Re: Late Stage Lying: Pneumonia Theory vs. Parkinson’s Disease Theory; Doctors Chime In

['Perplexed' via PoliticalForum]

As for Snopes, here is your answer:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/17/fact-checking-snopes-websites-political-fact-checker-is-just-a-failed-liberal-blogger/

When they decided to get into the business of fact-checking politicians, 
they hired a leftwing nutjob to do so. Enough said.

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 7:30:52 AM UTC-4, MJ wrote:
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>
> September 14, 2016
>
> *Late Stage Lying: Pneumonia Theory vs. Parkinson’s Disease Theory; 
> Doctors Chime In *Posted by mishgea 
>
> On Sunday, an “Overheated” Hillary Stumbled or Fainted at a 911 Ceremony 
> 
> .
>
> Hours later, came news flash Hillary’s Doctor Discloses Pneumonia 
> Diagnosis Made Last Friday: Questions Abound 
> 
> .
>
> Since then, a video by Dr. Ted Noel has made the rounds. Dr. Noel makes a 
> seemingly convincing case Hillary has Late Stage Parkinson’s disease.
>
> Snopes says Noel’s claim is false. I question the analysis of Snopes.
>
> Some Mish readers who are medical doctors have some interesting comments.
>
>
> *Late Stage Parkinson’s? * https://youtu.be/Zr1IDQ2V1eM 
>
>
> In the above video, Dr. Ted Noel makes a seemingly convincing case Hillary 
> has Late Stage Parkinson’s disease.
>
> My first thought on watching the video was “Wow”. My second thought was 
> “Wow, I wish Dr. Noel did not put a political spin on things.”
>
>
>
> *Snopes Weighs In *Snopes says the montage of photos and video clips are 
> nothing more than Shaky Diagnosis 
> .
>
> Snopes concluded the story was “false”. Snopes ends with this paragraph:
>
> In closing, we wish to make it clear what our aim has been in this 
> analysis. We have not tried to make the case that Hillary Clinton does not 
> have Parkinson’s disease (in point of fact, we don’t think that case even 
> needs making). Rather, we have shown that what Ted Noel did in this video 
> is systematically misrepresent perfectly ordinary and explicable phenomena 
> as “Parkinson’s disease symptoms,” and his motivation for doing so was 
> purely political.
>
> False or Inconclusive?
>
> I am generally highly supportive of Snopes. But How the hell can they 
> possibly make the claim the story is false, when all they did was make a 
> case that Noel’s presentation was politically motivated.
>
> Politically Motivated Snopes?
>
> Since Snopes is not a medical doctor, and since Snopes explicitly stated 
> “We have not tried to make the case that Hillary Clinton does not have 
> Parkinson’s disease (in point of fact, we don’t think that case even needs 
> making)” one has to wonder if Snopes itself is politically motivated!
>
> Snopes should have labeled the evidence “Inconclusive“, not false.
>
> Perfectly Ordinary?
>
> I am not a medical doctor but bug-eyed facial expressions and cough 
> attacks lasting months coupled with stumbling and stuttering and 
> exaggerated head motions getting progressively worse, all by the same 
> person, hardly seem “perfectly ordinary” as Snopes claims.
>
> Certified Opinion
>
> I am not qualified to comment on the likelihood of Parksinson’s. Since 
> Snopes did not bother to consult experts, they are not qualified either. So 
> how can they label the story “false”?
>
> On the other hand, I am qualified to recognize bullsheet. I do that every 
> day for a living.
>
> My certified opinion is “Late Stage Lying, Mid Stage Lying, and Early 
> Stage Lying” by the Hillary campaign.
>
> Here are some comments from medical doctors. Some were posted publicly on 
> my blog others in private emails to me.
>
> Comments From M.D Brody
>
> I know of two recent instances of chronic cough treated with cough 
> medicine and antibiotics. Over a period of time the symptoms persisted.
>
> Eventually a CT lung scan was performed that showed lung cancer. The test 
> was requested two years ago and was not authorized by insurance. I think 
> a CT scan of chest and lungs in medically indicated. It will either be 
> clear or show pathology. It can answer speculation. Hillary, herself should 
> want to know
>
> L. Brody, M. D.
>
> Comments from M.D. Simon
>
> I have followed your outstanding writing and cogent views since 2005+- and 
> found you were the only one I read to call the housing bust and the bust in 
> the economy. After an epileptic seizure an unfortunate victim is barely 
> conscious. It would fit with past history of fall, concussion and scarring 
> on the brain causing a seizure disorder. There is no way any one would be 
> told that, press or public. She was lifted and carried into theLimo by 
> her “escorts”. That is the only real information available. While not 
> enough to make a diagnosis it is concerning for anyone’s else. “pay no 
> attention to the man behind the 

Re: Late Stage Lying: Pneumonia Theory vs. Parkinson’s Disease Theory; Doctors Chime In

['Perplexed' via PoliticalForum]

The thing I have told people is once you have blood clots gumming up your 
brain, things don’t get better. This is a progressive problem and as 
someone who has extensively studied coagulation, the notion put out by 
HRC’s staff that you put someone on blood thinners, the clot dissolves 
because of the blood thinner, and a person has a full recovery is complete 
baloney. A disruption in blood flow to the brain is going to be followed by 
continued disruptions in blood flow, and I know of no treatment to stop it 
in a case like HRC’s that involves smaller blood vessels. When you have a 
neurovascular issue causing dysphagia (difficulty swallowing which is what 
causes her to cough), seizures (the reason for the staff caring around the 
Valium or diazepam pen), and weakness, those are REALLY bad signs. IMO she 
is a ticking time bomb to have a major and debilitating stroke. 
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A cogent analysis. I agree that she is a ticking time bomb, and that she 
and her campaign and her doctor are lying through their teeth about the 
extent of her illness.


And so is this:


Bear in mind that when you have weakness with pneumonia, it usually is due 
to dehydration and causes orthostasis (dizziness when getting up). If HRC 
were going from sitting to standing and needed support, I could buy the 
dehydration/pneumonia story. But she was already standing and then went 
limp. That is most likely a neurological problem not a hydration one.


It is indisputable that she had something neurological going on that day 
(9/11). As she tried to step away from leaning on that concrete post, she 
couldn't do so. As she went down, her arm was "stuck" behind her back and 
her upper body was entirely rigid (she was in the process of having a 
seizure and uncontrollable movements). The bald (white) guy who helped 
carry her into the van had to pull her arm from behind her back to move her.


That's not indicative of someone fainting - not to any thinking person. 
It's evidence of someone who has fully lost control of their muscles and 
body.


On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 7:30:52 AM UTC-4, MJ wrote:
>
>
> September 14, 2016
>
> *Late Stage Lying: Pneumonia Theory vs. Parkinson’s Disease Theory; 
> Doctors Chime In *Posted by mishgea 
>
> On Sunday, an “Overheated” Hillary Stumbled or Fainted at a 911 Ceremony 
> 
> .
>
> Hours later, came news flash Hillary’s Doctor Discloses Pneumonia 
> Diagnosis Made Last Friday: Questions Abound 
> 
> .
>
> Since then, a video by Dr. Ted Noel has made the rounds. Dr. Noel makes a 
> seemingly convincing case Hillary has Late Stage Parkinson’s disease.
>
> Snopes says Noel’s claim is false. I question the analysis of Snopes.
>
> Some Mish readers who are medical doctors have some interesting comments.
>
>
> *Late Stage Parkinson’s? * https://youtu.be/Zr1IDQ2V1eM 
>
>
> In the above video, Dr. Ted Noel makes a seemingly convincing case Hillary 
> has Late Stage Parkinson’s disease.
>
> My first thought on watching the video was “Wow”. My second thought was 
> “Wow, I wish Dr. Noel did not put a political spin on things.”
>
>
>
> *Snopes Weighs In *Snopes says the montage of photos and video clips are 
> nothing more than Shaky Diagnosis 
> .
>
> Snopes concluded the story was “false”. Snopes ends with this paragraph:
>
> In closing, we wish to make it clear what our aim has been in this 
> analysis. We have not tried to make the case that Hillary Clinton does not 
> have Parkinson’s disease (in point of fact, we don’t think that case even 
> needs making). Rather, we have shown that what Ted Noel did in this video 
> is systematically misrepresent perfectly ordinary and explicable phenomena 
> as “Parkinson’s disease symptoms,” and his motivation for doing so was 
> purely political.
>
> False or Inconclusive?
>
> I am generally highly supportive of Snopes. But How the hell can they 
> possibly make the claim the story is false, when all they did was make a 
> case that Noel’s presentation was politically motivated.
>
> Politically Motivated Snopes?
>
> Since Snopes is not a medical doctor, and since Snopes explicitly stated 
> “We have not tried to make the case that Hillary Clinton does not have 
> Parkinson’s disease (in point of fact, we don’t think that case even needs 
> making)” one has to wonder if Snopes itself is politically motivated!
>
> Snopes should have labeled the evidence “Inconclusive“, not false.
>
> Perfectly Ordinary?
>
> I am not a medical doctor but bug-eyed facial expressions and cough 
> attacks lasting months coupled with stumbling and stuttering and 
> exaggerated head motions getting progressively worse, all by the same 
> person, hardly seem “perfectly