Democrats saying they are going to Vote Republican for the first time in their Life. Imagine that. On Oct 5, 9:33 am, studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my surprise; my friend who is a conservative told me about his brother (who also votes conservative); that his wife had changed his mind about voting for another conservative to be President. And now his brother is trying to convince him to vote for Obama. They both vote in Florida, but have houses they live in, in at least 2 different states, and have both been retired for a number of years. I know he won't be swayed, but he's still a good friend regardless of who he votes for...but what surprised me was that his brother and wife turned tails away from the Republican party they've always voted for.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
no what is obvious is that McCain was born on foreign soil and Obama was born in America ! On Oct 6, 10:55 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update: [Q] - Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/06/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss (which was) filed on 09/24/08. While legal, Berg stated he is “outraged as this is another attempt to hide the truth from the public; it is obvious that documents do not exist to prove that Obama is qualified to be President.” The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083. Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by attempting to delay the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama meets the qualifications to be President. It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist. -http://www.obamacrimes.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: O.J. Simpson found Guilty on ALL COUNTS!!!
i was thinking of OJ,s last crime . On Oct 6, 12:21 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 6:46 am, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: didn't they have video or audio tapes of the crime ? Apparently. And the scene was horrific, blood everywhere, Nicole was nearly decapitated. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Despicable: McCain and Palin Revive McCarthyism
really can you prove that ? and please provide any evidence that Ayers committed a crime while you are at it ! On Oct 6, 5:26 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: facts are facts, and the fact is barry has been lying about his association with the terrorist. they are buds. On Oct 6, 8:08 am, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for the most part truth and you are complete strangers On Oct 6, 6:47 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since when is the truth McCarthyism? In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html Obama served on a board with former Weather Underground member William Ayers and that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11. Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, April 16th, 2008 in Democratic debate in Philadephia Documents released Tuesday by the University of Illinois at Chicago shed some light on Barack Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a founding member of the 1960s and 1970s radical group the Weather Underground. The massive collection of newly released documents -- 140 boxes full of them -- includes agendas that clearly put Obama and Ayers in the same room for meetings of Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an educational initiative that Ayers was instrumental in starting and that Obama chaired in the 1990s.http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/newly-released-documents-high... On Oct 6, 5:52 am, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despicable: McCain and Palin Revive McCarthyismhttp://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/1797 We see America as the greatest force for good in this world, our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country. -- Sarah Palin Those are the words of Sarah Palin, a candidate for Vice President of the United States and an embarrassment to herself and our country. Her presence on the Presidential ticket of John McCain demeans all Americans who understand the words truth and civility. It shows us once again that the Governor is only interested in attaining unbridled power and self-importance no matter what the cost to the dignity of the election process. Her words are lies and her lies tell us the truth: Sarah Palin is unfit to govern the United States of America. McCain’s selection of Palin is just as revealing. It was a last minute cynical choice intended to take the spotlight off truth and substance and replace it with lies and parlor tricks. It’s an affront to our election process and the American people. As a consequence, the Governor of Alaska has now settled into the immoral and unethical world of the gutter language of hate, distortion, lies and vitriolic attacks, in order to conceal the vacuum of ignorance in which she lives. Mrs. Palin’s reprehensible comments were based on Senator Obama’s acquaintance with William Ayer’s, a member of the Weather Underground in the tumultuous sixties. Many major publications in this country including The New York Times and Time Magazine previously investigated this erroneous charge against Obama and then disregarded it as unfounded. Even so, in true McCain style the Republican candidate threatened to keep his accusations in the news. And now, like a ventriloquist he speaks little while he pulls the strings inside Palin in a blatant and transparent attempt to turn non-issues into issues. William Ayers operated in an environment of division and hate over forty years ago during a defining time in America’s history. Ayer’s actions may have been inexcusable at the time but they were his actions, not Senator Obama’s. Mr. Ayers is now sixty three and a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. By the McCain/Palin yard stick, that would make every faculty member and every student who has passed Ayers in the hall or attended one of his lectures, a terrorist sympathizer. The university has an enrollment of over 20,000 students. Are they to be accused of hanging around terrorists and found guilty by association as well? Is this the America we want to pass on to our children? Do we want to relive the Joe McCarthy days Do we not have enough real issues and decisions to discuss in the coming four weeks? Edward R. Murrow, one of the great journalists of
Re: Watch out for 30% who pay no taxes
I will check my sources. However, once again you can't see the forrest through the trees. It matters little how and when the money is distributed, as it will do nothing to avert the meltdown. Europe is even in more disarray than the US. $700bl is a drop in the ocean in comparison to the trillions of bad debt accumulated by the world's banks. You would be better off working out how the capitalist system can be rescued from this debacle that has proved that the capitalist free market is a not the pinnacle of societal achievement but is a miserable failure that must be done away with. On Oct 7, 5:59 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 10:11 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No his not, that provision was knocked backed in the drafting o the bill. The Huffington post is right wing propaganda, not a political/ economic source of information No it was not. You are either ill informed, or you are a Liar... http://clipsandcomment.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/senate_bailout.pdf THAT is the Bill, and the provision I cited is within. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings
Patience Gaar. Why are you in such a hurry, it will come? On Oct 7, 6:01 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, The fact is there are many things being done, and Fat Ladies Sing all the time... Funny, no Revolution outside. What are you waiting for? On Oct 6, 11:14 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gaar, the big picture isthe fat lady is singing and there isn't a thing you can do about it. On Oct 7, 12:55 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 5:30 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft to the rescue! You were the one attempting to say they were going to have some serious trouble because of lack of Credit. I was simply pointing out that they have a BUNCH of Cash, and Credit will not likely be a problem for them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Now is the Time, We Need You
Strike two, capitalism always works, provided it is not adulterated by government. Get serious, provide the evidence to back up this outrageous and ridiculous assertion. In America the richest 1% of people own more than bottom 90%, while the bottom 40% owe 0.2%--Failure America owes $53 trillion and its trade deficit is 300% of GDP, twice as high as in 1929--Failure Half the world is living on $2 a day, while Bill Gates's fortune is as large as the GDP of 120 of the world's 180 countries--Miserable failure. In other words capitalism rewards pure greed, not initiative. That's why the politicians today are nothing but criminal business tycoons more concerned about what they can make for themselves than any concern for the concern for the welfare of their constituents. The nature of this system will always reward the greedy and the corrupt and there are no laws or mechanisms you can put in place to stop it. Corruption is endemic to capitalism. Look at the level debate in the elections, it's straight out of the gutter. These people belong in jail, not standing for public office. Another one in denial. Capitalism doesn't work, look around you its a miserable failure beyond reform. On Oct 7, 11:18 am, Jim Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong twice, that is a record. Jefferson railed against democracies. Which is why he helped institute a representative republic. Strike two, capitalism always works, provided it is not adulterated by government. Please get at least a modicum of a grasp of history before entering the arena of debate. On Oct 6, 7:11 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 300,000,000 Jefferson's out ready to do their bit, it's not the will that is lacking, it's the system that's falling down around your ears, and not just in the US, but all around the world. OPEN YOUR EYES, look beyond your boarders if you can. If Jefferson was alive today he would say what are you doing, capitalism must go, I never stipulated America had to be a capitalist country, I said if must be the most democratic of countries, that can't happen with this abomination! Do something about it, NOW!!! On Oct 7, 10:59 am, Jim Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it, in our national debate on the financial crisis, Fannie and Freddie are missing from our nomenclature? The sub-prime market, “ballyhooed by those evil twins” is the root cause of this fiasco and not only is it un-mentionable, FF continue to prime the pump of our sub-prime market. While Wall Street is trying to climb their way out of this, “financial hole” Fannie and Freddie keep digging. Look folks, it’s time we put all of our face cards on the table, face up. Fannie and Freddie exist to place poor people and minorities into houses they can ill afford. It is real estate affirmative action. Though republicans, John McCain, ET. Al. blew the bugle of oncoming doom no one forcefully beat the drum of graft and corruption at FF lest they be labeled a racist. It’s as simple as that. Democrats used FF as their personal piggy bank to finance their own campaigns and place hamburger flippers into mansions with cement ponds. Now, with our financial house burning down around us, the polecat politico profundity is the abstract assertion that FF must be saved at all costs. And, lest we forget, the American taxpayer will be forced to bend over and grab the ankles once again. It is with due diligence and some trepidation that I posit the following proffer; I fear the moment in time for a change to representative, responsible government in these several states by reformation at the ballot box has since passed and more participatory endeavors be reflected upon. Thomas Jefferson said, “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent” and “Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny” and finally, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”. The current Machiavellian malevolence we as a people are forced to abide from a corrupt bloated bureaucracy has been and become intolerable. Were it simply the democrat party run amuck, “as they are” a reachable remedy wrought of electoral enterprising engineering would be apt, yet, it is apparent that the gatekeepers themselves have become tainted thus insolvable. Our founders born a country wherein rugged individualism and personal responsibility would rein over governmental intrusion and a paternal patronization from the tiny behemoth that is the District of Columbia. Our current political class has adulterated the hopes and prayers of those great men. They waged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor that we might be free in a country little influenced by government and
is this what palin sees in her dreams ?
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Re: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video
Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the ... the GOP would have a lock on the four largest states in the union, ... www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm - 21k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Sen Byrd, Media Begin To Cover Bush-Hitler Connection That the mainstream media has again found newsworthy the long-established connections between the Bush family and the Nazi Party is also instructive. ... www.rense.com/general43/byrd.htm - 21k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this [PDF] The Nixon-Bush Nazi Connection File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML winning any election and, in later. years, caused the Republican party. considerable embarrassment when. pieces of the Nazi connection began. to surface . ... coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/54/54_35.pdf - Similar pages - Note this Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Political party, Republican. Spouse, Dorothy Walker Bush the family vigorously denied the connection, but Bush lost to Benton by only 1000 votes. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush - 64k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Libertarian National Socialist (Nazi) Green Party National Socialist (NAZI) party Libertarian National Socialist Green Party elaborates on ... and you'll have no connection energy left to invest in anybody . ... www.nazi.org/ - 36k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Nazis in the Attic THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI CONNECTION. George Bush's problems were inherited from start uncovering the Fascist skeletons in the Republican party's closet. ... www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm - 32k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this On Oct 7, 6:48 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sieg heil, hail der furher obama sieg heil sieg heil sieg heil On Oct 7, 6:45 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you really want to start a conversation about Hitler given the connection between the Nazi party and the bush family /GOP On Oct 7, 6:40 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hitler youth. nobama youth. same thing On Oct 7, 6:08 am, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MY GOD HOW DARE OBAMA SERVE AS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR THESE CHILDREN ! i say we all vote for him and make him president . that will teach him a lesson ! On Oct 7, 5:31 am, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video Last Edited: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:49 PM CDT Created: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:45 PM CDT Obama Youth They're not old enough to vote, but a group of Kansas City middle school students pledging their political support is raising eyebrows. A choreographed chant by a group of students at the Kansas City charter school Urban Community Leadership Academy has people talking ever since it showed up on the internet. -- •See the YouTube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs -- Some call it indoctrination and others say it encourages political involvement. On a video posted on the internet, middle school students say Barack Obama has inspired them to succeed. Conservative morning Chris Stigall saw the video on the Drudge Report. This is an indoctrination. It's not a debate. It's not discussing relevant issues. It's not tit-for-tat, Stigall, with 710 KCMO Radio, said. Stigall said his disapproval isn't because of Obama, but rather because where it took place. No public school could or should get away with such a thing, Stigall said. Stigall said on Monday morning that the school's director called his show and acknowledged that the video was made on school grounds after class at a teacher sanctioned event. At the Broadway Cafe, a midtowner said he wouldn't mind the activity if it were organized by students. If it's a teacher pulling them along, I think it's not as sensible, voter Tony Haynes said. The teacher's role is not to lead them in a particular direction, but give them a place to lead themselves. A Republican who supports Obama said while he didn't see the video, he thinks it's interesting these kids want to be involved. I went through the public school and when I was there no one cared about either candidate, voter Christopher Slocum said. But another voter said teachers should interest them in the issues on both sides. As a school based program, I don't think that's fair. I think all issues need to be presented, voter Fern Mesa said. The school's director didn't return
Re: McCain Lawyers Push Back on Obama Keating Five Charges
McCain is dirty and got a free pass for his part in this issue as the facts show . if you can dispute them please do so On Oct 7, 6:37 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so murky, are you calling a loyal dem, and clinton lawyer, the man behind the whole investigation a liar? are you ? just cannot except the truth can ya? retard On Oct 7, 6:30 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is John McCain a Crook?http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/ The controversial George W. Bush-sponsored poll in South Carolina mentioned John McCain's role in the so-called Keating Five scandal, and McCain says his involvement in the scandal will probably be on my tombstone. What exactly did McCain do? In early 1987, at the beginning of his first Senate term, McCain attended two meetings with federal banking regulators to discuss an investigation into Lincoln Savings and Loan, an Irvine, Calif., thrift owned by Arizona developer Charles Keating. Federal auditors were investigating Keating's banking practices, and Keating, fearful that the government would seize his SL, sought intervention from a number of U.S. senators. ---- ---- At Keating's behest, four senators--McCain and Democrats Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, Alan Cranston of California, and John Glenn of Ohio--met with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, on April 2. Those four senators and Sen. Don Riegle, D-Mich., attended a second meeting at Keating's behest on April 9 with bank regulators in San Francisco. Regulators did not seize Lincoln Savings and Loan until two years later. The Lincoln bailout cost taxpayers $2.6 billion, making it the biggest of the SL scandals. In addition, 17,000 Lincoln investors lost $190 million. In November 1990, the Senate Ethics Committee launched an investigation into the meetings between the senators and the regulators. McCain, Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, and Riegle became known as the Keating Five. (Keating himself was convicted in January 1993 of 73 counts of wire and bankruptcy fraud and served more than four years in prison before his conviction was overturned. Last year, he pleaded guilty to four counts of fraud and was sentenced to time served.) McCain defended his attendance at the meetings by saying Keating was a constituent and that Keating's development company, American Continental Corporation, was a major Arizona employer. McCain said he wanted to know only whether Keating was being treated fairly and that he had not tried to influence the regulators. At the second meeting, McCain told the regulators, I wouldn't want any special favors for them, and I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper. But Keating was more than a constituent to McCain--he was a longtime friend and associate. McCain met Keating in 1981 at a Navy League dinner in Arizona where McCain was the speaker. Keating was a former naval aviator himself, and the two men became friends. Keating raised money for McCain's two congressional campaigns in 1982 and 1984, and for McCain's 1986 Senate bid. By 1987, McCain campaigns had received $112,000 from Keating, his relatives, and his employees--the most received by any of the Keating Five. (Keating raised a total of $300,000 for the five senators.) After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were to Keating's Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights. And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the regulators, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating strip mall. The Senate Ethics Committee probe of the Keating Five began in November 1990, and committee Special Counsel Robert Bennett recommended that McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation. They were not. McCain believes Democrats on the committee blocked Bennett's recommendation because he was the lone Keating Five Republican. In February 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee found McCain and Glenn to be the least blameworthy of the five senators. (McCain and Glenn attended the meetings but did nothing else to influence the regulators.) McCain was guilty of nothing more than poor judgment, the committee said, and declared his actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence. McCain considered the committee's judgment to be full exoneration, and he contributed $112,000 (the amount raised for him by Keating) to the U.S. Treasury. Next question? On Oct 6, 7:38 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHOENIX -- The McCain campaign pushed
Re: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rule
The sad thing is that in the approach to the election, the GOP has discovered an elephant in the room, and that they are going to vote for it. That is interesting, as the elephant is probably a better choice than either their presidential, or their vice presidential candidate. Of course they have to take credit for the candidate they provided eight years ago. On Oct 7, 6:55 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: point out any lies that are in this article if you can . On Oct 7, 6:51 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how does one dispute lies murky. you should know being the consummate liar, so teach me the fine points. how does one dispute lies? putz and THE DEMS ARE IN CHARGE. On Oct 7, 6:47 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so the answer is no you can't dispute and of the points made . On Oct 7, 6:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: simple answer for your simple mind. YOU DEMS ARE IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS. and any poll conducted by the daily kooks is about as honest as you being a repulican. you crack me up murky, always good for a laugh. putz On Oct 7, 6:20 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can you dispute any of the points made in this article oh witless one ? On Oct 7, 6:17 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bwahahahahahahaha snicker snicker hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha On Oct 7, 6:13 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rulehttp://www.alternet.org/election08/101872/ The overarching reality of the country is that we've lived under unchallenged Republican rule, and the country has virtually collapsed on every level. There are few things that make political coverage more unbearable -- and more distorting -- than The David Brooks Syndrome: the extremely patronizing and ill-informed pretense, shared by media and right-wing elites alike, that they can study the Little Common Person like a zoo animal, and then translate and give voice to their simple-minded, good- hearted, salt-of-the-earth perspectives. Rarely has this mentality been so transparent as in the wake of the Biden-Palin debate, as pundits and right-wing polemicists like Brooks, Peggy Noonan and Rich Starbursts Lowry rushed forward to proclaim giddily that Regular Americans would love Sarah Palin and this love could even help McCain win, despite -- or, really, because of -- her vapid, content-free telegenic presence. Actual empirical evidence -- called polling data -- has almost uniformly demonstrated how false these condescending pats on the head are, as every single poll conducted thus far (at least that I'm aware of) found that Americans believed that Biden won and is the far more serious candidate for office, and huge numbers continue to have profound doubts about Palin's fitness for office. And the first tracking poll to report a full post-debate day of polling -- the Research 2000 poll for Daily Kos -- finds Obama with a 13-point lead, his largest ever. This joint right-wing/pundit claim that Americans would swoon in the face of Palin's empty chatter, self-conscious folksiness and chronic, seizure-like winking says much more about those making the claim than it does about their Regular People subjects. As polling data conclusively demonstrates, the mindset of the voting public is infinitely more rational and substance-based than the pundits and the Right fantasize when they lyrically praise the Regular American -- at least it is in this time of perceived (and actual crisis). What's happening in this country, and in this election, is rather simple and easy to see: (1) the country is in total shambles -- possibly far worse than what people even realize; (2) we have lived for the last eight years under virtually absolute GOP rule; (3) the public knows this; (4) the Republican President and his party are therefore intensely -- historically -- unpopular; and (5) the voting public doesn't want to continue living under the rule of the same faction and same political party that has driven the country into the ground. Having Sarah Palin drop her gerund endings and desperately trotting out the standard, tired GOP attack ads to depict Obama as a radical, fist-pumping, America-hating, unhinged socialist -- when everyone can see with their own eyes that he isn't -- won't change any of that. 12Next page »- Hide quoted text -
Re: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video
hitler youth. nobama youth. same thing On Oct 7, 6:08 am, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MY GOD HOW DARE OBAMA SERVE AS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR THESE CHILDREN ! i say we all vote for him and make him president . that will teach him a lesson ! On Oct 7, 5:31 am, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video Last Edited: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:49 PM CDT Created: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:45 PM CDT Obama Youth They're not old enough to vote, but a group of Kansas City middle school students pledging their political support is raising eyebrows. A choreographed chant by a group of students at the Kansas City charter school Urban Community Leadership Academy has people talking ever since it showed up on the internet. -- •See the YouTube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs -- Some call it indoctrination and others say it encourages political involvement. On a video posted on the internet, middle school students say Barack Obama has inspired them to succeed. Conservative morning Chris Stigall saw the video on the Drudge Report. This is an indoctrination. It's not a debate. It's not discussing relevant issues. It's not tit-for-tat, Stigall, with 710 KCMO Radio, said. Stigall said his disapproval isn't because of Obama, but rather because where it took place. No public school could or should get away with such a thing, Stigall said. Stigall said on Monday morning that the school's director called his show and acknowledged that the video was made on school grounds after class at a teacher sanctioned event. At the Broadway Cafe, a midtowner said he wouldn't mind the activity if it were organized by students. If it's a teacher pulling them along, I think it's not as sensible, voter Tony Haynes said. The teacher's role is not to lead them in a particular direction, but give them a place to lead themselves. A Republican who supports Obama said while he didn't see the video, he thinks it's interesting these kids want to be involved. I went through the public school and when I was there no one cared about either candidate, voter Christopher Slocum said. But another voter said teachers should interest them in the issues on both sides. As a school based program, I don't think that's fair. I think all issues need to be presented, voter Fern Mesa said. The school's director didn't return our calls. According to FOX News, the school suspended the teacher in charge of the after school activity for insubordination after he posted the video online. Leslie Carto, FOX 4 News http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7588857vers... photo_servlet?contentId=758version=1locale=EN-USsubtype=MIMGsiteId=1020isP16=true 13KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: McCain Lawyers Push Back on Obama Keating Five Charges
nothing from the libs? nothing On Oct 6, 7:38 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHOENIX -- The McCain campaign pushed back hard against the new Obama attack over the Keating Five, arguing that the Arizona senator was treated unfairly by the Senate ethics investigation and asserting that John McCain had been much more open about his relationship with disgraced thrift executive Charles Keating than Obama has been about his connection with one-time radical William Ayers. In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, John Dowd, the Washington lawyer who represented McCain during the Senate investigation, called the inquiry a classic political smear job by the Democrats running the Senate at the time, saying that they only included McCain to make sure that a Republican was among the targets. John had not done anything wrong, Dowd said. Dowd's point of view was amplified by Robert Bennett, the Washington lawyer and Democrat who served as special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee during the Keating Five investigation, which focused on whether McCain and other senators exercised improper political influence over the regulation of Keating's failed Lincoln Savings Loan. In an interview, Bennett said McCain should never have been dragged into the ethics case to begin with. He said that after his own lengthy investigation, he came to the conclusion that the case against McCain and former Sen. John Glenn (D-Ohio) should have been dropped because the evidence suggested that once McCain understood that the Justice Department was investigating Keating, he backed off any involvement. Dowd noted that McCain threw Keating,once a strong supporter, out of his office after Keating pressed him to intervene in his case. Bennett said former Sen. Howell Hefflin (D-Ala.) insisted that the two be included in the formal public inquiry because otherwise there would have been a month of public hearings with no Republicans in the dock. The other members of the Keating Five were Democrats. It was clear that McCain should not have been at the table nor should Glenn, Bennett said. I felt it was unfair for McCain to be included as part of the Keating Five. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/mccain_lawyers_... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
mccain is erratic in a crisis, !
Obama to Preempt McCain Assault http://www.truthout.org/100608K Branding his opponent as erratic in a crisis, Sen. Barack Obama, D- Ill., is preempting plans by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to portray him as having sinister connections to controversial Chicagoans. Obama officials call it political jujitsu - turning the attacks back on the attacker. McCain officials had said early in the weekend that they plan to begin advertising after Tuesday's debate that will tie Obama to convicted money launderer Tony Rezko and former Weathermen radical William Ayers. But Obama isn't waiting to respond. His campaign is going up Monday on national cable stations with a scathing ad saying: Three quarters of a million jobs lost this year. Our financial system in turmoil. And John McCain? Erratic in a crisis. Out of touch on the economy. No wonder his campaign wants to change the subject. Turn the page on the financial crisis by launching dishonorable, dishonest 'assaults' against Barack Obama. Struggling families can't turn the page on this economy, and we can't afford another president who is this out of touch. Then Obama says: I'm Barack Obama and I approved this message. McCain officials told Politico that the new offensive is likely to focus on Rezko and Ayers. The officials said the campaign will not bring up the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor, because McCain has forbade them from using that as a weapon. Without being specific, the officials said outside groups may focus on Wright. When word of the planned attacks leaked Saturday, Obama officials said within hours that it was an attempt by McCain to distract voters from the economy. We think the McCain campaign made a huge error by telling the press that their strategy was to distract from the most important issue facing voters, a senior Obama official said. Every attack going forward will be easy to characterize for what it is - an attempt to distract from the Bush-McCain economic record. McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds hinted at the tough new line Saturday on Fox Friends. There are associations that are important to who Barack Obama is as a candidate, who he'd be as president, Bounds said. Obama-Biden communications director Dan Pfeiffer said about the new ads: If John McCain thinks he can 'turn the page' on the economic crisis facing American families, he is even more out of touch than we imagined. Now there may be no good answers for John McCain due to his erratic response to the financial crisis, but his desire to avoid discussing the economy is something we will remind voters of everyday for the next month --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video
nobama has his gestapo out and about stifling free speech, and his indoctrinated hitler youth. can you say nazi germany all over again? On Oct 7, 6:53 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the ... the GOP would have a lock on the four largest states in the union, ...www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm- 21k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Sen Byrd, Media Begin To Cover Bush-Hitler Connection That the mainstream media has again found newsworthy the long-established connections between the Bush family and the Nazi Party is also instructive. ...www.rense.com/general43/byrd.htm- 21k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this [PDF] The Nixon-Bush Nazi Connection File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML winning any election and, in later. years, caused the Republican party. considerable embarrassment when. pieces of the Nazi connection began. to surface . ... coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/54/54_35.pdf - Similar pages - Note this Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Political party, Republican. Spouse, Dorothy Walker Bush the family vigorously denied the connection, but Bush lost to Benton by only 1000 votes. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush - 64k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Libertarian National Socialist (Nazi) Green Party National Socialist (NAZI) party Libertarian National Socialist Green Party elaborates on ... and you'll have no connection energy left to invest in anybody . ...www.nazi.org/- 36k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Nazis in the Attic THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI CONNECTION. George Bush's problems were inherited from start uncovering the Fascist skeletons in the Republican party's closet. ...www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm- 32k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this On Oct 7, 6:48 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sieg heil, hail der furher obama sieg heil sieg heil sieg heil On Oct 7, 6:45 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you really want to start a conversation about Hitler given the connection between the Nazi party and the bush family /GOP On Oct 7, 6:40 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hitler youth. nobama youth. same thing On Oct 7, 6:08 am, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MY GOD HOW DARE OBAMA SERVE AS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR THESE CHILDREN ! i say we all vote for him and make him president . that will teach him a lesson ! On Oct 7, 5:31 am, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video Last Edited: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:49 PM CDT Created: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:45 PM CDT Obama Youth They're not old enough to vote, but a group of Kansas City middle school students pledging their political support is raising eyebrows. A choreographed chant by a group of students at the Kansas City charter school Urban Community Leadership Academy has people talking ever since it showed up on the internet. -- •See the YouTube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs -- Some call it indoctrination and others say it encourages political involvement. On a video posted on the internet, middle school students say Barack Obama has inspired them to succeed. Conservative morning Chris Stigall saw the video on the Drudge Report. This is an indoctrination. It's not a debate. It's not discussing relevant issues. It's not tit-for-tat, Stigall, with 710 KCMO Radio, said. Stigall said his disapproval isn't because of Obama, but rather because where it took place. No public school could or should get away with such a thing, Stigall said. Stigall said on Monday morning that the school's director called his show and acknowledged that the video was made on school grounds after class at a teacher sanctioned event. At the Broadway Cafe, a midtowner said he wouldn't mind the activity if it were organized by students. If it's a teacher pulling them along, I think it's not as sensible, voter Tony Haynes said. The teacher's role is not to lead them in a particular direction, but give them a place to lead themselves. A Republican who supports Obama said while he didn't see the video, he thinks it's interesting these kids want to be involved. I went through the public school and when I was there no one cared about either candidate, voter Christopher Slocum
A bloodbath of greed and misbehavior
By this stage, there can be no doubt, even to the dyed-in-the-wool capitalist proponents: the chickens are coming to roost! The mountain of debt, based on fictitious money, that is capitalism’s “lifeblood,” is now falling as an avalanche that threatens to sweep the Old Order to oblivion. Pundits talk of a “bloodbath,” “greed” and “misbehaviour” by the financial elite. This is all bollocks. The capital enterprises went there, because there was profit to be made, as analysed by Marx and Engels more than 150 years ago. Attempts are also made to shift the blame on the victim, in accordance with the “individual responsibility” principle, so beloved of the neo-cons. Now, the whole elaborate ideological superstructure is being revealed as a house of cards, the corpse of capitalism is on life support, ready to be taken out feet first. But then, where are the gravediggers? At this time, this situation recalls the darkest days of 1915, a time of utter confusion and disorientation of the working class; but at least there was a Bolshevik Party to drive a progressive political perspective and clarity. Today, despite worldwide discontent, the pauperisation and the rising consciousness of the masses of the working people, there is no attempt to organise a mass movement that would challenge capitalism. A mood of hopelessness and helplessness takes over, leading to a widely held view that “there is no alternative” to the capitalist mode of production. The result is widespread cynicism and alienation of the population towards political parties, the state and its institutions, and big business. There are continuing signs of a deep social malaise and alienation, as witnessed in a comparative “backwater” of Finland just recently. As Rosa Luxemburg remarked about 90 years ago, mankind stands before a stark choice: “either socialism or barbarism”; and, of course, the corollary is also true: without socialism, there will be barbarism. This is why the role of WSWS and SEP is so crucial, and even more so in these uncertain and potentially revolutionary times of ferment and rising working class consciousness. The challenge is to begin to form a mass socialist revolutionary movement from what still remains, a largely marginal propagandist activity. Of crucial importance is a membership drive to widen support amongst the working class, with all the benefits of a mass movement, such as political weight and effectiveness. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rule
A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rule http://www.alternet.org/election08/101872/ The overarching reality of the country is that we've lived under unchallenged Republican rule, and the country has virtually collapsed on every level. There are few things that make political coverage more unbearable -- and more distorting -- than The David Brooks Syndrome: the extremely patronizing and ill-informed pretense, shared by media and right-wing elites alike, that they can study the Little Common Person like a zoo animal, and then translate and give voice to their simple-minded, good- hearted, salt-of-the-earth perspectives. Rarely has this mentality been so transparent as in the wake of the Biden-Palin debate, as pundits and right-wing polemicists like Brooks, Peggy Noonan and Rich Starbursts Lowry rushed forward to proclaim giddily that Regular Americans would love Sarah Palin and this love could even help McCain win, despite -- or, really, because of -- her vapid, content-free telegenic presence. Actual empirical evidence -- called polling data -- has almost uniformly demonstrated how false these condescending pats on the head are, as every single poll conducted thus far (at least that I'm aware of) found that Americans believed that Biden won and is the far more serious candidate for office, and huge numbers continue to have profound doubts about Palin's fitness for office. And the first tracking poll to report a full post-debate day of polling -- the Research 2000 poll for Daily Kos -- finds Obama with a 13-point lead, his largest ever. This joint right-wing/pundit claim that Americans would swoon in the face of Palin's empty chatter, self-conscious folksiness and chronic, seizure-like winking says much more about those making the claim than it does about their Regular People subjects. As polling data conclusively demonstrates, the mindset of the voting public is infinitely more rational and substance-based than the pundits and the Right fantasize when they lyrically praise the Regular American -- at least it is in this time of perceived (and actual crisis). What's happening in this country, and in this election, is rather simple and easy to see: (1) the country is in total shambles -- possibly far worse than what people even realize; (2) we have lived for the last eight years under virtually absolute GOP rule; (3) the public knows this; (4) the Republican President and his party are therefore intensely -- historically -- unpopular; and (5) the voting public doesn't want to continue living under the rule of the same faction and same political party that has driven the country into the ground. Having Sarah Palin drop her gerund endings and desperately trotting out the standard, tired GOP attack ads to depict Obama as a radical, fist-pumping, America-hating, unhinged socialist -- when everyone can see with their own eyes that he isn't -- won't change any of that. 12Next page » --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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John McCain's Ballistic Misfire
John McCain's Ballistic Misfire Sen. McCain, take it from someone who misspent much of his youth in a neighborhood that specialized in unseemly persuasion: When preparing to sucker punch the other guy in the form of a swift kick in the balls, one normally shouldn't telegraph one's intentions. http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/203 But that's just what you've done, you hopeless klutz. Last week McCain unleashed a veritable avalanche of pre-attack intel, complete with the precise timing of his most desperate D-Day. When asked by one of his overeager troops at a town-hall coven, When are you going to take the gloves off? the candidate, according to the Washington Post, grinned and replied, 'How about Tuesday night?' And while you were blathering the timing of the larger, imminent offensive, your advisers were blathering its tactical message: We are looking for a very aggressive last 30 days, crooned one of them to the Post, which, as newspapers are wont to do, was taking notes, with the extraordinary idea of publication in mind. We are looking forward to turning a page on this financial crisis, said, for lack of a better word, the adviser, and getting back to discussing Mr. Obama's aggressively liberal record and how he will be too risky for Americans. Naturally within minutes the Obama camp was broadcasting those words -- turning a page on this financial crisis -- back at the McCain camp, whose bluster and blather must surely have struck Obama advisers with serendipitous bemusement. Rarely are counteroffensives preceded by counter-counteroffensives. But this one was, sucking all the umph out of its shocking suddenness. Meanwhile, leaving no guesswork to the opposition, the McCain campaign also signaled the second component of its two-pronged offensive. 'We're going to get a little tougher,' a senior Republican operative said, indicating that a fresh batch of television ads is coming. And these ads, rather than turning pages on the collapsing economy -- something unemployed or imminently unemployed viewers everywhere are likely to forget, right? -- will turn a new page on simple indecency and dishonor: We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon, said the operative, meaning already in the can are grainy, slow- mo spots showing Obama's close relations to Tony Rezko and one-time radical William Ayres. Now, we're all campaign strategists these days so it wasn't as though the details and timing of McCain's final offensive were much of a surprise. But why, in the name of what little suspense is left, would he and his advisers so boastfully reveal so much and so soon? Could it be that even they doubt it will work, so what the hell, why not go ahead and posture and preen? After all, it's not like they have any constructive policy proposals to fill the dead air and newspaper interviews. No, they merely returned to the only real fundamental they know -- a return to the old GOP playbook of going distractingly dirty. Although I continue to stand in awestruck admiration of these Rovian spawns' indefatigable chutzpah -- I love never-say-die fighters, even the dumb ones -- this time, I imagine, it just won't work. Or should I say, especially this time. Simply put, this presidential race has finally turned into an anti- McCain contest. Once again, Obama has been most fortunate in his enemies. They just keep handing him victories. In McCain's case, just quickly review and consider merely a few of his confidence-sapping missteps, to put it kindly: his talk of strong economic fundamentals, followed by, within hours, his talk of a crisis; his insistence that he wouldn't debate in a crisis, no, he will debate in a crisis; his absolute refusal to condone pork, except when it's necessary. There are many, many others, of course -- let's not even get started on the judgment issue of Sarah Palin's recruitment -- and ceremoniously ticking them off might make for a good drinking game, but a lousy basis for a presidential campaign. At its core, however, the reason McCain's counteroffensive won't work is simply that the problem it's intended to hide -- a full-blown, honest-to-God economic crisis; he at least got that right -- is just too big. Part and parcel of his coming spiel is much of that good-old, apocalyptic, Hooverian rhetoric about a tax-and-spend Democratic opponent, just when the electorate is poised to embrace a good-old, tax-and-spend Democratic president -- just when it's ready to welcome some classic pump-priming, regardless of deficit woes; just when government spending equates in the electoral mind with jobs and societal security and healthcare. And the very last thing on the electorate's list of concerns is the microscopic matter of William Ayers, coming to television sets in battleground states everywhere, very soon. What a pathetically desperate way to drop victory right in Obama's lap. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum
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Re: McCain Lawyers Push Back on Obama Keating Five Charges
so murky, are you calling a loyal dem, and clinton lawyer, the man behind the whole investigation a liar? are you ? just cannot except the truth can ya? retard On Oct 7, 6:30 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is John McCain a Crook?http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/ The controversial George W. Bush-sponsored poll in South Carolina mentioned John McCain's role in the so-called Keating Five scandal, and McCain says his involvement in the scandal will probably be on my tombstone. What exactly did McCain do? In early 1987, at the beginning of his first Senate term, McCain attended two meetings with federal banking regulators to discuss an investigation into Lincoln Savings and Loan, an Irvine, Calif., thrift owned by Arizona developer Charles Keating. Federal auditors were investigating Keating's banking practices, and Keating, fearful that the government would seize his SL, sought intervention from a number of U.S. senators. At Keating's behest, four senators--McCain and Democrats Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, Alan Cranston of California, and John Glenn of Ohio--met with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, on April 2. Those four senators and Sen. Don Riegle, D-Mich., attended a second meeting at Keating's behest on April 9 with bank regulators in San Francisco. Regulators did not seize Lincoln Savings and Loan until two years later. The Lincoln bailout cost taxpayers $2.6 billion, making it the biggest of the SL scandals. In addition, 17,000 Lincoln investors lost $190 million. In November 1990, the Senate Ethics Committee launched an investigation into the meetings between the senators and the regulators. McCain, Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, and Riegle became known as the Keating Five. (Keating himself was convicted in January 1993 of 73 counts of wire and bankruptcy fraud and served more than four years in prison before his conviction was overturned. Last year, he pleaded guilty to four counts of fraud and was sentenced to time served.) McCain defended his attendance at the meetings by saying Keating was a constituent and that Keating's development company, American Continental Corporation, was a major Arizona employer. McCain said he wanted to know only whether Keating was being treated fairly and that he had not tried to influence the regulators. At the second meeting, McCain told the regulators, I wouldn't want any special favors for them, and I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper. But Keating was more than a constituent to McCain--he was a longtime friend and associate. McCain met Keating in 1981 at a Navy League dinner in Arizona where McCain was the speaker. Keating was a former naval aviator himself, and the two men became friends. Keating raised money for McCain's two congressional campaigns in 1982 and 1984, and for McCain's 1986 Senate bid. By 1987, McCain campaigns had received $112,000 from Keating, his relatives, and his employees--the most received by any of the Keating Five. (Keating raised a total of $300,000 for the five senators.) After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were to Keating's Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights. And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the regulators, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating strip mall. The Senate Ethics Committee probe of the Keating Five began in November 1990, and committee Special Counsel Robert Bennett recommended that McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation. They were not. McCain believes Democrats on the committee blocked Bennett's recommendation because he was the lone Keating Five Republican. In February 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee found McCain and Glenn to be the least blameworthy of the five senators. (McCain and Glenn attended the meetings but did nothing else to influence the regulators.) McCain was guilty of nothing more than poor judgment, the committee said, and declared his actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence. McCain considered the committee's judgment to be full exoneration, and he contributed $112,000 (the amount raised for him by Keating) to the U.S. Treasury. Next question? On Oct 6, 7:38 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHOENIX -- The McCain campaign pushed back hard against the new Obama attack over the Keating Five, arguing that the Arizona senator was treated unfairly by the Senate ethics investigation and asserting that John McCain had been much more open about his relationship with disgraced
Re: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video
do you really want to start a conversation about Hitler given the connection between the Nazi party and the bush family /GOP On Oct 7, 6:40 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hitler youth. nobama youth. same thing On Oct 7, 6:08 am, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MY GOD HOW DARE OBAMA SERVE AS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR THESE CHILDREN ! i say we all vote for him and make him president . that will teach him a lesson ! On Oct 7, 5:31 am, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video Last Edited: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:49 PM CDT Created: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:45 PM CDT Obama Youth They're not old enough to vote, but a group of Kansas City middle school students pledging their political support is raising eyebrows. A choreographed chant by a group of students at the Kansas City charter school Urban Community Leadership Academy has people talking ever since it showed up on the internet. -- •See the YouTube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs -- Some call it indoctrination and others say it encourages political involvement. On a video posted on the internet, middle school students say Barack Obama has inspired them to succeed. Conservative morning Chris Stigall saw the video on the Drudge Report. This is an indoctrination. It's not a debate. It's not discussing relevant issues. It's not tit-for-tat, Stigall, with 710 KCMO Radio, said. Stigall said his disapproval isn't because of Obama, but rather because where it took place. No public school could or should get away with such a thing, Stigall said. Stigall said on Monday morning that the school's director called his show and acknowledged that the video was made on school grounds after class at a teacher sanctioned event. At the Broadway Cafe, a midtowner said he wouldn't mind the activity if it were organized by students. If it's a teacher pulling them along, I think it's not as sensible, voter Tony Haynes said. The teacher's role is not to lead them in a particular direction, but give them a place to lead themselves. A Republican who supports Obama said while he didn't see the video, he thinks it's interesting these kids want to be involved. I went through the public school and when I was there no one cared about either candidate, voter Christopher Slocum said. But another voter said teachers should interest them in the issues on both sides. As a school based program, I don't think that's fair. I think all issues need to be presented, voter Fern Mesa said. The school's director didn't return our calls. According to FOX News, the school suspended the teacher in charge of the after school activity for insubordination after he posted the video online. Leslie Carto, FOX 4 News http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7588857vers... photo_servlet?contentId=758version=1locale=EN-USsubtype=MIMGsiteId=1020isP16=true 13KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Royal Bank of Scotland and British Banks in Discussions on $79 billon Funding Plan (Update1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE11Zrrp24I On Oct 7, 5:47 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RBS, British Banks in Discussions on $79 billon Funding Plan (Update1) By Ben Livesey and Poppy Trowbridge Oct. 7 (Bloomberg) -- The U.K. government may invest at least 45 billion pounds ($79 billion) in three of the country's biggest banks, including Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, to bolster capital depleted by mortgage-related losses, three people with knowledge of the situation said. Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling and Bank of England Governor Mervyn King met late yesterday with RBS Chief Executive Officer Fred Goodwin and his counterparts at Barclays Plc and Lloyds TSB Group Plc to discuss the possible investment, said the people, who declined to be identified because the meeting was confidential. RBS fell as much as 39 percent after Standard Poor's cut the Edinburgh-based bank's credit rating for the first time in almost a decade, citing its deteriorating financial condition. The government has already bailed out Bradford Bingley Plc and brokered the takeover of HBOS Plc in the past month on concern about the banks' ability to fund themselves. Darling said yesterday he will do ``whatever it takes'' to keep the financial system stable as capital markets remain frozen. ``The equity markets are saying RBS has the biggest problem but something needs to be done across the board,'' said Simon Maughan, a London-based analyst at MF Global Securities. ``Bond investor confidence in the banks is completely shot.'' Debt Repayments RBS, Barclays, Lloyds TSB and the U.K.'s three other biggest banks need to repay as much as 54 billion pounds of debt by the end of March 2009, just as borrowing costs reach record highs. The total, which includes bonds, convertible bonds and commercial paper, is triple the debt repaid in the same period a year earlier. RBS, the owner of NatWest, has about 11.5 billion pounds of obligations coming due in the next six months, while Barclays has 15.9 billion pounds maturing, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. ``We have categorically not requested capital from the government,'' Barclays spokesman Alistair Smith said. RBS said in a statement today it ``did not make a request to government for capital.'' Edinburgh-based RBS traded down 23 percent at 114.2 pence at 12:55 p.m. in London trading, its lowest value in 13 years. HBOS, the country's largest mortgage lender, declined 14 percent and Lloyds TSB dropped 7 percent. Barclays fell 1.6 percent. RBS Comments ``We have our feet on the ground,'' Barclays CEO John Varley said in a speech at a Merrill Lynch Co. conference in London today. ``We understand very clearly that the environment is difficult, and that it's quite likely to get more difficult as economies in the world decelerate.'' ``The outlook for 2009 is challenging,'' said Fred Goodwin at the same conference. ``We are delivering against our plans and targets.'' Goodwin made no reference to the bank's share price. An official in Prime Minister Gordon Brown's office had no immediate comment. Last night, his official spokesman Michael Ellam echoed Darling in saying the government would not be giving details of what it is considering. Asked if he could confirm that Darling had met Lloyds TSB CEO Eric Daniels, Fred Goodwin and John Varley last night, a Treasury spokesman said he could not. ``It would be irresponsible to speculate on the specifics of future responses,'' Darling told Parliament last night. ``Providing a running commentary could add to uncertainty. All practical options must remain open to us.'' Lloyds spokesman Mark Lidiard reiterated today that the bank will ``look at opportunities'' to raise capital and it continues to target a capital ratio of 6 percent to 7 percent. He declined to comment on a report by the British Broadcasting Corp. that the bank also took part in the government talks. To contact the reporter on this story: Ben Livesey in London [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rule
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XOflkBHQXA On Oct 7, 3:13 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rulehttp://www.alternet.org/election08/101872/ The overarching reality of the country is that we've lived under unchallenged Republican rule, and the country has virtually collapsed on every level. There are few things that make political coverage more unbearable -- and more distorting -- than The David Brooks Syndrome: the extremely patronizing and ill-informed pretense, shared by media and right-wing elites alike, that they can study the Little Common Person like a zoo animal, and then translate and give voice to their simple-minded, good- hearted, salt-of-the-earth perspectives. Rarely has this mentality been so transparent as in the wake of the Biden-Palin debate, as pundits and right-wing polemicists like Brooks, Peggy Noonan and Rich Starbursts Lowry rushed forward to proclaim giddily that Regular Americans would love Sarah Palin and this love could even help McCain win, despite -- or, really, because of -- her vapid, content-free telegenic presence. Actual empirical evidence -- called polling data -- has almost uniformly demonstrated how false these condescending pats on the head are, as every single poll conducted thus far (at least that I'm aware of) found that Americans believed that Biden won and is the far more serious candidate for office, and huge numbers continue to have profound doubts about Palin's fitness for office. And the first tracking poll to report a full post-debate day of polling -- the Research 2000 poll for Daily Kos -- finds Obama with a 13-point lead, his largest ever. This joint right-wing/pundit claim that Americans would swoon in the face of Palin's empty chatter, self-conscious folksiness and chronic, seizure-like winking says much more about those making the claim than it does about their Regular People subjects. As polling data conclusively demonstrates, the mindset of the voting public is infinitely more rational and substance-based than the pundits and the Right fantasize when they lyrically praise the Regular American -- at least it is in this time of perceived (and actual crisis). What's happening in this country, and in this election, is rather simple and easy to see: (1) the country is in total shambles -- possibly far worse than what people even realize; (2) we have lived for the last eight years under virtually absolute GOP rule; (3) the public knows this; (4) the Republican President and his party are therefore intensely -- historically -- unpopular; and (5) the voting public doesn't want to continue living under the rule of the same faction and same political party that has driven the country into the ground. Having Sarah Palin drop her gerund endings and desperately trotting out the standard, tired GOP attack ads to depict Obama as a radical, fist-pumping, America-hating, unhinged socialist -- when everyone can see with their own eyes that he isn't -- won't change any of that. 12Next page » --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video
as i have shown the GOP and the bush family have a long history together . do you have any information linking obama to the Nazi party or Hitler ? On Oct 7, 6:55 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nobama has his gestapo out and about stifling free speech, and his indoctrinated hitler youth. can you say nazi germany all over again? On Oct 7, 6:53 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the ... the GOP would have a lock on the four largest states in the union, ...www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm-21k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Sen Byrd, Media Begin To Cover Bush-Hitler Connection That the mainstream media has again found newsworthy the long-established connections between the Bush family and the Nazi Party is also instructive. ...www.rense.com/general43/byrd.htm-21k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this [PDF] The Nixon-Bush Nazi Connection File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML winning any election and, in later. years, caused the Republican party. considerable embarrassment when. pieces of the Nazi connection began. to surface . ... coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/54/54_35.pdf - Similar pages - Note this Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Political party, Republican. Spouse, Dorothy Walker Bush the family vigorously denied the connection, but Bush lost to Benton by only 1000 votes. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush - 64k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Libertarian National Socialist (Nazi) Green Party National Socialist (NAZI) party Libertarian National Socialist Green Party elaborates on ... and you'll have no connection energy left to invest in anybody . ...www.nazi.org/-36k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Nazis in the Attic THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI CONNECTION. George Bush's problems were inherited from start uncovering the Fascist skeletons in the Republican party's closet. ...www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm-32k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this On Oct 7, 6:48 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sieg heil, hail der furher obama sieg heil sieg heil sieg heil On Oct 7, 6:45 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you really want to start a conversation about Hitler given the connection between the Nazi party and the bush family /GOP On Oct 7, 6:40 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hitler youth. nobama youth. same thing On Oct 7, 6:08 am, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MY GOD HOW DARE OBAMA SERVE AS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR THESE CHILDREN ! i say we all vote for him and make him president . that will teach him a lesson ! On Oct 7, 5:31 am, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video Last Edited: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:49 PM CDT Created: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:45 PM CDT Obama Youth They're not old enough to vote, but a group of Kansas City middle school students pledging their political support is raising eyebrows. A choreographed chant by a group of students at the Kansas City charter school Urban Community Leadership Academy has people talking ever since it showed up on the internet. -- •See the YouTube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs -- Some call it indoctrination and others say it encourages political involvement. On a video posted on the internet, middle school students say Barack Obama has inspired them to succeed. Conservative morning Chris Stigall saw the video on the Drudge Report. This is an indoctrination. It's not a debate. It's not discussing relevant issues. It's not tit-for-tat, Stigall, with 710 KCMO Radio, said. Stigall said his disapproval isn't because of Obama, but rather because where it took place. No public school could or should get away with such a thing, Stigall said. Stigall said on Monday morning that the school's director called his show and acknowledged that the video was made on school grounds after class at a teacher sanctioned event. At the Broadway Cafe, a midtowner said he wouldn't mind the activity if it were organized by students. If it's a teacher pulling them along, I think it's not as sensible, voter Tony Haynes said. The teacher's role is not to lead them in a particular direction, but give them a place to lead themselves.
Re: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video
MY GOD HOW DARE OBAMA SERVE AS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR THESE CHILDREN ! i say we all vote for him and make him president . that will teach him a lesson ! On Oct 7, 5:31 am, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video Last Edited: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:49 PM CDT Created: Monday, 06 Oct 2008, 3:45 PM CDT Obama Youth They're not old enough to vote, but a group of Kansas City middle school students pledging their political support is raising eyebrows. A choreographed chant by a group of students at the Kansas City charter school Urban Community Leadership Academy has people talking ever since it showed up on the internet. -- •See the YouTube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs -- Some call it indoctrination and others say it encourages political involvement. On a video posted on the internet, middle school students say Barack Obama has inspired them to succeed. Conservative morning Chris Stigall saw the video on the Drudge Report. This is an indoctrination. It's not a debate. It's not discussing relevant issues. It's not tit-for-tat, Stigall, with 710 KCMO Radio, said. Stigall said his disapproval isn't because of Obama, but rather because where it took place. No public school could or should get away with such a thing, Stigall said. Stigall said on Monday morning that the school's director called his show and acknowledged that the video was made on school grounds after class at a teacher sanctioned event. At the Broadway Cafe, a midtowner said he wouldn't mind the activity if it were organized by students. If it's a teacher pulling them along, I think it's not as sensible, voter Tony Haynes said. The teacher's role is not to lead them in a particular direction, but give them a place to lead themselves. A Republican who supports Obama said while he didn't see the video, he thinks it's interesting these kids want to be involved. I went through the public school and when I was there no one cared about either candidate, voter Christopher Slocum said. But another voter said teachers should interest them in the issues on both sides. As a school based program, I don't think that's fair. I think all issues need to be presented, voter Fern Mesa said. The school's director didn't return our calls. According to FOX News, the school suspended the teacher in charge of the after school activity for insubordination after he posted the video online. Leslie Carto, FOX 4 News http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7588857vers... photo_servlet?contentId=758version=1locale=EN-USsubtype=MIMGsiteId=1020isP16=true 13KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Hannity's Witness: Exterminate Jew Power
Hannity's Witness: Exterminate Jew Power http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/05/hannitys_witness_exterminate_j/ Calling the Anti-Defamation League, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, David Brooks, and other defenders of Jewish people . slime artists of all political persuasions: Sean Hannity's Fox News Sunday night kitchen-sink sewer job on Barack Obama, complete with a sound-track cribbed from C- porn flicks, features prominently, as witness of Obama's iniquity, one Andy Martin, author and journalist, and, though not identified as such on Fox News, perennial political candidate in four states. Among Martin's contributions to fairness and balance, this nifty aphorism: I think a community organizer is someone who was in training to overthrow the government of the United States of America. Martin previously crawled out from under a rock, according to Matthew Mosk in the WP, to take credit for posting the first article to assert that the Illinois senator was a Muslim. More recently, he claimed, contrary to fact, that Obama, whom he called a media witch doctor, has locked his granny away and refused to allow her to be seen in order to pretend he has no white relatives. Martin has been crawling beneath the rocks for quite some time. According to no less a source than the Unification Church's impeccably right-wing Washington Times of December 22, 1999: In 1986, when Mr. Martin ran as a Democrat for Connecticut's 3rd Congressional District seat under the name Anthony R. Martin- Trigona, his campaign committee filed papers saying its purpose was to exterminate Jew power in America and impeach U.S. District Court of Appeals judges in New York City. The Washington Times' reporter, Ralph Z. Hallow, went on to say: a Connecticut federal judge finally barred him from filing any more federal lawsuits without permission. The judge said Mr. Martin has pursued legal actions with 'persistence, viciousness, and general disregard for decency and logic.' Hallow went on: In a New York bankruptcy case, he referred to a judge as a crooked, slimy Jew. During the bankruptcy dispute, he filed a civil-rights lawsuit claiming Jewish bankruptcy judges and lawyers were conspiring to steal his property. He asked a court to bar any Jew from having anything to do with plaintiff's property. In another motion in the case, he wrote: I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did, when Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property. According to Hallow, he ran for the Republican nomination for governor of Florida against the incumbent, Bob Martinez, in 1990. The Florida Republican Party disavowed him because he previously ran for office as a Democrat and because of his anti-Semitic statements. This is Sean Hannity's idea of a source. Does Bill Kristol care? David Brooks? Abe Foxman? John McCain? Sarah Palin? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: dem's attempts to steal election in Ohio fizzles
republican attempt to block voters stopped by court ! Ohio Voting Law Held Unconstitutional A citizen, whether naturalized or born in the USA, is a citizen. Ohio nonetheless tried to impose a requirement that naturalized citizens provide proof of citizenship before casting a ballot, if challenged by a poll worker. How a poll worker was to distinguish between a citizen by birth and a naturalized citizen is a mystery, but no matter. Judge Christopher Boyko struck down the law, holding: There can be no second-class American as far as any court is concerned. Exactly. (More on the ridiculous law here.) Here's the shocker. The rule was so obviously unconstitutional that, when it was challenged in court, Ohio's notorious Secretary of State (and now gubernatorial candidate) Ken Blackwell didn't even try to defend it. So why didn't you refuse to enforce it from the beginning, Mr. Blackwell? On Oct 7, 7:00 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: attempts by the dem sec of state to circumvent Ohio voting laws, and nobama's voting group acorn, to register illegal voters has fizzled. only 4000 people broke the law and registered and voted on the same day. nice try though on another note, the dem sec of state's attempt to discount McCain absentee ballots was rebuffed by the state supreme court who told her her actions were illegal, and all ballots were to be counted. nice try --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Palins Owe Tens of Thousands of Dollars in Back Taxes
http://www.electoral-vote.com/ Palins May Owe Tens of Thousands of Dollars in Back Taxes When Sarah Palin accepted John McCain's offer to be his running mate, she probably didn't fully realize what being in the national spotlight meant. For example, your tax returns get to be analyzed in public (for free) by miscellaneous tax experts. Gov. Palin actually lives in Wasilla, a suburb of Anchorage, but the state capital is in Juneau, 500 miles away as the crow flies (assuming they have crows in Alaska). On the many nights she stayed at home, she claimed to have been away from the capital on business and was reimbursed $17,000 by the state for this travel. Being paid a per diem for staying in your own home is ethically dicey but probably legal since away on business is probably defined as not near your office. However, Palin was also paid $25,000 to reimburse her husband and children for being away from home (Juneau) which she did not list as income. A D.C. tax lawyer and two law school professors specializing in tax law have concluded that if the State of Alaska wants to pay the governor to take her family on business trips that is its good right, but the money received is taxable income under the internal revenue code and the Palins should have declared it and paid tax on it, which they did not. State Employees will Testify in Troopergate The Alaska attorney general has reversed himself and announced that the seven state employees subpoenaed by retired prosecutor Steve Branchflower will testify in the Troopergate affair. Branchflower was hired by the Republican-controlled Alaska state legislature to investigate potential abuse-of-power charges against Gov. Sarah Palin in conjunction with her firing the state commissioner of public safety for refusing to dismiss her estranged brother-in-law. In addition, the state supreme court will hold a hearing tomorrow on a defense motion to throw the whole case out. Branchflower is trying to get his report out on Friday. If he concludes that Palin misused her power, it will be a huge bombshell. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rule
so the answer is no you can't dispute and of the points made . On Oct 7, 6:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: simple answer for your simple mind. YOU DEMS ARE IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS. and any poll conducted by the daily kooks is about as honest as you being a repulican. you crack me up murky, always good for a laugh. putz On Oct 7, 6:20 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can you dispute any of the points made in this article oh witless one ? On Oct 7, 6:17 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bwahahahahahahaha snicker snicker hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha On Oct 7, 6:13 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rulehttp://www.alternet.org/election08/101872/ The overarching reality of the country is that we've lived under unchallenged Republican rule, and the country has virtually collapsed on every level. There are few things that make political coverage more unbearable -- and more distorting -- than The David Brooks Syndrome: the extremely patronizing and ill-informed pretense, shared by media and right-wing elites alike, that they can study the Little Common Person like a zoo animal, and then translate and give voice to their simple-minded, good- hearted, salt-of-the-earth perspectives. Rarely has this mentality been so transparent as in the wake of the Biden-Palin debate, as pundits and right-wing polemicists like Brooks, Peggy Noonan and Rich Starbursts Lowry rushed forward to proclaim giddily that Regular Americans would love Sarah Palin and this love could even help McCain win, despite -- or, really, because of -- her vapid, content-free telegenic presence. Actual empirical evidence -- called polling data -- has almost uniformly demonstrated how false these condescending pats on the head are, as every single poll conducted thus far (at least that I'm aware of) found that Americans believed that Biden won and is the far more serious candidate for office, and huge numbers continue to have profound doubts about Palin's fitness for office. And the first tracking poll to report a full post-debate day of polling -- the Research 2000 poll for Daily Kos -- finds Obama with a 13-point lead, his largest ever. This joint right-wing/pundit claim that Americans would swoon in the face of Palin's empty chatter, self-conscious folksiness and chronic, seizure-like winking says much more about those making the claim than it does about their Regular People subjects. As polling data conclusively demonstrates, the mindset of the voting public is infinitely more rational and substance-based than the pundits and the Right fantasize when they lyrically praise the Regular American -- at least it is in this time of perceived (and actual crisis). What's happening in this country, and in this election, is rather simple and easy to see: (1) the country is in total shambles -- possibly far worse than what people even realize; (2) we have lived for the last eight years under virtually absolute GOP rule; (3) the public knows this; (4) the Republican President and his party are therefore intensely -- historically -- unpopular; and (5) the voting public doesn't want to continue living under the rule of the same faction and same political party that has driven the country into the ground. Having Sarah Palin drop her gerund endings and desperately trotting out the standard, tired GOP attack ads to depict Obama as a radical, fist-pumping, America-hating, unhinged socialist -- when everyone can see with their own eyes that he isn't -- won't change any of that. 12Next page »- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: McCain Lawyers Push Back on Obama Keating Five Charges
Is John McCain a Crook? http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/ The controversial George W. Bush-sponsored poll in South Carolina mentioned John McCain's role in the so-called Keating Five scandal, and McCain says his involvement in the scandal will probably be on my tombstone. What exactly did McCain do? In early 1987, at the beginning of his first Senate term, McCain attended two meetings with federal banking regulators to discuss an investigation into Lincoln Savings and Loan, an Irvine, Calif., thrift owned by Arizona developer Charles Keating. Federal auditors were investigating Keating's banking practices, and Keating, fearful that the government would seize his SL, sought intervention from a number of U.S. senators. At Keating's behest, four senators--McCain and Democrats Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, Alan Cranston of California, and John Glenn of Ohio--met with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, on April 2. Those four senators and Sen. Don Riegle, D-Mich., attended a second meeting at Keating's behest on April 9 with bank regulators in San Francisco. Regulators did not seize Lincoln Savings and Loan until two years later. The Lincoln bailout cost taxpayers $2.6 billion, making it the biggest of the SL scandals. In addition, 17,000 Lincoln investors lost $190 million. In November 1990, the Senate Ethics Committee launched an investigation into the meetings between the senators and the regulators. McCain, Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, and Riegle became known as the Keating Five. (Keating himself was convicted in January 1993 of 73 counts of wire and bankruptcy fraud and served more than four years in prison before his conviction was overturned. Last year, he pleaded guilty to four counts of fraud and was sentenced to time served.) McCain defended his attendance at the meetings by saying Keating was a constituent and that Keating's development company, American Continental Corporation, was a major Arizona employer. McCain said he wanted to know only whether Keating was being treated fairly and that he had not tried to influence the regulators. At the second meeting, McCain told the regulators, I wouldn't want any special favors for them, and I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper. But Keating was more than a constituent to McCain--he was a longtime friend and associate. McCain met Keating in 1981 at a Navy League dinner in Arizona where McCain was the speaker. Keating was a former naval aviator himself, and the two men became friends. Keating raised money for McCain's two congressional campaigns in 1982 and 1984, and for McCain's 1986 Senate bid. By 1987, McCain campaigns had received $112,000 from Keating, his relatives, and his employees--the most received by any of the Keating Five. (Keating raised a total of $300,000 for the five senators.) After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were to Keating's Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights. And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the regulators, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating strip mall. The Senate Ethics Committee probe of the Keating Five began in November 1990, and committee Special Counsel Robert Bennett recommended that McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation. They were not. McCain believes Democrats on the committee blocked Bennett's recommendation because he was the lone Keating Five Republican. In February 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee found McCain and Glenn to be the least blameworthy of the five senators. (McCain and Glenn attended the meetings but did nothing else to influence the regulators.) McCain was guilty of nothing more than poor judgment, the committee said, and declared his actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence. McCain considered the committee's judgment to be full exoneration, and he contributed $112,000 (the amount raised for him by Keating) to the U.S. Treasury. Next question? On Oct 6, 7:38 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHOENIX -- The McCain campaign pushed back hard against the new Obama attack over the Keating Five, arguing that the Arizona senator was treated unfairly by the Senate ethics investigation and asserting that John McCain had been much more open about his relationship with disgraced thrift executive Charles Keating than Obama has been about his connection with one-time radical William Ayers. In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, John Dowd, the Washington lawyer who represented McCain during the Senate investigation, called the inquiry a classic political smear job by
Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings
Buffet is fighting for his own survival which is tied to the to the preservation of the system. The CEO of GE was furious when the the bailout wasn't passed because GE relies on short term money markets to function. Buffet is not making an investment, he is providing liquidity to keep them operating. On Oct 7, 9:56 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warren Buffett just invested 3 billion in GE's common stock- Oct.2 =another option for sound companies. On Oct 6, 1:54 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big Companies such as Microsoft and GE have said before the bailout was approved that they risk insolvency if a credit crunch sets in, there will be no money to buy back shares. On Oct 7, 5:19 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be a bonus for sound companies- they should start buying back their own stock. On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tumultuous events of today augur in the complete meltdown of the world economy, markets will continue to spiral out of control as they open across the world following another Wall St collapse. The 2008 US presidential election has already been rendered meaningless before it has even been held, because any prospect of social programs is now to be shelved. Rather, an amount equivalent to $2,300 for every man, woman and child in the US is to be transferred to the wealthy. One of the first questions asked by the moderator in the first presidential debate was: which government programs are you advocating be cut back in view of the bailout plan? All were agreed there would have to be cuts—that was accepted, a given. The American ruling class cannot carry out its program democratically, and therefore we see, in the measures proposed by Treasury Secretary Paulson, the sinews of a dictatorship. The initial text sent to the Congress, supposedly the legislative body with oversight over expenditures, was barely three pages long—less paperwork, one commentator noted in the New York Times, than was required for a subprime mortgage! According to the initial text, among the powers available to the Treasury secretary, “without limitation,” will be “designating financial institutions as financial agents of the government” able to perform “all such reasonable duties related to this Act.” This means that the same financial institutions that engaged in the speculative and, in some cases, outright criminal activities that led to the crisis, are to be called on to help the Treasury organise the bailout. As a recent article on the WSWS noted, the term “conflict of interest” does not even begin to cover what is taking place. Moreover, the plan provides for legal immunity for the Treasury. “Decisions by the secretary pursuant to the authority are non- reviewable ... and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.” As an article in the New York Times of September 23 pointed out, with these words “the Treasury secretary—whoever that may be in a few months —would be vested with the most incredible powers ever bestowed on one person over the economic and financial life of the United States. It is the financial equivalent of the Patriot Act, after 9/11.” The Times described Paulson’s proposed legislation as “the most amazing power grab in the history of the American economy.” A long established axiom of economics and politics holds that in a crisis, real relations are laid bare, as the accidental and the inessential are stripped away. And this is the case in this crisis. Not government of the people, by the people and for the people; not the “free market” in which the decisions of millions of people determine economic outcomes; but government of, by, and for the wealthy. Not democracy and a land of laws, but a dictatorship of finance capital. The wars of plunder launched by American imperialism in Afghanistan and Iraq, the aim of which is to control oil and other resources in the interests of US finance capital, are now being openly fought on the home front. They will be accompanied by a deepening of the assault on democratic rights, initiated in the so-called “war on terror.” This is where the American working class and the working class throughout the world will come forward and perform their historical destiny and clear away the old order auguring in a new and wondrous future for all mankind- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rule
point out any lies that are in this article if you can . On Oct 7, 6:51 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how does one dispute lies murky. you should know being the consummate liar, so teach me the fine points. how does one dispute lies? putz and THE DEMS ARE IN CHARGE. On Oct 7, 6:47 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so the answer is no you can't dispute and of the points made . On Oct 7, 6:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: simple answer for your simple mind. YOU DEMS ARE IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS. and any poll conducted by the daily kooks is about as honest as you being a repulican. you crack me up murky, always good for a laugh. putz On Oct 7, 6:20 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can you dispute any of the points made in this article oh witless one ? On Oct 7, 6:17 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bwahahahahahahaha snicker snicker hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha On Oct 7, 6:13 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rulehttp://www.alternet.org/election08/101872/ The overarching reality of the country is that we've lived under unchallenged Republican rule, and the country has virtually collapsed on every level. There are few things that make political coverage more unbearable -- and more distorting -- than The David Brooks Syndrome: the extremely patronizing and ill-informed pretense, shared by media and right-wing elites alike, that they can study the Little Common Person like a zoo animal, and then translate and give voice to their simple-minded, good- hearted, salt-of-the-earth perspectives. Rarely has this mentality been so transparent as in the wake of the Biden-Palin debate, as pundits and right-wing polemicists like Brooks, Peggy Noonan and Rich Starbursts Lowry rushed forward to proclaim giddily that Regular Americans would love Sarah Palin and this love could even help McCain win, despite -- or, really, because of -- her vapid, content-free telegenic presence. Actual empirical evidence -- called polling data -- has almost uniformly demonstrated how false these condescending pats on the head are, as every single poll conducted thus far (at least that I'm aware of) found that Americans believed that Biden won and is the far more serious candidate for office, and huge numbers continue to have profound doubts about Palin's fitness for office. And the first tracking poll to report a full post-debate day of polling -- the Research 2000 poll for Daily Kos -- finds Obama with a 13-point lead, his largest ever. This joint right-wing/pundit claim that Americans would swoon in the face of Palin's empty chatter, self-conscious folksiness and chronic, seizure-like winking says much more about those making the claim than it does about their Regular People subjects. As polling data conclusively demonstrates, the mindset of the voting public is infinitely more rational and substance-based than the pundits and the Right fantasize when they lyrically praise the Regular American -- at least it is in this time of perceived (and actual crisis). What's happening in this country, and in this election, is rather simple and easy to see: (1) the country is in total shambles -- possibly far worse than what people even realize; (2) we have lived for the last eight years under virtually absolute GOP rule; (3) the public knows this; (4) the Republican President and his party are therefore intensely -- historically -- unpopular; and (5) the voting public doesn't want to continue living under the rule of the same faction and same political party that has driven the country into the ground. Having Sarah Palin drop her gerund endings and desperately trotting out the standard, tired GOP attack ads to depict Obama as a radical, fist-pumping, America-hating, unhinged socialist -- when everyone can see with their own eyes that he isn't -- won't change any of that. 12Next page »- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: McCain Lawyers Push Back on Obama Keating Five Charges
you are a true and utter idiot. you need to dispute the real facts stated by the DEM who investigated, not you lying partisan hacks who would not know the truth if it was shoved up their ass. what you got shoved up your ass murky On Oct 7, 6:41 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: McCain is dirty and got a free pass for his part in this issue as the facts show . if you can dispute them please do so On Oct 7, 6:37 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so murky, are you calling a loyal dem, and clinton lawyer, the man behind the whole investigation a liar? are you ? just cannot except the truth can ya? retard On Oct 7, 6:30 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is John McCain a Crook?http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/ The controversial George W. Bush-sponsored poll in South Carolina mentioned John McCain's role in the so-called Keating Five scandal, and McCain says his involvement in the scandal will probably be on my tombstone. What exactly did McCain do? In early 1987, at the beginning of his first Senate term, McCain attended two meetings with federal banking regulators to discuss an investigation into Lincoln Savings and Loan, an Irvine, Calif., thrift owned by Arizona developer Charles Keating. Federal auditors were investigating Keating's banking practices, and Keating, fearful that the government would seize his SL, sought intervention from a number of U.S. senators. ---- ---- At Keating's behest, four senators--McCain and Democrats Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, Alan Cranston of California, and John Glenn of Ohio--met with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, on April 2. Those four senators and Sen. Don Riegle, D-Mich., attended a second meeting at Keating's behest on April 9 with bank regulators in San Francisco. Regulators did not seize Lincoln Savings and Loan until two years later. The Lincoln bailout cost taxpayers $2.6 billion, making it the biggest of the SL scandals. In addition, 17,000 Lincoln investors lost $190 million. In November 1990, the Senate Ethics Committee launched an investigation into the meetings between the senators and the regulators. McCain, Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, and Riegle became known as the Keating Five. (Keating himself was convicted in January 1993 of 73 counts of wire and bankruptcy fraud and served more than four years in prison before his conviction was overturned. Last year, he pleaded guilty to four counts of fraud and was sentenced to time served.) McCain defended his attendance at the meetings by saying Keating was a constituent and that Keating's development company, American Continental Corporation, was a major Arizona employer. McCain said he wanted to know only whether Keating was being treated fairly and that he had not tried to influence the regulators. At the second meeting, McCain told the regulators, I wouldn't want any special favors for them, and I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper. But Keating was more than a constituent to McCain--he was a longtime friend and associate. McCain met Keating in 1981 at a Navy League dinner in Arizona where McCain was the speaker. Keating was a former naval aviator himself, and the two men became friends. Keating raised money for McCain's two congressional campaigns in 1982 and 1984, and for McCain's 1986 Senate bid. By 1987, McCain campaigns had received $112,000 from Keating, his relatives, and his employees--the most received by any of the Keating Five. (Keating raised a total of $300,000 for the five senators.) After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were to Keating's Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights. And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the regulators, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating strip mall. The Senate Ethics Committee probe of the Keating Five began in November 1990, and committee Special Counsel Robert Bennett recommended that McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation. They were not. McCain believes Democrats on the committee blocked Bennett's recommendation because he was the lone Keating Five Republican. In February 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee found McCain and Glenn to be the least blameworthy of the five senators. (McCain and Glenn attended the meetings but did nothing else to influence the regulators.) McCain was guilty of nothing more than poor
Re: A bloodbath of greed and misbehavior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdN4hA-rB0 On Oct 7, 5:16 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By this stage, there can be no doubt, even to the dyed-in-the-wool capitalist proponents: the chickens are coming to roost! The mountain of debt, based on fictitious money, that is capitalism’s “lifeblood,” is now falling as an avalanche that threatens to sweep the Old Order to oblivion. Pundits talk of a “bloodbath,” “greed” and “misbehaviour” by the financial elite. This is all bollocks. The capital enterprises went there, because there was profit to be made, as analysed by Marx and Engels more than 150 years ago. Attempts are also made to shift the blame on the victim, in accordance with the “individual responsibility” principle, so beloved of the neo-cons. Now, the whole elaborate ideological superstructure is being revealed as a house of cards, the corpse of capitalism is on life support, ready to be taken out feet first. But then, where are the gravediggers? At this time, this situation recalls the darkest days of 1915, a time of utter confusion and disorientation of the working class; but at least there was a Bolshevik Party to drive a progressive political perspective and clarity. Today, despite worldwide discontent, the pauperisation and the rising consciousness of the masses of the working people, there is no attempt to organise a mass movement that would challenge capitalism. A mood of hopelessness and helplessness takes over, leading to a widely held view that “there is no alternative” to the capitalist mode of production. The result is widespread cynicism and alienation of the population towards political parties, the state and its institutions, and big business. There are continuing signs of a deep social malaise and alienation, as witnessed in a comparative “backwater” of Finland just recently. As Rosa Luxemburg remarked about 90 years ago, mankind stands before a stark choice: “either socialism or barbarism”; and, of course, the corollary is also true: without socialism, there will be barbarism. This is why the role of WSWS and SEP is so crucial, and even more so in these uncertain and potentially revolutionary times of ferment and rising working class consciousness. The challenge is to begin to form a mass socialist revolutionary movement from what still remains, a largely marginal propagandist activity. Of crucial importance is a membership drive to widen support amongst the working class, with all the benefits of a mass movement, such as political weight and effectiveness. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Inept, ineffecient useless! ( America supine.)
AND you want to elect ANOTHER President! By means of a wasteful, expensive, unwieldy 3-tier ( primaries, General Election, Electoral College) system!. Why? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
McCain owes millions of American women voters an answer about birth control.
It's almost embarrassing to watch, isn't it? https://secure.prochoiceamerica.org/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr001=mrf8v9jj71.app44bcmd=displaypage=UserActionid=3323 John McCain—ironically enough, aboard the Straight Talk Express—was unable to answer when confronted with a simple question: Shouldn't insurance companies be required to cover birth control if they cover Viagra? That was months ago, and he still hasn't answered the question clearly. I don't know about you, but I think it's time he answers, and next week's debate presents the perfect opportunity. Click here to watch the video and tell debate moderator Bob Schieffer that John McCain owes millions of American women voters an answer about birth control. https://secure.prochoiceamerica.org/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr001=mrf8v9jj71.app44bcmd=displaypage=UserActionid=3323 There's a reason John McCain certainly do[es] not want to discuss that issue, as he stammers in the clip: Because his record shows that he's dangerously out of touch with a nation where 98 percent of women use birth control at some point in their lives. As recently as 2005, McCain voted specifically against requiring insurance companies to cover prescription birth control. It sure looks like Sen. McCain is living up to the slogan so many of you voted for in our bumper sticker contest: 15th Century Solutions for the 21st Century. Maybe Sen. McCain has done his homework and can now give a real answer at the debate. Or maybe he's not stumped. Maybe he doesn't want to answer because he knows his record will alienate the women voters that will decide this election. It's time to find out. Watch the video of McCain's birth control straight talk and insist that he is asked: Why should men get insurance coverage for Viagra while some women pay the full cost out- of-pocket for prescription birth control? This is important, Stephen. Next Wednesday's debate is the last chance for voters to hear from the candidates in an open forum, and we can't afford a president who's out-to-lunch on issues affecting women and their families. That's why we must elect Sen. Barack Obama. Once you've sent in your question for the debate, please spread the word. Forward this message to friends and family so they can put pressure on the debate moderator too. Thanks for all that you do. My best, Nancy Keenan President, NARAL Pro-Choice America --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
dem's attempts to steal election in Ohio fizzles
attempts by the dem sec of state to circumvent Ohio voting laws, and nobama's voting group acorn, to register illegal voters has fizzled. only 4000 people broke the law and registered and voted on the same day. nice try though on another note, the dem sec of state's attempt to discount McCain absentee ballots was rebuffed by the state supreme court who told her her actions were illegal, and all ballots were to be counted. nice try --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Democrat Case for McCain
the truth shall set you free On Oct 6, 7:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two things Republicans and Democrats can agree on: 1) John McCain is a flawed candidate; and 2) he is infinitely preferable to Barack Obama. Tom In Paine makes the Democrat case for McCain. Highlights: The truth is, there are more good reasons to defeat Obama and the Obamacrats than to elect him, even for the staunchest of Democrats. For those who actually think Barack Obama is qualified to be President, no amount of truth, logic or reason is going to change their minds. To do so means having to admit they were taken in and made fools of, and as any cop will tell you, most con men get away with their con because their marks are so embarrassed to admit they were taken they just keep quiet. Obama is simply unfit to be President in any way. Whether it was his serial lying about his relationship with Jeremiah Wright and what he knew and when he knew it, and the fact that he was more than willing to tolerate Wright's views of 911, and his views on race and never felt offended enough to walk out, to his lying to the people of Ohio about NAFTA and his other reversals and broken pledges on everything from public financing of campaigns to FISA, he is simply not someone you want to take home to the White House. Aside from his dishonesty, clinical narcissism and almost pathological lack of conscience, he has no ability to do the job he is seeking and has never in his life ever exhibited even the smallest evidence that he could do it. On the basis of integrity, there is nothing to consider. Obama has no integrity and as far as we can see from his past, never did. McCain on the other hand, though one can disagree with some of his policies, has in fact demonstrated that he is willing to stand up for what he believes, and more importantly, stand up to Republicans […] Like it or not, the record shows McCain is the real reformer and the real deal, while Obama is what most of the 18 million Democrats who voted against him know him to be — a snake oil salesman who has managed to bamboozle a lot of dumb, and impressionable people […] especially the dumb media blonds like Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and almost everyone at Newsweek, the NY times and CNN who he has eating out of hand. The other thing to keep in mind about McCain is that he is rated last by conservative groups in supporting conservative legislation. His voting record is ranked 49th among Republican Senators by conservative watch dog groups which is why a lot of conservatives cant stand him. In other words, disaffected liberal Democrats who cant possibly in good conscience vote for Obama could do a lot worse than bringing McCain home to mother. How absurd is the idea of Obama as President? Think about Obama being put in charge of the country's nuclear codes. If I were certain America could survive four years of Obama, I'd be tempted to lay out the conservative case for voting for him. An Obama Administration would leave the Democrat Party in ruins for at least a generation. Remember David Dinkins? Even ultra-liberal New York City has never elected a Democrat Mayor since. If Dinkins led to Giuliani, and Carter led to Reagan, Obama ought to lead to George Washington's return from the grave. Also, imagine how people will turn on the mainstream media once they realize the bill of goods they've been sold. However, an unprincipled left-wing radical with a life-long habit of surrounding himself with people who vehemently hate America could do enough damage that the idea of just letting the Democrats crash the bus and take the consequences is out of the question. Conservatives and liberals alike have a duty to put the good of the country first by keeping this tasteless joke away from the White House. http://www.moonbattery.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: is this what palin sees in her dreams ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O85H5apA2nsNR=1 On Oct 7, 1:47 am, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFPVCfQ7uxM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Inept, ineffecient useless! ( America supine.)
Democracy wasted on the witless. On Oct 7, 8:19 am, Dr. Dec DeClan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AND you want to elect ANOTHER President! By means of a wasteful, expensive, unwieldy 3-tier ( primaries, General Election, Electoral College) system!. Why? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings
Warren Buffett just invested 3 billion in GE's common stock- Oct.2 =another option for sound companies. On Oct 6, 1:54 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big Companies such as Microsoft and GE have said before the bailout was approved that they risk insolvency if a credit crunch sets in, there will be no money to buy back shares. On Oct 7, 5:19 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be a bonus for sound companies- they should start buying back their own stock. On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tumultuous events of today augur in the complete meltdown of the world economy, markets will continue to spiral out of control as they open across the world following another Wall St collapse. The 2008 US presidential election has already been rendered meaningless before it has even been held, because any prospect of social programs is now to be shelved. Rather, an amount equivalent to $2,300 for every man, woman and child in the US is to be transferred to the wealthy. One of the first questions asked by the moderator in the first presidential debate was: which government programs are you advocating be cut back in view of the bailout plan? All were agreed there would have to be cuts—that was accepted, a given. The American ruling class cannot carry out its program democratically, and therefore we see, in the measures proposed by Treasury Secretary Paulson, the sinews of a dictatorship. The initial text sent to the Congress, supposedly the legislative body with oversight over expenditures, was barely three pages long—less paperwork, one commentator noted in the New York Times, than was required for a subprime mortgage! According to the initial text, among the powers available to the Treasury secretary, “without limitation,” will be “designating financial institutions as financial agents of the government” able to perform “all such reasonable duties related to this Act.” This means that the same financial institutions that engaged in the speculative and, in some cases, outright criminal activities that led to the crisis, are to be called on to help the Treasury organise the bailout. As a recent article on the WSWS noted, the term “conflict of interest” does not even begin to cover what is taking place. Moreover, the plan provides for legal immunity for the Treasury. “Decisions by the secretary pursuant to the authority are non- reviewable ... and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.” As an article in the New York Times of September 23 pointed out, with these words “the Treasury secretary—whoever that may be in a few months —would be vested with the most incredible powers ever bestowed on one person over the economic and financial life of the United States. It is the financial equivalent of the Patriot Act, after 9/11.” The Times described Paulson’s proposed legislation as “the most amazing power grab in the history of the American economy.” A long established axiom of economics and politics holds that in a crisis, real relations are laid bare, as the accidental and the inessential are stripped away. And this is the case in this crisis. Not government of the people, by the people and for the people; not the “free market” in which the decisions of millions of people determine economic outcomes; but government of, by, and for the wealthy. Not democracy and a land of laws, but a dictatorship of finance capital. The wars of plunder launched by American imperialism in Afghanistan and Iraq, the aim of which is to control oil and other resources in the interests of US finance capital, are now being openly fought on the home front. They will be accompanied by a deepening of the assault on democratic rights, initiated in the so-called “war on terror.” This is where the American working class and the working class throughout the world will come forward and perform their historical destiny and clear away the old order auguring in a new and wondrous future for all mankind- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rule
how does one dispute lies murky. you should know being the consummate liar, so teach me the fine points. how does one dispute lies? putz and THE DEMS ARE IN CHARGE. On Oct 7, 6:47 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so the answer is no you can't dispute and of the points made . On Oct 7, 6:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: simple answer for your simple mind. YOU DEMS ARE IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS. and any poll conducted by the daily kooks is about as honest as you being a repulican. you crack me up murky, always good for a laugh. putz On Oct 7, 6:20 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can you dispute any of the points made in this article oh witless one ? On Oct 7, 6:17 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bwahahahahahahaha snicker snicker hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha On Oct 7, 6:13 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rulehttp://www.alternet.org/election08/101872/ The overarching reality of the country is that we've lived under unchallenged Republican rule, and the country has virtually collapsed on every level. There are few things that make political coverage more unbearable -- and more distorting -- than The David Brooks Syndrome: the extremely patronizing and ill-informed pretense, shared by media and right-wing elites alike, that they can study the Little Common Person like a zoo animal, and then translate and give voice to their simple-minded, good- hearted, salt-of-the-earth perspectives. Rarely has this mentality been so transparent as in the wake of the Biden-Palin debate, as pundits and right-wing polemicists like Brooks, Peggy Noonan and Rich Starbursts Lowry rushed forward to proclaim giddily that Regular Americans would love Sarah Palin and this love could even help McCain win, despite -- or, really, because of -- her vapid, content-free telegenic presence. Actual empirical evidence -- called polling data -- has almost uniformly demonstrated how false these condescending pats on the head are, as every single poll conducted thus far (at least that I'm aware of) found that Americans believed that Biden won and is the far more serious candidate for office, and huge numbers continue to have profound doubts about Palin's fitness for office. And the first tracking poll to report a full post-debate day of polling -- the Research 2000 poll for Daily Kos -- finds Obama with a 13-point lead, his largest ever. This joint right-wing/pundit claim that Americans would swoon in the face of Palin's empty chatter, self-conscious folksiness and chronic, seizure-like winking says much more about those making the claim than it does about their Regular People subjects. As polling data conclusively demonstrates, the mindset of the voting public is infinitely more rational and substance-based than the pundits and the Right fantasize when they lyrically praise the Regular American -- at least it is in this time of perceived (and actual crisis). What's happening in this country, and in this election, is rather simple and easy to see: (1) the country is in total shambles -- possibly far worse than what people even realize; (2) we have lived for the last eight years under virtually absolute GOP rule; (3) the public knows this; (4) the Republican President and his party are therefore intensely -- historically -- unpopular; and (5) the voting public doesn't want to continue living under the rule of the same faction and same political party that has driven the country into the ground. Having Sarah Palin drop her gerund endings and desperately trotting out the standard, tired GOP attack ads to depict Obama as a radical, fist-pumping, America-hating, unhinged socialist -- when everyone can see with their own eyes that he isn't -- won't change any of that. 12Next page »- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Obama and ACORN: You Can Run But You Can’t Hide
Barack Obama is running as fast and as far away from his association with the radical group ACORN as he can, but he can’t hide from the facts of his close relationship with the organization. ACORN, or Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, describes itself as a “non-partisan” group devoted to helping the poor and to registering millions to vote. Critics accuse ACORN of involvement vote fraud, voter intimidation, shakedowns against businesses, and the promotion of socialist class hatred and class warfare. Apparently worried by the connection between Obama and the group, his campaign has put claims of his ties to ACORN as the lead item on its “Fight The Smears” Web site — a site the Obama campaign created to counter what they claim are partisan lies made up against their candidate. The release on the Obama site reads: “When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, ‘I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. “So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.” Indeed, Obama was being far too modest. The 2008 Democratic presidential nominee had worked not just alongside ACORN, but also as a key operative for the organization. He was its lawyer in several pivotal ACORN cases. Obama funded a number of its activities, as well. When he sat on the board of the prestigious Woods Fund for Chicago alongside former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, he oversaw and approved many grants for ACORN. As the National Review’s Stanley Kurtz reported, one Woods committee report boasted that the fund’s “non-ideological” public image “enabled the Trustees to make grants to organizations that use confrontational tactics against the business and government ‘establishments’ without undue risk of being accused of partisanship.” Obama was the Illinois director of ACORN’s controversial voter registration operation, and he trained the group’s leaders in the ways of radical, sometimes illegal, confrontational politics. He also paid ACORN affiliates during his recent Democratic primary contest. For example, leading up to the 2008 Ohio Democratic Primary, Obama’s campaign between Feb. 25 and March 17 paid Citizens Services, Inc., a subsidiary of ACORN, $832,598, apparently for get-out-the-vote activities. ACORN’s four co-founders were 1960s New Leftists. One was George Wiley, whose National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO) members practiced confrontation politics, e.g., swarming into welfare offices and bullying social workers. The second ACORN co-founder was NWRO organizer Gary Delgado. ACORN’s other founders and longtime bosses were former Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) activist Wade Rathke, a close NWRO ally, and his brother Dale. http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_acorn_smears/2008/10/06/137891.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: dem's attempts to steal election in Ohio fizzles
What should be done is throw every single voter registration that has ever
been submitted by a person other than the actual person registering. In
every case of voter registration the person must register in person and
provide actual proof of eligibility to vote or in the caase of those not
physically able to get to the registrar's office, a certified employee of
the registrar's office may go to the person's residence and get a completed
registeration form completed by the actual person.
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:00 AM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
attempts by the dem sec of state to circumvent Ohio voting laws, and
nobama's voting group acorn, to register illegal voters has fizzled.
only 4000 people broke the law and registered and voted on the same
day. nice try though
on another note, the dem sec of state's attempt to discount McCain
absentee ballots was rebuffed by the state supreme court who told her
her actions were illegal, and all ballots were to be counted. nice
try
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Forwarded: National Security Archive Columbian Material Declassified
The following declassified material may be of interested to those individuals interested in the History of Columbia, international concern over massacre and torture, and the limits of interference. There are Spanish and English archived materials. Trujillo Declassified Documenting Colombia's 'tragedy without end' Documents Detail U.S. Concerns about Impunity in Major Human Rights Case For more information contact: Michael Evans - 202/994-7029 http://www.nsarchive.org Washington, DC, October 5, 2008 - As Colombian prosecutors begin to reopen investigations against individuals connected to one of the worst massacres in the country's modern history, the National Security Archive today publishes on the Web a collection of declassified documents detailing U.S. concerns about the wall of impunity that has long surrounded the case. These documents are central to an article published this weekend in Spanish on the Web site of Semana magazine, Colombia's largest newsweekly. An English version of the article is available on the Archive Web site - http://www.nsarchive.org/colombia - and on the Web site of the new Semana International. The new movement on the Trujillo massacre follows closely the release of a major new report on the case, the first issued by the Historical Memory Group (GMH) of the National Commission on Reparations and Reconciliation (CNRR). Led by a distinguished group of researchers, the GMH is charged with writing a comprehensive history of the Colombian conflict focusing on the country's illegal armed groups. The Archive's Colombia Documentation Project is proud to be assisting the GMH and other researchers with investigations of the major human rights cases over the last four decades of violence in Colombia. Visit the Web site of the National Security Archive for more information about today's posting. http://www.nsarchive.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A bloodbath of greed and misbehavior
ROFLMAO! - Original Message - From: Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: A bloodbath of greed and misbehavior http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdN4hA-rB0 On Oct 7, 5:16 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By this stage, there can be no doubt, even to the dyed-in-the-wool capitalist proponents: the chickens are coming to roost! The mountain of debt, based on fictitious money, that is capitalism’s “lifeblood,” is now falling as an avalanche that threatens to sweep the Old Order to oblivion. Pundits talk of a “bloodbath,” “greed” and “misbehaviour” by the financial elite. This is all bollocks. The capital enterprises went there, because there was profit to be made, as analysed by Marx and Engels more than 150 years ago. Attempts are also made to shift the blame on the victim, in accordance with the “individual responsibility” principle, so beloved of the neo-cons. Now, the whole elaborate ideological superstructure is being revealed as a house of cards, the corpse of capitalism is on life support, ready to be taken out feet first. But then, where are the gravediggers? At this time, this situation recalls the darkest days of 1915, a time of utter confusion and disorientation of the working class; but at least there was a Bolshevik Party to drive a progressive political perspective and clarity. Today, despite worldwide discontent, the pauperisation and the rising consciousness of the masses of the working people, there is no attempt to organise a mass movement that would challenge capitalism. A mood of hopelessness and helplessness takes over, leading to a widely held view that “there is no alternative” to the capitalist mode of production. The result is widespread cynicism and alienation of the population towards political parties, the state and its institutions, and big business. There are continuing signs of a deep social malaise and alienation, as witnessed in a comparative “backwater” of Finland just recently. As Rosa Luxemburg remarked about 90 years ago, mankind stands before a stark choice: “either socialism or barbarism”; and, of course, the corollary is also true: without socialism, there will be barbarism. This is why the role of WSWS and SEP is so crucial, and even more so in these uncertain and potentially revolutionary times of ferment and rising working class consciousness. The challenge is to begin to form a mass socialist revolutionary movement from what still remains, a largely marginal propagandist activity. Of crucial importance is a membership drive to widen support amongst the working class, with all the benefits of a mass movement, such as political weight and effectiveness. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Questionable Rise Of Barack Obama
This one is pure Onion Gold. Thanks! CW It's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. Barack Hussein Obama April 6, 2008 - Original Message - From: Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: The Questionable Rise Of Barack Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgVUxmjf0G8 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Questionable Rise Of Barack Obama
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Re: Inept, ineffecient useless! ( America supine.)
Witless? I think not... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viVAAy_qkx0 ;-) On Oct 7, 8:23 am, Dr. Dec DeClan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Democracy wasted on the witless. On Oct 7, 8:19 am, Dr. Dec DeClan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AND you want to elect ANOTHER President! By means of a wasteful, expensive, unwieldy 3-tier ( primaries, General Election, Electoral College) system!. Why?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: dem's attempts to steal election in Ohio fizzles
this whole issue is nothing but a straw man argument used to justify
keeping democrats and independents from voting !
On Oct 7, 7:28 am, Buckshot Bubba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What should be done is throw every single voter registration that has ever
been submitted by a person other than the actual person registering. In
every case of voter registration the person must register in person and
provide actual proof of eligibility to vote or in the caase of those not
physically able to get to the registrar's office, a certified employee of
the registrar's office may go to the person's residence and get a completed
registeration form completed by the actual person.
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:00 AM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
attempts by the dem sec of state to circumvent Ohio voting laws, and
nobama's voting group acorn, to register illegal voters has fizzled.
only 4000 people broke the law and registered and voted on the same
day. nice try though
on another note, the dem sec of state's attempt to discount McCain
absentee ballots was rebuffed by the state supreme court who told her
her actions were illegal, and all ballots were to be counted. nice
try
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Re: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rule
bush/ Reagan republicans never take responsibility for their actions On Oct 7, 8:33 am, margareth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sad thing is that in the approach to the election, the GOP has discovered an elephant in the room, and that they are going to vote for it. That is interesting, as the elephant is probably a better choice than either their presidential, or their vice presidential candidate. Of course they have to take credit for the candidate they provided eight years ago. On Oct 7, 6:55 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: point out any lies that are in this article if you can . On Oct 7, 6:51 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how does one dispute lies murky. you should know being the consummate liar, so teach me the fine points. how does one dispute lies? putz and THE DEMS ARE IN CHARGE. On Oct 7, 6:47 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so the answer is no you can't dispute and of the points made . On Oct 7, 6:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: simple answer for your simple mind. YOU DEMS ARE IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS. and any poll conducted by the daily kooks is about as honest as you being a repulican. you crack me up murky, always good for a laugh. putz On Oct 7, 6:20 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can you dispute any of the points made in this article oh witless one ? On Oct 7, 6:17 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bwahahahahahahaha snicker snicker hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha On Oct 7, 6:13 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rulehttp://www.alternet.org/election08/101872/ The overarching reality of the country is that we've lived under unchallenged Republican rule, and the country has virtually collapsed on every level. There are few things that make political coverage more unbearable -- and more distorting -- than The David Brooks Syndrome: the extremely patronizing and ill-informed pretense, shared by media and right-wing elites alike, that they can study the Little Common Person like a zoo animal, and then translate and give voice to their simple-minded, good- hearted, salt-of-the-earth perspectives. Rarely has this mentality been so transparent as in the wake of the Biden-Palin debate, as pundits and right-wing polemicists like Brooks, Peggy Noonan and Rich Starbursts Lowry rushed forward to proclaim giddily that Regular Americans would love Sarah Palin and this love could even help McCain win, despite -- or, really, because of -- her vapid, content-free telegenic presence. Actual empirical evidence -- called polling data -- has almost uniformly demonstrated how false these condescending pats on the head are, as every single poll conducted thus far (at least that I'm aware of) found that Americans believed that Biden won and is the far more serious candidate for office, and huge numbers continue to have profound doubts about Palin's fitness for office. And the first tracking poll to report a full post-debate day of polling -- the Research 2000 poll for Daily Kos -- finds Obama with a 13-point lead, his largest ever. This joint right-wing/pundit claim that Americans would swoon in the face of Palin's empty chatter, self-conscious folksiness and chronic, seizure-like winking says much more about those making the claim than it does about their Regular People subjects. As polling data conclusively demonstrates, the mindset of the voting public is infinitely more rational and substance-based than the pundits and the Right fantasize when they lyrically praise the Regular American -- at least it is in this time of perceived (and actual crisis). What's happening in this country, and in this election, is rather simple and easy to see: (1) the country is in total shambles -- possibly far worse than what people even realize; (2) we have lived for the last eight years under virtually absolute GOP rule; (3) the public knows this; (4) the Republican President and his party are therefore intensely -- historically -- unpopular; and (5) the voting public doesn't want to continue living under the rule of the same faction and same political party that has driven the country into the ground. Having Sarah Palin drop her gerund endings and desperately
Re: mccain is erratic in a crisis, !
the capitalist system isn't broken it works fine when there are regulations in place it is only when we allowed the GOP to remove the protections put in place after the depression that the trouble started . On Oct 7, 8:07 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are they going to deal with these problems? What do you think? It's pointless slagging off the GOP if you can't offer a genuine way forward and the Dems certainly can't Look at Pelosi, what a fifthly right wing demagogue she is, she's as bad as C. Rice. European stock markets in freefall following Paris financial summit Robert Quinn, analyst at Standard Poor’s--“The banking system doesn’t work any more, it’s just broken.” On Oct 7, 11:01 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All these posts and not one of them deals with the finacial tsunami wiping out the world economy. McCain isn't the only one in crisis, the capitalist sytem is being exposed for the miserable failure that it is. These elections are a non-event, the GOP and the Dems are incapable of any progressive policies, they don't know how to deal with this catastrophe, and that's what will be demanded of them. They are good for nothing at all. On Oct 7, 8:13 pm, [ Republican for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama to Preempt McCain Assault http://www.truthout.org/100608K Branding his opponent as erratic in a crisis, Sen. Barack Obama, D- Ill., is preempting plans by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to portray him as having sinister connections to controversial Chicagoans. Obama officials call it political jujitsu - turning the attacks back on the attacker. McCain officials had said early in the weekend that they plan to begin advertising after Tuesday's debate that will tie Obama to convicted money launderer Tony Rezko and former Weathermen radical William Ayers. But Obama isn't waiting to respond. His campaign is going up Monday on national cable stations with a scathing ad saying: Three quarters of a million jobs lost this year. Our financial system in turmoil. And John McCain? Erratic in a crisis. Out of touch on the economy. No wonder his campaign wants to change the subject. Turn the page on the financial crisis by launching dishonorable, dishonest 'assaults' against Barack Obama. Struggling families can't turn the page on this economy, and we can't afford another president who is this out of touch. Then Obama says: I'm Barack Obama and I approved this message. McCain officials told Politico that the new offensive is likely to focus on Rezko and Ayers. The officials said the campaign will not bring up the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor, because McCain has forbade them from using that as a weapon. Without being specific, the officials said outside groups may focus on Wright. When word of the planned attacks leaked Saturday, Obama officials said within hours that it was an attempt by McCain to distract voters from the economy. We think the McCain campaign made a huge error by telling the press that their strategy was to distract from the most important issue facing voters, a senior Obama official said. Every attack going forward will be easy to characterize for what it is - an attempt to distract from the Bush-McCain economic record. McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds hinted at the tough new line Saturday on Fox Friends. There are associations that are important to who Barack Obama is as a candidate, who he'd be as president, Bounds said. Obama-Biden communications director Dan Pfeiffer said about the new ads: If John McCain thinks he can 'turn the page' on the economic crisis facing American families, he is even more out of touch than we imagined. Now there may be no good answers for John McCain due to his erratic response to the financial crisis, but his desire to avoid discussing the economy is something we will remind voters of everyday for the next month- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mythbusting Update: The Fox News Audience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uql1avoyizc On Oct 6, 9:06 am, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn Beck has grown on me over time. Men seem to like him. I don't know why he must mention he is a recovering alcoholic every single show. Lou Dobbs doesn't fit into my schedule. CW - Original Message - From: Travis To: PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Mythbusting Update: The Fox News Audience CNN has what I consider to be the two best news/opinion shows on tv: Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by CW via Google Reader: Mythbusting Update: The Fox News Audience via johnny dollar's place on 10/5/08 Two months ago, when Fox haters erupted over the hiring of Howard Wolfson, we repeatedly heard a common smear: Democrats can pretend that there are independents watching Fox News, but the data is clear -- it is the most reliably Republican outlet in the nation. Our analysis shot down that canard. The numbers showed that more Democrats watched Fox News than either MSNBC or CNN. But Pew has a new poll out with a slightly different breakdown in news channel viewership, and of course ratings always fluctuate. So it's time to update our analysis to see if FNC still has the most fair and balanced audience. We go first to the latest findings from the Pew Research Center, whose work is respected throughout the media. Their annual survey of cable news audiences now shows: a.. FNC: 39% Republican, 33% Democratic, 22% Independent b.. CNN: 18% Republican, 51% Democratic, 23% Independent c.. MSNBC: 18% Republican, 45% Democratic, 27% Independent Compared to last year, all three channels have a slight uptick in their Democratic precentage, while CNN shows a 4% drop in its GOP audience. Now we correlate the new Pew findings with the latest primetime quarterly cable news ratings, issued on October 1: a.. FNC: 2,198,000 viewers b.. CNN: 1,342,000 viewers c.. MSNBC: 867,000 viewers Breaking these down according to the percentages reported by Pew, we find the following: a.. FNC: 857,000 Republicans b.. CNN: 242,000 Republicans c.. MSNBC: 156,000 Republicans a.. FNC: 725,000 Democrats b.. CNN: 684,000 Democrats c.. MSNBC: 390,000 Democrats a.. FNC: 484,000 Independents b.. CNN: 309,000 Independents c.. MSNBC: 234,000 Independents As in our previous report, we relied on the primetime audience ratings. This time we'll also do the math with total day viewership to see if the patterns still hold: a.. FNC: 438,000 Republicans b.. CNN: 128,000 Republicans c.. MSNBC: 85,000 Republicans a.. FNC: 371,000 Democrats b.. CNN: 364,000 Democrats c.. MSNBC: 213,000 Democrats a.. FNC: 247,000 Independents b.. CNN: 164,000 Independents c.. MSNBC: 128,000 Independents The results could not be more clear. In both total day and primetime, the Fox News audience is far more balanced ideologically than those of the other news channels. And once again, more Democrats watch FNC than either MSNBC or CNN. fox bias fnc http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/awp244917045.html- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Lone Wolf
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Re: dem's attempts to steal election in Ohio fizzles
Perfect! Absolutely perfect!! LMAO!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF5Kdm4Eu6w
On Oct 7, 9:08 am, [ a patriotic Republican ]
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this whole issue is nothing but a straw man argument used to justify
keeping democrats and independents from voting !
On Oct 7, 7:28 am, Buckshot Bubba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What should be done is throw every single voter registration that has
ever
been submitted by a person other than the actual person registering. In
every case of voter registration the person must register in person and
provide actual proof of eligibility to vote or in the caase of those not
physically able to get to the registrar's office, a certified employee
of
the registrar's office may go to the person's residence and get a
completed
registeration form completed by the actual person.
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:00 AM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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attempts by the dem sec of state to circumvent Ohio voting laws, and
nobama's voting group acorn, to register illegal voters has fizzled.
only 4000 people broke the law and registered and voted on the same
day. nice try though
on another note, the dem sec of state's attempt to discount McCain
absentee ballots was rebuffed by the state supreme court who told her
her actions were illegal, and all ballots were to be counted. nice
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John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout:
John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout: the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s. But voters deserve to know that the failed philosophy and culture of corruption that created the savings and loan crisis then are alive in the current crisis -- and in John McCain's plans for our economic future. We just released a short documentary about John McCain's role in that financial crisis -- watch it now and share it with your friends: http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo Voters should know the facts about John McCain's poor judgment -- judgment that has twice placed him on the wrong side of history. Please forward this email to everyone you know. Thanks, David David Plouffe Campaign Manager Obama for America --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout:
McCain was acquitted of all charges. On Oct 7, 9:21 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout: the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s. But voters deserve to know that the failed philosophy and culture of corruption that created the savings and loan crisis then are alive in the current crisis -- and in John McCain's plans for our economic future. We just released a short documentary about John McCain's role in that financial crisis -- watch it now and share it with your friends: http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo Voters should know the facts about John McCain's poor judgment -- judgment that has twice placed him on the wrong side of history. Please forward this email to everyone you know. Thanks, David David Plouffe Campaign Manager Obama for America --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Bailout Blame Game
Bailout Blame Game by Christopher Westley | Posted on 10/7/2008 When the bailout passed last week, no one was surprised. In fact, what looked like a principled opposition to massive legal theft on Monday was transformed into a done backroom deal by Friday once the bill ballooned from three to 400-plus pages, filled with crumbs that congressmen could throw to their districts. It may be that, 25 years from now, economic historians will note socialized credit markets came to America in exchange for production credits for marine renewables and new regulations for residential top-load clothes washers, which were among many of the riders added to the bailout legislation as the infamous week wore on. Personally, I am still a long-term optimist, but as a student of the Depression I know that Congress and the executive can do much damage before the long term gets here, and indeed, they can delay its arrival indefinitely. Will the conservatives who supported this legislation lay into a President Obama two or three years hence, in the event that the economy devolves into a repeat of the 1970s, thanks in large part to government's attempt to forestall market forces over the last two weeks? This seems likely. Our current problems resulted from the infusion of credit in the past. To think that infusion today will not have the same effect in the future is to challenge pesky things like natural and economic laws. Since societies that challenge them risk peril, I thought it may be helpful to at least identify some of the people whose actions and ideas helped turn the tide last week. Their numbers are many, and any list will by necessity be abridged. Still, if the health of a society and culture is related to the quality of the theories that are accepted, then knowing some of the sources of bad theories is key for turning the tide back again. Besides, blame games can be fun. My own version involves taking a swig of Victory Gin whenever the following names pop up in bailout analyses. Karl Marx He predicted this, sort of, in the fifth plank of the Communist Manifesto, which discusses the inevitability of socialized capital markets in the capitalist countries. The problem is that he believed this would happen because of inherent characteristics in the market system, whereas in truth there is nothing within capitalism per se that motivated Messrs. Bush, Paulson, and Bernanke. In terms of understanding capital, Marx fails in comparison to the Austrian Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk, while those who want to understand the underlying forces explaining government growth would best avoid Marx and read Böhm-Bawerk's student, Ludwig von Mises, on economic interventionism. Nonetheless, there is great irony in the fact that, 17 years after the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States decided that market forces fail when it comes to capital. Somewhere, this slovenly German malcontent must be smiling. Lawrence Halprin You may not know this name or how it relates to our current mess, but rest assured, it is closely tied to it. This is because Halprin designed the pretentious and misleading memorial to Franklin Roosevelt that is on the National Mall in Washington, DC. Passersby learn how fear is a great justification for government expansion, which helps inform how the promulgation of unfounded fear was key to the bailout's success last week. They also learn how Roosevelt's bold actions, in the midst of the Depression helped combat it. This is also a myth. As my Mises Institute colleague Bob Murphy noted in an email last week, the facts are that Roosevelt's bold interventions prolonged the Depression, turning it into the only market correction that is associated with an entire decade. (The Depression actually lasted 16 years.) Yet somehow, today, questioning the Roosevelt Myth is like pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. Halprin's contribution in promoting this myth was poignant last week. Are there similar shrines dedicated to Stalin (to whom FDR referred warmly as his Uncle Joe) somewhere on the outskirts of Moscow, replete with the man in grandfatherly pose and pet dog nearby? Joseph Bristow One cannot discuss the centralization of power in the 20th century without noting the contribution of this senator from Kansas who spearheaded the 17th Amendment into the Constitution. Before Bristow, senators were selected by state legislators, but after him, senators were selected through popular election. The result has been the nationalization of senate elections, irrelevance of state legislatures, weakening of states' constitutional check on the executive branch, and diminution of states' rights. Given the bailout's overwhelming political opposition, it is hard to believe that a senate that had to answer to state legislatures would have supported this bill. Murray Rothbard once wrote about repealing the 20th century. If this isn't possible, then we should settle for repealing the Progressive Era instead. George W. Bush He ran as a
Re: The Lone Wolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm0w2D8vuJQfeature=related On Oct 5, 10:25 pm, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As of today I reveal my true identity, I am no longer the mild mannered Marxist Frank, I am the all seeing, all knowing “lone wolf”, the voice of reason ostracised into the wilderness, a political exile, an exile that nevertheless has maintained his political line when it seemed foolish—impossible. A world economic meltdown—ludicrous, ridiculous, they said, it can never happen, not here, not in the USA. Yet as the day of reckoning has arrived and the markets plummet into oblivion all over the world after the passing of the much vaunted but impotent bailout, there are still those that say it’s not happening. No, not US capitalism, the finest democracy a money can buy, the home of the Harlem Globe Trotters, Friends and Everyone hates Raymond. The home of intellectual luminaries such as Bush, Palin, Obama, Biden, Oprah, Judge Judy and Jerry Springer. Such a centre of culture and learning lost to man for all time, rating alongside the other great modern empire of our time –“The Third Reich” Time to get this revolution underway. The Lone Wolf --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Demand that Obama release his college records! Where is the media?
Why is it important to see Obama's college records? Because the media has created fantasies around Obama on every issue. You should start dispelling them with the easiest one, i.e. the fantasy of Obama's academic degrees and honors. Obama has been fighting desperately to block all access to his college records. Even his academic paper at Columbia mysteriously disappeared. The media just swallowed the official Obama's academic degrees and honors without checking his actual grades, his scores on standardized tests, his academic writings if any, etc. All the decisions to admit Obama to colleges, to give him academic degrees and honors were made by a few unknown individuals. Read about the racial turmoil at one college where he got his academic honors. The race tensions seem to follow Obama wherever he goes. If Obama's college records fail to meet the requirements for legitimate academic degrees and honors then Obama will be declared an academic fraud. Maybe then the media will start vetting Obama on other issues. Then we will be able to address the biggest fantasies like Obama's ability to solve the financial crisis which requires making executive decisions. Obama never made a single real executive decision in his life! How will Obama be able to attract quality people if he has a long history of attracting and being attracted to the worst kind? Any Hollywood actor can read a teleprompter and memorize talking points written by secret handlers. If Obama gets elected and turns the United States into a war-torn country like Kenya then his college records will mysteriously leak, but then it could be too late. I am asking everybody to request at least one major news network to make it an election issue. Ask others to do the same. Since Obama has built his political career around his academic degrees and honors, all his college records (complete set of grades, scores on standardized tests, etc) must be released. Keep in mind that Obama's supporters have saturated media outlets and internet bandwidth for the last two years with stories of Obama's academic degrees and honors. Now they viciously attack those who want to see Obama's grades and scores on standardized tests. Obama's academic degrees and honors without checking his grades and his scores on standardized tests are like good standing of Enron or Fannie Mae before they collapsed. You would be surprised what racial accusations, threats, boycotts can do to academic integrity at US colleges! Some websites to submit your requests: http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2 http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3068843 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/ http://www.cnn.com/feedback/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html http://www.cbsnews.com/ Some websites to read about Obama's academic career: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.html http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501status=articleid=307579834298611 http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/ http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1218710381368pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=74877 http://reason.com/news/show/128461.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The desperation of the McCain / Palin campaign
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It is Time to Revolt! (from TeenDemocrats.org)
IT IS TIME TO REVOLT! You are right: we like video games, Ipods, sports, bikes, cars, brand names. But we are not oblivious When the folly of politicians Outrageous and obvious! Cons squandered our future Sold out our great nation for big corporations A coalition of grumpy corrupt old men Weapon merchants and oilmen Preach patriotism, talk about victory While it is our blood being shed While it is our future being spent It is time to revolt! TeenDemocrats will vote! YESTERDAY, TODAY, TOMORROW Yesterday, we were blinded in a holy smoke We elected Republicans who are pros to provoke We trusted snakes, oilmen, merchants of arms Faith-healers, war-mongers with cunning charms Today, we inherit an economy worse than hurricane The culprits now have the audacity to prop up McCane Today, we are hated abroad, looming disasters are big Yet, they wave a plain lipstick to fool us with an old rig Senator who cannot count the fancy houses he owns Wants us to believe that he understands Janes and Jones He is tough, he sings bomb, bomb, bomb; he is a hero! He will wage seven wars with a budget far below zero Today we are going to choose our tomorrow! No more plunder, no more wars on the borrow! We shall work harder, smarter; we shall unite To peace, progress, and egality we TeenDemocrats invite! Let's end this era that's brought far too much drama Everyone put your hands together for Barack H. Obama!!! *** Please SHARE these poems with your contacts until the night of the upcoming election. You may also want to share the Nineteen Arguments for Change at: http://teendemocrats.org/nineteen.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Non-Partisan Voter Guide with 14 Presidential Candidates
I just made a non-partisan voter guide for the 2008 Presidential election with the 14 Presidential candidates on the Florida ballot. Many - if not most - of them are on other states' ballots as well. It's a PDF (less than 1 MB) available for download at http://www.sproutmeansgrow.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bailout Blame Game
Over 75 percent of white Americans own their home, and less than 50 percent of Hispanos and African Americans don't own their home. And that's a gap, that's a homeownership gap. And we've got to do something about it. —GWB, Cleveland, Ohio, July 1, 2002 I wonder what it was he did about it? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
AIG execs take bailout $ to spa
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Re: The Death Agony of Capitalism.........and the fat lady sings
Howleluiah, Lone Wolf!!! He also believes in the company which is why individuals invest in a company. (Charlie Rose interview last week) On Oct 7, 6:53 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buffet is fighting for his own survival which is tied to the to the preservation of the system. The CEO of GE was furious when the the bailout wasn't passed because GE relies on short term money markets to function. Buffet is not making an investment, he is providing liquidity to keep them operating. On Oct 7, 9:56 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warren Buffett just invested 3 billion in GE's common stock- Oct.2 =another option for sound companies. On Oct 6, 1:54 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big Companies such as Microsoft and GE have said before the bailout was approved that they risk insolvency if a credit crunch sets in, there will be no money to buy back shares. On Oct 7, 5:19 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be a bonus for sound companies- they should start buying back their own stock. On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tumultuous events of today augur in the complete meltdown of the world economy, markets will continue to spiral out of control as they open across the world following another Wall St collapse. The 2008 US presidential election has already been rendered meaningless before it has even been held, because any prospect of social programs is now to be shelved. Rather, an amount equivalent to $2,300 for every man, woman and child in the US is to be transferred to the wealthy. One of the first questions asked by the moderator in the first presidential debate was: which government programs are you advocating be cut back in view of the bailout plan? All were agreed there would have to be cuts—that was accepted, a given. The American ruling class cannot carry out its program democratically, and therefore we see, in the measures proposed by Treasury Secretary Paulson, the sinews of a dictatorship. The initial text sent to the Congress, supposedly the legislative body with oversight over expenditures, was barely three pages long—less paperwork, one commentator noted in the New York Times, than was required for a subprime mortgage! According to the initial text, among the powers available to the Treasury secretary, “without limitation,” will be “designating financial institutions as financial agents of the government” able to perform “all such reasonable duties related to this Act.” This means that the same financial institutions that engaged in the speculative and, in some cases, outright criminal activities that led to the crisis, are to be called on to help the Treasury organise the bailout. As a recent article on the WSWS noted, the term “conflict of interest” does not even begin to cover what is taking place. Moreover, the plan provides for legal immunity for the Treasury. “Decisions by the secretary pursuant to the authority are non- reviewable ... and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.” As an article in the New York Times of September 23 pointed out, with these words “the Treasury secretary—whoever that may be in a few months —would be vested with the most incredible powers ever bestowed on one person over the economic and financial life of the United States. It is the financial equivalent of the Patriot Act, after 9/11.” The Times described Paulson’s proposed legislation as “the most amazing power grab in the history of the American economy.” A long established axiom of economics and politics holds that in a crisis, real relations are laid bare, as the accidental and the inessential are stripped away. And this is the case in this crisis. Not government of the people, by the people and for the people; not the “free market” in which the decisions of millions of people determine economic outcomes; but government of, by, and for the wealthy. Not democracy and a land of laws, but a dictatorship of finance capital. The wars of plunder launched by American imperialism in Afghanistan and Iraq, the aim of which is to control oil and other resources in the interests of US finance capital, are now being openly fought on the home front. They will be accompanied by a deepening of the assault on democratic rights, initiated in the so-called “war on terror.” This is where the American working class and the working class throughout the world will come forward and perform their historical destiny and clear away the old order auguring in a new and wondrous future for all mankind- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -
Re: AIG execs take bailout $ to spa
This will be a good time for spas and shrinks. On Oct 7, 1:03�pm, wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=5973452page=2 Bastards. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Predictions
I predict that 30 days from today: 1. John McCain will be President-Elect of the United States. 2. Regular gasoline will be widely avail- able at $2.49/gal or less. 3. The economic 'crisis,' ie, credit crunch, will be largely over. Anyone care to bet against me? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The Forbidden Skit
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Re: Predictions
I'm not a gambler- I just let Fate have its way. I hope you are right but all I see on my way to anywhere is Obama and Franken signs/bumper stickers. Yesterday, after a third nasty e-mail about McCain from a friend of 32 years, I called and left a civilized message about her telling me NOT to vote, etc. Since she doesn't allow criticism, this is probably a finale. But then, she edits what she tells her husband and one often nods as she passes judgement on EVERYTHING/ONE just to avoid the flares of her temperament. I read a wise quote yesterday:You often learn who you are by realizing who you are not. Lisa Belkin- NYTImes- The Motherlode Blog She will probably toss my nine paintings... On Oct 7, 1:32�pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I predict that 30 �days from today: 1. �John McCain will be President-Elect of the United States. 2. �Regular gasoline will be widely avail- able at $2.49/gal or less. 3. �The economic 'crisis,' ie, credit crunch, will be largely over. Anyone care to bet against me? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where is McCain's Honor? To incite hatred against another US Citizen to win an election? I have no respect for him any more.
Hatred? Truth Obama and the mainstream press don't tell us. I have no respect for Oabama or the mainstream press anymore. On Oct 7, 11:59�am, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is McCain's Honor? To incite hatred against another US Citizen to win an election? I have no respect for McCain any more. October 07, 2008 Sean Lewis McCain promised the country he would run a honest, respectful and positive campaign. He broke the promise. Both McCain and Palin are trying to link the idea of Terrorism to Obama, they are stating that an incident that occurred when Obama was 8 years old should be held against him. An incident that occurred when he was 8 years old! The Religious Right the base of the Republican party, seem to only forgive the sin, when the sin is one of their exulted leaders such as Limbaugh or Palin's Daughter. If you are NOT one of the chosen people you are a junkie who should get mandatory jail time or a whoring moral-less welfare mom trying to get a free ride on tax payers. Forget about forgiveness if you actually was penalized for your crime and are now on another path in your life. No that doesn't count, unless you are the Republican Elite, then you were a victim and off limits for any comments about judgement. What McCain is doing is almost equal to inciting people to riot. People attending McCain and Palin rallies are now calling Obama a terrorist and talking about assassinating him. Both Palin and McCain are ignoring these shouts at their rallies and by doing this are in effect condoning such potential actions. This hate baiting from a Presidential candidate is unacceptable and leads to question this individuals integrity, state of mind and competency to govern and lead. Someone should remind McCain he was an officer and he should again read the Military Code of Honor. It is clear he no longer follows it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout:
What was McCain's role??? He was exonerated from all charges. INNOCENT. On Oct 7, 11:21�am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout: the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s. But voters deserve to know that the failed philosophy and culture of corruption that created the savings and loan crisis then are alive in the current crisis -- and in John McCain's plans for our economic future. We just released a short documentary about John McCain's role in that financial crisis -- watch it now and share it with your friends: http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo Voters should know the facts about John McCain's poor judgment -- judgment that has twice placed him on the wrong side of history. Please forward this email to everyone you know. Thanks, David David Plouffe Campaign Manager Obama for America --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Predictions
Great quote Rigsy! So you are up there in Minnesota. I haven't seen an Obama sign in my very white suburban area but if I drove into Cleveland I would see plenty. CW - Original Message - From: rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Predictions I'm not a gambler- I just let Fate have its way. I hope you are right but all I see on my way to anywhere is Obama and Franken signs/bumper stickers. Yesterday, after a third nasty e-mail about McCain from a friend of 32 years, I called and left a civilized message about her telling me NOT to vote, etc. Since she doesn't allow criticism, this is probably a finale. But then, she edits what she tells her husband and one often nods as she passes judgement on EVERYTHING/ONE just to avoid the flares of her temperament. I read a wise quote yesterday:You often learn who you are by realizing who you are not. Lisa Belkin- NYTImes- The Motherlode Blog She will probably toss my nine paintings... On Oct 7, 1:32�pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I predict that 30 �days from today: 1. �John McCain will be President-Elect of the United States. 2. �Regular gasoline will be widely avail- able at $2.49/gal or less. 3. �The economic 'crisis,' ie, credit crunch, will be largely over. Anyone care to bet against me? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Reverse discrimination
What I hear and see is a not so subtle denigration of White Americans by terrorists, Blacks, Liberals, the media, Hollywood and op/ed writers, etc. The words of David Cornwell-aka John le Carre- may be true: It is a disgusting world. His eyes are certainly sad in a recent photo. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Predictions
This is the Land of Liberal Lotus-Eaters! Forget sky blue waters. :-) On Oct 7, 2:19�pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great quote Rigsy! �So you are up there in Minnesota. �I haven't seen an Obama sign in my very white suburban area but if I drove into Cleveland I would see plenty. CW - Original Message - From: rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Predictions I'm not a gambler- I just let Fate have its way. I hope you are right but all I see on my way to anywhere is Obama and Franken signs/bumper stickers. Yesterday, after a third nasty e-mail about McCain from a friend of 32 years, I called and left a civilized message about her telling me NOT to vote, etc. Since she doesn't allow criticism, this is probably a finale. But then, she edits what she tells her husband and one often nods as she passes judgement on EVERYTHING/ONE just to avoid the flares of her temperament. I read a wise quote yesterday:You often learn who you are by realizing who you are not. Lisa Belkin- NYTImes- The Motherlode Blog She will probably toss my nine paintings... On Oct 7, 1:32 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I predict that 30 days from today: 1. John McCain will be President-Elect of the United States. 2. Regular gasoline will be widely avail- able at $2.49/gal or less. 3. The economic 'crisis,' ie, credit crunch, will be largely over. Anyone care to bet against me?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Obama: GOP Swift-Boating Me for Nearly Joining Army
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Dangerous move for NORAD?
From: *Travis* Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2008 Subject: Dangerous move for NORAD? Dangerous and stupid. Problem with putting bureaucrats and accountants in charge of ANYTHING in the real world. B http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/05/a-dangerous-move/ October 5, 2008 Dangerous move for NORAD? Michael de Yoanna and Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES Nestled a half mile inside a hardened rock tunnel, the Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center buzzed with excitement on July 4, 2006, as the shuttle Discovery prepared to launch. Then, at approximately 1:30 p.m. during the final countdown at Florida's Kennedy Space Center, the center's alarms and strobes shrieked to life. Defense satellites had picked up a heat-related signature half a world away. An expert crew at the mountain quickly identified it as a missile, pinpointing its type, location and telemetry. It had been launched from North Korea and was headed east. Several more missile launches were detected including a long-range Taepodong II capable of striking the western United States. As the missiles advanced, the op center alerted top defense officials. President Bush was just a phone call away and if contacted might have had only minutes to decide whether to engage America's nuclear arsenal. Fortunately, the missiles fell far from U.S. shores in North Korea, the Sea of Japan and the Pacific Ocean. Still, the episode marked the end of an era. A few weeks later, Cheyenne Mountain's commander, Brig. Gen. Rosanne Bailey, retired and the once highly sought command was downgraded to a directorate. Critics say a decision two years ago to move the operations center of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) to the basement of an office building on Peterson Air Force Base in nearby Colorado Springs and to disperse other missions at the mountain could undermine U.S. national security. According to military and defense sources familiar with the missions and U.S. government documents obtained by The Washington Times, the move — billed as a cost-cutting measure — received insufficient government review, violated previous Pentagon directives, may have broken U.S. law and has left the United States less able to track potential threats and the operations center more vulnerable to attack. We see decisions like closing Cheyenne Mountain that are driven for cost purposes only, not military requirements, said Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney. Cheyenne Mountain should remain an active facility but cost pressures are driving combatant commanders to make riskier decisions. The decision to move the op center originated with Adm. Timothy Keating, in 2006 head of both NORAD and U.S. Northern Command, created after 9/11 to safeguard further the U.S. homeland. Adm. Keating apparently convinced the nation's top military leaders that moving the center would save taxpayers millions of dollars. Other government officials tried to slow the process to ensure that safeguards would be incorporated at the new site. But they were marginalized in what critics argue was a needlessly quick campaign to place the mountain on warm standby while scattering critical elements of the mission to several air bases. Adm. Keating's mantra was faster, quicker and cheaper, said one military official familiar with Cheyenne Mountain's recent transition who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue. He would not let anything stand in his way. A spokesman for Adm. Keating, now commander of the U.S. Pacific Command, referred questions to Northern Command. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, commander of Northern Command and Norad, said in a statement Sept. 18 in response to a Government Accountability Office report on the transfer that he had told a closed-door briefing for the House Armed Services Committee that he is committed to improving our security posture to protect our command center. Gen. Renuart said he decided to exceed the baseline security requirements at our headquarters by implementing enhanced force protection measures. He asserted that the move from the mountain would have more benefits than costs. The operational advantages of this effort are numerous and unmistakable, he said in the statement. However, Gen. Bailey said in a telephone interview that she had a number of concerns. The reality is you can't make a glass building as resistant to attack as you can a facility in a mountain, she said. The Cheyenne operations center came on line at a time when NORAD was just beginning to scour the skies for bombers and other threats. In the late 1950s, Gen. Earle E. Partridge, who commanded the first version of NORAD, feared the mission was in grave danger because it was located inside an Ent Air Force Base building surrounded by the rapidly growing suburbs of Colorado Springs. The New York Times quoted Gen. Partridge fretting that one man with a well-aimed bazooka shot could obliterate NORAD in the first wave of a nuclear battle,
America Must Not Bail Out Sharia Finance
From: *Travis* Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2008 Subject: America Must Not Bail Out Sharia Finance It would be treasonous to provide aid to the enemy Islam. B http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/blog/imm-articles/108.html *America Must Not Bail Out Sharia Finance *October 3, 2008 by Jeffrey Imm Anti-Jihad League of America http://anti-jihad.org/blog/2008/10/sharia-bailout/ http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/blog/imm-articles/108.html On September 17, 2008, the U.S. News and World Report magazine reportedhttp://www.usnews.com/blogs/the-ticker/2008/9/17/aig-the-biggest-bailout.htmlon how the Federal Reserve extended an $85 billion loan to American International Group to be paid back as AIG sells off some business in the biggest government takeover so far in the ongoing credit crisis. What the American public hasn't seen yet is what AIG is going to sell off in terms of its business. According to the September 16, 2008 press releasehttp://federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/other/20080916a.htmby the Federal Reserve on this bailout, the U.S. government will receive a 79.9 percent equity interest in AIG and has the right to veto the payment of dividends to common and preferred shareholders. But while the U.S. taxpayers are loaning money to AIG and the U.S. holds a nearly 80 percent equity interest in AIG, no one in the government seems concerned that AIG is continuing to expand its Sharia finance businesshttp://www.aigmemsa.com/aig/takaful/aboutus_launch.jsp. Less than a week after the government bailout of AIG, Reuters reportedhttp://www.cnbc.com/id/26834130/on how AIG's unit American International Assurance Co (AIA) was awarded an international takaful (Islamic insurance) license by the Malaysian government. AIG's American International has been selling Sharia-based Islamic insurance for at least two years, through its AIG Takaful divisionhttp://www.aigmemsa.com/aig/takaful/aboutus_launch.jsp, since its October 1, 2006 announcementhttp://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/10/01/american_international_starts_islamic_insurance/, with a stated goalhttp://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/10/01/american_international_starts_islamic_insurance/to sell such Sharia financial instruments in the United States. AIG SunAmerica, AIG Financial Services Corp, and other divisions of AIG also are dealers http://www.amanafunds.com/dealer_list.html in Sharia mutual trusts. The AIG bailout came two days before Congressman Tancredo's introductionhttp://tancredo.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1386of the Jihad Prevention Act (H.R. 6975)http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/documents/HR6975.pdf, which http://tancredo.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1386would deny U.S. visas to advocates of 'Sharia law, and expel Islamists already here. This House bill has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. Yet as the AIG bailout showshttp://www.usnews.com/blogs/the-ticker/2008/9/17/aig-the-biggest-bailout.html, the challenge of Sharia is more than an immigration problem, and the U.S. federal government is not yet taking any action on Sharia finance. While we should be concerned about Islamists coming to the U.S. to promote Sharia, shouldn't we be really concerned that the U.S. taxpayers own a nearly 80 percent equity interest in a company promoting Sharia finance today? Shouldn't the first assets that AIG should have sold two weeks ago have been their Sharia finance businesses? The day before the AIG bailout was being announced, the Center for Security Policy's (CSP) Frank Gaffney publishedhttp://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/Modules/NewsManager/ShowSectionNews.aspx?CategoryID=140SubCategoryID=141NewsID=17572his concerns about this growing financial institutional problem of Shariah-Compliant Finance (SCF) in an article entitled Into the Fire.http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/Modules/NewsManager/ShowSectionNews.aspx?CategoryID=140SubCategoryID=141NewsID=17572 In his article, Mr. Gaffney references David Yerushalmi's study Shari'ah's Black Box: Civil Liability and Criminal: Exposure Surrounding Shari'ah-Compliant Finance,http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/modules/newsmanager/center%20publication%20pdfs/shairias%20black%20box%20%28d%20yerushalmi%29.pdfwhich details the lack of financial transparency inherent in Sharia finance, and how such lack of transparency could lead to financial institutions being used to support terrorism and reverse money laundering. Moreover, as Mr. Gaffney stateshttp://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/Modules/NewsManager/ShowSectionNews.aspx?CategoryID=140SubCategoryID=141NewsID=17572, the current financial crisis will allow Islamist nations to buy up engines of our capital markets for pennies on the dollar, and [w]orse yet, they are, in the process, putting themselves in a position to promote Shariah-Compliant Finance and the seditious theo-political agenda it serves. Sharia finance http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/ is not just business. Sharia finance exists to promote an
Re: John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout:
there is innocent, and then there is the dems version of innocent. if it is a republican who is found innocent he is still guilty. if it is dem it is a witch hunt, a right wing conspiracy, a minor mistake. On Oct 7, 2:56 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was McCain's role??? He was exonerated from all charges. INNOCENT. On Oct 7, 11:21 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout: the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s. But voters deserve to know that the failed philosophy and culture of corruption that created the savings and loan crisis then are alive in the current crisis -- and in John McCain's plans for our economic future. We just released a short documentary about John McCain's role in that financial crisis -- watch it now and share it with your friends: http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo Voters should know the facts about John McCain's poor judgment -- judgment that has twice placed him on the wrong side of history. Please forward this email to everyone you know. Thanks, David David Plouffe Campaign Manager Obama for America --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: dem's attempts to steal election in Ohio fizzles
the obama machine is running on empty.
On Oct 7, 12:13 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perfect! Absolutely perfect!! LMAO!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF5Kdm4Eu6w
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this whole issue is nothing but a straw man argument used to justify
keeping democrats and independents from voting !
On Oct 7, 7:28 am, Buckshot Bubba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What should be done is throw every single voter registration that has
ever
been submitted by a person other than the actual person registering. In
every case of voter registration the person must register in person and
provide actual proof of eligibility to vote or in the caase of those not
physically able to get to the registrar's office, a certified employee
of
the registrar's office may go to the person's residence and get a
completed
registeration form completed by the actual person.
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attempts by the dem sec of state to circumvent Ohio voting laws, and
nobama's voting group acorn, to register illegal voters has fizzled.
only 4000 people broke the law and registered and voted on the same
day. nice try though
on another note, the dem sec of state's attempt to discount McCain
absentee ballots was rebuffed by the state supreme court who told her
her actions were illegal, and all ballots were to be counted. nice
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let's see how the dems whine after tonights debate
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Re: dem's attempts to steal election in Ohio fizzles
good. maybe they will find the smoking gun that connects nobama to acorn in this election. On Oct 7, 5:32 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the AP, ACORN offices were raided today in Nevada. (link at Drudge) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Predictions
CW, I'll bet against you. McCain has a few very serious hurdles I don't think he can clear; - People are fed up with Bush and Obama has successfully interconnected McCain and Bush. - The Palin smear campaign has worked. Eventually, even the SNL skits take their toll. - The MSM bias is too great to overcome and most people don't seem capable of critical thinking on their own. - McCain and the Republicans don't seem to have a clue how to attack Obama. I don't mean the stupid, snide commercials.. I mean the major, fundamental differences. Let’s see if he shows anything tonight. I'll go so far as to say it will be a electoral college landslide (popular vote won't be as overwhelming) and the MSM will be talking about an Obama mandate. On Oct 7, 3:27 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the Land of Liberal Lotus-Eaters! Forget sky blue waters. :-) On Oct 7, 2:19 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great quote Rigsy! So you are up there in Minnesota. I haven't seen an Obama sign in my very white suburban area but if I drove into Cleveland I would see plenty. CW - Original Message - From: rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Predictions I'm not a gambler- I just let Fate have its way. I hope you are right but all I see on my way to anywhere is Obama and Franken signs/bumper stickers. Yesterday, after a third nasty e-mail about McCain from a friend of 32 years, I called and left a civilized message about her telling me NOT to vote, etc. Since she doesn't allow criticism, this is probably a finale. But then, she edits what she tells her husband and one often nods as she passes judgement on EVERYTHING/ONE just to avoid the flares of her temperament. I read a wise quote yesterday:You often learn who you are by realizing who you are not. Lisa Belkin- NYTImes- The Motherlode Blog She will probably toss my nine paintings... On Oct 7, 1:32 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I predict that 30 days from today: 1. John McCain will be President-Elect of the United States. 2. Regular gasoline will be widely avail- able at $2.49/gal or less. 3. The economic 'crisis,' ie, credit crunch, will be largely over. Anyone care to bet against me?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
this country is in real trouble
the mere fact that nobama is running for president, let alone win shows how messed up the people are in this country. we are doomed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: this country is in real trouble
the fact you voted Reagan, Bush and then another Bush to be the LEADER and most powerful man in the country shows how messed up the people are you your country. You are doomed. On Oct 7, 10:41 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the mere fact that nobama is running for president, let alone win shows how messed up the people are in this country. we are doomed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Predictions
I agree with cw. the more the people learn about barry, the more they will turn against him. real people who are capable of thinking on their own will realize this guy is not what he claims to be. On Oct 7, 5:40 pm, frankg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CW, I'll bet against you. McCain has a few very serious hurdles I don't think he can clear; - People are fed up with Bush and Obama has successfully interconnected McCain and Bush. - The Palin smear campaign has worked. Eventually, even the SNL skits take their toll. - The MSM bias is too great to overcome and most people don't seem capable of critical thinking on their own. - McCain and the Republicans don't seem to have a clue how to attack Obama. I don't mean the stupid, snide commercials.. I mean the major, fundamental differences. Let’s see if he shows anything tonight. I'll go so far as to say it will be a electoral college landslide (popular vote won't be as overwhelming) and the MSM will be talking about an Obama mandate. On Oct 7, 3:27 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the Land of Liberal Lotus-Eaters! Forget sky blue waters. :-) On Oct 7, 2:19 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great quote Rigsy! So you are up there in Minnesota. I haven't seen an Obama sign in my very white suburban area but if I drove into Cleveland I would see plenty. CW - Original Message - From: rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Predictions I'm not a gambler- I just let Fate have its way. I hope you are right but all I see on my way to anywhere is Obama and Franken signs/bumper stickers. Yesterday, after a third nasty e-mail about McCain from a friend of 32 years, I called and left a civilized message about her telling me NOT to vote, etc. Since she doesn't allow criticism, this is probably a finale. But then, she edits what she tells her husband and one often nods as she passes judgement on EVERYTHING/ONE just to avoid the flares of her temperament. I read a wise quote yesterday:You often learn who you are by realizing who you are not. Lisa Belkin- NYTImes- The Motherlode Blog She will probably toss my nine paintings... On Oct 7, 1:32 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I predict that 30 days from today: 1. John McCain will be President-Elect of the United States. 2. Regular gasoline will be widely avail- able at $2.49/gal or less. 3. The economic 'crisis,' ie, credit crunch, will be largely over. Anyone care to bet against me?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The desperation of the McCain / Palin campaign
and again I point out, because the obvious is lost on the retarded left, the economy was doing just fine until the dems took over congress. when did things begin to go south? within the last 2 years. and when did the dems take over? within the last 2 years. face facts. the correlation is unmistakable, and undeniable. and let us not forget which party refused to accept and act upon the fannie and freddie fiasco. that would be the dems. On Oct 7, 12:37 pm, studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My job is a job to make decisions. I'm a decision -- if the job description were, what do you do -- it's decision maker. --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Predictions
European stock markets in freefall following Paris financial summit By Peter Schwarz 7 October 2008 The response of European stock markets to the crisis summit held in Paris on Saturday could have not been clearer. On Monday, share prices across Europe plummeted. The Dax (Frankfurt) lost 7 percent, the TecDax 11 percent, the FTSE 100 (London) 8 percent and the CAC 40 (Paris) 9 percent. In Iceland, share trading was halted altogether. Following the nationalisation of the country’s third biggest bank, the government itself was threatened with bankruptcy. The government heads of the four European members of the G8—France, Germany, Great Britain and Italy—met on Saturday in Paris to discuss common action to combat the financial crisis. The results of the summit were negligible. The assembled leaders agreed—in the words of French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who called the summit—that “every country would resort to its own measures.” A proposal to set up a common fund to bail out ailing banks along the lines of the American Paulson plan failed to appear on the summit agenda following opposition from Germany. Over the weekend, a series of events made clear the extent to which Europe, and especially Germany, has been hit by the international financial turbulence. On Saturday, the plan drawn up a week ago by the German government and a number of banks to rescue Hypo Real Estate (HRE), Germany’s second biggest mortgage lender, collapsed. The German central bank (Bundesbank) and private banks had planned to make €35 billion available to prop up HRE, a DAX company with total assets of €400 billion. For its part, the German government issued a surety loan of €26.5 billion in taxpayer money. On Saturday, the private banks withdrew from the bailout plan after it emerged that the financial problems at HRE were much greater than originally presented. Losses by the bank are estimated at between €50 and €60 billion this year, and could climb to over €100 billion next year. The banks neither informed the German government of their new estimate of HRE’s financial problems, nor of their intention to quit the rescue package. Angry government leaders first learned of the situation from a press statement issued by HRE. HRE attempted to blame German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrück (Social Democratic Party—SPD) for its new problems because Steinbrück had spoken of a “liquidation” of the bank. Evidently, the banks are attempting to pressure the government to make more funds available for bailouts. On Sunday, further crisis talks were held to draw up a new bailout plan for HRE. The government took the situation so seriously that on the same afternoon Chancellor Angela Merkel (Christian Democratic Union —CDU) and Finance Minister Steinbrück held a joint press conference to announce a government guarantee for all private savings in Germany. “The deposits of savers are safe, the government gives its assurance” Merkel declared. The declaration of a guarantee had two aims: To appease public anger over the government’s decision to make billions of euros available to cover the banks’ speculative losses, under conditions where ordinary savers faced the loss of their savings, and to avert a panic run on the banks similar to that which took place in Germany in 1931. The seriousness with which the situation is regarded by ruling circles was reflected in comments made by Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble (CDU). In the latest edition of Der Spiegel magazine, Schäuble drew direct parallels to the economic crisis of the 1920s and 1930s and warned: “Such an economic crisis can result in an incredible threat to all of society. The consequences of that depression was Adolf Hitler and, indirectly, World War II and Auschwitz Instead of calming the situation, the government’s promise to guarantee deposits has heightened fears by revealing the scale of the crisis. The German government has committed itself to cover an almost unlimited amount. According to government data, the guarantee will include private bank assets worth some €568 billion—twice as much as the entire annual federal budget. By some calculations, the various forms of savings total €4.5 trillion. Spiegel Online commented: “Merkel and Co. have nothing more to increase their promises to savers. There are no reserves should the German financial system collapse... if the state really does have to compensate for lost deposits beyond the legal guarantee of €20,000 and the private banks’ deposit guarantee fund the state debt will rise for years, capital spending will fall, social welfare systems will be additionally burdened.” The guarantee issued by the German government met with harsh criticism from other European capitals, particularly London. At the Paris summit, the Irish government was criticised for giving similar assurances for its six leading banks. Now the German government was doing the same thing. The Guardian described the “anger” in Downing Street over Merkel’s
Weather Underground Forerunners of Our Potential Next Administration
Jonah Goldberg provides background on the Weather Underground, led by the unrepentant William Ayers, whose political protégé may soon be given America's nuclear codes: Bourgeois self-loathing lay at the very heart of the New Left's hatred of liberalism, its love affair with violence, and its willingness to take a sledgehammer to Western civilization. We're against everything that's 'good and decent' in honky America, declared one rebel. We will burn and loot and destroy. We are the incubation of your mother's worst nightmare. The Weathermen became the storm troopers of the New Left, horrifying even those who agreed with their cause. Convinced that all whites were born tainted with the original sin of skin privilege, the fighting brigade of the New Left internalized racialist thinking as hatred of their own whiteness. All white babies are pigs, declared one Weatherman. On one occasion the feminist poet Robin Morgan was breast-feeding her son at the offices of the radical journal Rat. A Weatherwoman saw this and told her, You have no right to have that pig male baby. How can you say that? Morgan asked. What should I do? Put it in the garbage, the Weatherwoman answered. Sounds like a certain Illinois State Senator's attitude toward babies who survive botched abortions. Bernadine Dohrn [Ayers' wife], an acid-loving University of Chicago law student turned revolutionary, reflected the widespread New Left fascination with the serial-killing hippie Übermensch Charles Manson. Dig It! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach! Wild! In appreciation, her Weather Underground cell made a three-fingered fork gesture its official salute. Why not just put Charles Manson in the White House? At least he can be charismatic even without a teleprompter. http://www.moonbattery.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Obama Supporters Dahsudhu Hdusahfd and Uadhshgu Hduadh Give Generously
If you thought the penniless Chinese dishwashers donating $thousands to Shrillary smelled funny, put a clothespin on your nose before reading about Obama's donors: CBS News has learned that two donors to the Obama campaign that gave a total of $7,722 appear to have made their contributions under fake names that look like they were written by a mouse running across a keyboard: Dahsudhu Hdusahfd of Df, Hawaii with the following employer CZXVC/ZXVZXV and Uadhshgu Hduadh listed as living in Dhff, Florida listed their employer as DASADA/SAFASF. CBS News did not find any records of these last names, towns or employers anywhere else. Newsweek reported two questionable Obama donors over the weekend named Doodad Pro and Good Will. Contributions from the two donors Hdusahfd and Hduadh were made on the same day starting on July 16, 2008. Federal Election Commission (FEC) records show the campaign began refunding the donations as early as August 6, 2008. Despite numerous refunds from the Obama campaign, Hdusahfd still has a record of giving a total of $7500 to Obama which is well over the legal limit for the primary and general election of $4600. Having been caught with its hand in the cookie jar… The Obama campaign says out of an abundance of caution all of these donations are in the process of being returned. If even CBS News can't help but notice election fraud in the Obama campaign, imagine what will eventually come to light when this whole nightmarish farce is over — provided of course that Obama loses. Otherwise, we'll know as much on January 20 as we'll ever be able to learn. http://www.moonbattery.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Predictions
US stocks tumbled for a fifth session, capping the Dow's biggest five- day point loss ever October 8, 2008 - 8:02AM US stocks tumbled for a fifth straight session, capping the Dow's biggest five-day point loss ever, as fears mounted that the spiraling credit crisis would drag the economy into a deep recession. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did little to reassure markets when he cautioned that downside risks to economic growth have worsened, though he did signal a readiness to lower interest rates. An earlier move by the Federal Reserve to unclog the commercial paper market, which companies use to fund their day-to-day operations, gave the stock market only a fleeting boost. The financial sector was the biggest drag on the market, with the SP financial sub-index dropping to its lowest level in more than a decade. Bank of America skidded 26.2% the day after it said it would cut its dividend and raise $US10 billion to help staunch rising loan losses. ''The market can't seem to find a footing, no matter what the government or the Fed tells them. We're in uncharted territory and we don't know how that is going to end,'' said Linda Duessel, market strategist at Federated Investors. ''We've all been shellshocked by the momentum on the downside in this market, and now people are talking about a long and deep recession - just a month ago, many thought a recession could be averted.'' The Dow Jones industrial average fell 508.39 points, or 5.11%, to 9447.11. The blue-chip Dow average has lost more than 1400 points over the past five sessions, or nearly 13% of its value, according to Reuters data. The Standard Poor's 500 Index dropped 60.66 points, or 5.74%, to 996.23 - the first time the benchmark index has closed below the 1000 level in more than five years. The drop was the SP 500's biggest five- day percentage decline since the 1987 crash. The Nasdaq Composite Index slid 108.08 points, or 5.80%, to 1754.88. The losses came a day after a steep global equity market sell-off and traders said there was some disappointment that central banks had not orchestrated a coordinated interest-rate cut to calm financial markets. The US Federal Reserve stepped forward as a commercial lender of last resort as governments around the world scrambled to stem the global financial crisis and calls arose for concerted action. The Fed created a new commercial paper facility that would buy short-term, highly rated debt, stepping into the corporate debt market in a program that falls outside the $US700 billion rescue plan approved by the US Congress on Friday. Morgan Stanley shares fell as much as 40%, before rebounding to close down 24.9% at $US17.65, after a company spokesman said its deal to sell up to 24.9% of its voting shares to Japanese bank Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group was on track to close ''imminently''. The drop in financials came on the eve of the lifting of the ban on short selling in a raft of financial companies or companies with financial exposure. Short sellers borrow stocks and sell them on the bet that the stocks will fall in value, so that they can buy them back at a lower price and pocket the difference. The price of US front-month crude oil rose $US2.25, or 2.6%, to settle at $US90.06 a barrel, fueling concerns about consumer and business spending. An index of airline stocks fell 15.6%. Trading volume was low on the New York Stock Exchange, with about 1.73 billion shares changing hands, below last year's estimated daily average of roughly 1.90 billion, while on Nasdaq, about 2.82 billion shares traded, above last year's daily average of 2.17 billion. Declining stocks outnumbered advancing ones by 7 to 1 on the NYSE and on the Nasdaq, by about 6 to 1. On Oct 8, 9:30 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: European stock markets in freefall following Paris financial summit By Peter Schwarz 7 October 2008 The response of European stock markets to the crisis summit held in Paris on Saturday could have not been clearer. On Monday, share prices across Europe plummeted. The Dax (Frankfurt) lost 7 percent, the TecDax 11 percent, the FTSE 100 (London) 8 percent and the CAC 40 (Paris) 9 percent. In Iceland, share trading was halted altogether. Following the nationalisation of the country’s third biggest bank, the government itself was threatened with bankruptcy. The government heads of the four European members of the G8—France, Germany, Great Britain and Italy—met on Saturday in Paris to discuss common action to combat the financial crisis. The results of the summit were negligible. The assembled leaders agreed—in the words of French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who called the summit—that “every country would resort to its own measures.” A proposal to set up a common fund to bail out ailing banks along the lines of the American Paulson plan failed to appear on the summit agenda following opposition from Germany. Over the weekend, a series of events made clear the extent to which
Re: Where is McCain's Honor? To incite hatred against another US Citizen to win an election? I have no respect for him any more.
What would that be? Things like this? Last week new evidence arose revealing that under Palin's administration, Wasilla cut funds that paid for the rape kits and shifted the burden onto the victims themselves or their insurance companies (kits generally cost between $500-$1200). Under Wasilla Police Chief Irl Stambaugh, the town had included the cost of rape kits in the budget. But Palin fired Stambaugh and replaced him with Charlie Fannon, who then took the money out of the budget - a budget Palin approved. Fannon evidently did not have a problem with billing victims, though he admitted that he would rather see the perpetrator pay for the rape kits (without elaborating on how that realistically or successfully might occur). The town law did not change until Alaska state legislators got wind of what was happening (in Wasilla and other small towns) and introduced a bill, signed into law in 2000, making it illegal for any law enforcement agency to bill victims or victims insurance companies for the costs of examinations that take place to collect evidence of a sexual assault or determine if a sexual assault did occur. Fannon immediately objected, stating in an article on May 23, 2000 that ...the law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams...I just don't want to see any more burdens on the tax payer. Fannon did not explain why rape victims should pay for their evidence collection kits while victims of burglary, for example, would not. On Oct 7, 2:54 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hatred? Truth Obama and the mainstream press don't tell us. I have no respect for Oabama or the mainstream press anymore. On Oct 7, 11:59 am, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is McCain's Honor? To incite hatred against another US Citizen to win an election? I have no respect for McCain any more. October 07, 2008 Sean Lewis McCain promised the country he would run a honest, respectful and positive campaign. He broke the promise. Both McCain and Palin are trying to link the idea of Terrorism to Obama, they are stating that an incident that occurred when Obama was 8 years old should be held against him. An incident that occurred when he was 8 years old! The Religious Right the base of the Republican party, seem to only forgive the sin, when the sin is one of their exulted leaders such as Limbaugh or Palin's Daughter. If you are NOT one of the chosen people you are a junkie who should get mandatory jail time or a whoring moral-less welfare mom trying to get a free ride on tax payers. Forget about forgiveness if you actually was penalized for your crime and are now on another path in your life. No that doesn't count, unless you are the Republican Elite, then you were a victim and off limits for any comments about judgement. What McCain is doing is almost equal to inciting people to riot. People attending McCain and Palin rallies are now calling Obama a terrorist and talking about assassinating him. Both Palin and McCain are ignoring these shouts at their rallies and by doing this are in effect condoning such potential actions. This hate baiting from a Presidential candidate is unacceptable and leads to question this individuals integrity, state of mind and competency to govern and lead. Someone should remind McCain he was an officer and he should again read the Military Code of Honor. It is clear he no longer follows it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDofbll86dYeurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/mccains-keating-5-scandal_n_132103.html Really? Had Nothing to do with it? On Oct 7, 2:56 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was McCain's role??? He was exonerated from all charges. INNOCENT. On Oct 7, 11:21 am, [ a patriotic Republican ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout: the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s. But voters deserve to know that the failed philosophy and culture of corruption that created the savings and loan crisis then are alive in the current crisis -- and in John McCain's plans for our economic future. We just released a short documentary about John McCain's role in that financial crisis -- watch it now and share it with your friends: http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo Voters should know the facts about John McCain's poor judgment -- judgment that has twice placed him on the wrong side of history. Please forward this email to everyone you know. Thanks, David David Plouffe Campaign Manager Obama for America- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
KEATING ECONOMICS: John McCain The Making of a Financial Crisis
http://opendebateforum2.blogspot.com/2008/10/keating-economics-john-mccain-making-of.html Watch the Video about McCain and the Keating 5 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
