Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-06-04 Thread Simon Kuhnle
Hi, I'm sorry to revive this discussion, but what is the plan for x11/ion now? Renaming it? If yes, then what name? Or removing it? Would be nice to get a clear decission, as it's my favorite WM ATM. -- simon

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-06-04 Thread Pedro Martelletto
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 03:31:16PM +0200, Simon Kuhnle wrote: So the current ports version will be the last? Unless someone decides to please the author or he changes the license, yes. -p.

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-06-04 Thread Simon Kuhnle
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:47:04PM +0200, Pedro Martelletto wrote: In my case, I definitely lack the time and will to fulfill such stupid requirements. Besides, while certainly unadvisable in a ports mailing list, I'm pretty sure every Ion user out there is smart enough to fetch and compile

Re: x11/dwm (was: Remove x11/ion)

2007-05-02 Thread Okan Demirmen
On Tue 2007.05.01 at 23:12 +0200, Tobias Ulmer wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 03:14:00PM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: On Mon 2007.04.30 at 17:39 +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 12:07:37AM +1000, Donald Bruce Stewart wrote: Urgh. Tuomo is weird sometimes. More reasons

Re: x11/dwm (was: Remove x11/ion)

2007-05-01 Thread Okan Demirmen
On Mon 2007.04.30 at 17:39 +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 12:07:37AM +1000, Donald Bruce Stewart wrote: Urgh. Tuomo is weird sometimes. More reasons to move to wmii / dwmhttp://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm (MIT/X) For dwm, see attachment. switched from ion

Re: x11/dwm (was: Remove x11/ion)

2007-05-01 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 03:14:00PM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: On Mon 2007.04.30 at 17:39 +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 12:07:37AM +1000, Donald Bruce Stewart wrote: Urgh. Tuomo is weird sometimes. More reasons to move to wmii / dwm

Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Pedro Martelletto
As can be seen in http://tinyurl.com/2pelmo [1], the author of x11/ion recently changed the software's license to something obscure, completely open to misinterpretation, and in my opinion incompatible with our ports tree. Therefore, I'd like to propose the complete removal of the port. -p. [1]

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Donald Bruce Stewart
pedro: As can be seen in http://tinyurl.com/2pelmo [1], the author of x11/ion recently changed the software's license to something obscure, completely open to misinterpretation, and in my opinion incompatible with our ports tree. Therefore, I'd like to propose the complete removal of the

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Monday 30 April 2007 15:58:02 Pedro Martelletto wrote: As can be seen in http://tinyurl.com/2pelmo [1], the author of x11/ion recently changed the software's license to something obscure, completely open to misinterpretation, and in my opinion incompatible with our ports tree. Well, the

Re: [+] Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Pedro Martelletto
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 04:17:15PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: Well, the licence is still LGPL, right? Only the use of the name Ion* is restricted in a very weird way. Can't you get in touch with the author to see if this can be fixed in some way, something ala firefox? What we could do

Re: [+] Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Monday 30 April 2007 16:55:21 Pedro Martelletto wrote: What we could do is to distribute the software under a different name, like 'anion'. This way we would not be affected by the restrictions. Yeah, I though about it at first, but I found it weird. I mean, most people will think there's no

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Travers Buda
* Pedro Martelletto [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-30 15:58:02]: As can be seen in http://tinyurl.com/2pelmo [1], the author of x11/ion recently changed the software's license to something obscure, completely open to misinterpretation, and in my opinion incompatible with our ports tree.

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Pedro Martelletto
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:20:37AM -0500, Travers Buda wrote: Point is, the unencumbered port works, no point in removing it over spite. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/7694 The author believes the license change to be retroactive (even though that's clearly not

Re: [+] Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Marco Peereboom
Anion sounds great to me. Please don't kill the port over a name. On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 04:55:21PM +0200, Pedro Martelletto wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 04:17:15PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: Well, the licence is still LGPL, right? Only the use of the name Ion* is restricted in a

x11/dwm (was: Remove x11/ion)

2007-04-30 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 12:07:37AM +1000, Donald Bruce Stewart wrote: Urgh. Tuomo is weird sometimes. More reasons to move to wmii / dwmhttp://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm (MIT/X) For dwm, see attachment. xmonad http://xmonad.org/ (BSD3) If this needs a recent ghc, it still has

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:20:37AM -0500, Travers Buda wrote: Point is, the unencumbered port works, no point in removing it over spite. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/7694 The author believes the license change to be retroactive (even though that's

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Pedro Martelletto
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:45:37AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: I think a better fight against such balony is to keep his code in the ports tree under the existing (previous) license, and let it rot at that level, if need be. Once you release something under a copyright, there is no

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Marco Peereboom
Sure we can keep ion3 ad is but I'd like to pick up the new changes in a forked project called bananawm :-) On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 05:52:04PM +0200, Pedro Martelletto wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:45:37AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: I think a better fight against such balony is to keep

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Pedro Martelletto
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 06:25:21PM +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: The ports tree is here for our users convenience. If a port has a strange license, you can always set the PERMIT_xy fields. Many users use ion, so why should we harrass them? It was not a simple question of removing the port

Re: [+] Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Marc Balmer wrote: Then we should just remove the damn software. No. lol, I love the way you argue... -- Antoine

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 06:25:21PM +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: The ports tree is here for our users convenience. If a port has a strange license, you can always set the PERMIT_xy fields. Many users use ion, so why should we harrass them? It was not a simple question of removing the port

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Pedro Martelletto
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:44:50AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Actually, it is not a matter of conformance against what the author believes. Authors believe the most retarded things from time to time. Sure, but it _was_ due to a possible conformance problem that I suggested the removal of the

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 11:24:07AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: Sure we can keep ion3 ad is but I'd like to pick up the new changes in a forked project called bananawm :-) bananawm? I don't get it. How about FreeIon for a fork: FreeIon: if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the

Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Marc Balmer
* Pedro Martelletto wrote: As can be seen in http://tinyurl.com/2pelmo [1], the author of x11/ion recently changed the software's license to something obscure, completely open to misinterpretation, and in my opinion incompatible with our ports tree. Therefore, I'd like to propose the

Re: [+] Re: Remove x11/ion

2007-04-30 Thread Marc Balmer
* Antoine Jacoutot wrote: On Monday 30 April 2007 16:55:21 Pedro Martelletto wrote: What we could do is to distribute the software under a different name, like 'anion'. This way we would not be affected by the restrictions. Yeah, I though about it at first, but I found it weird. I mean,