Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Pascal Stumpf
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:37:08 +0100, Uwe Werler wrote: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 08:40:40PM +0100, Pascal Stumpf wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:37:12 -0500, Michael McConville wrote: > > > Uwe Werler wrote: > > > > Hello list, > > > > > > > > I'd like to add a Flavor to tor which allows

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Jiri B
IMO the potential risk is high and if I read correctly we haven't seen any numbers how many users need this flavor, just Uwe? :) j.

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Uwe Werler
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 07:29:23AM -0500, Jiri B wrote: > IMO the potential risk is high and if I read correctly > we haven't seen any numbers how many users need this flavor, > just Uwe? :) > > j. > Maybe most people don't see a real scenario for this mode. Ok. The potential risk to die is

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Uwe Werler
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 01:15:03PM +0100, Pascal Stumpf wrote: > On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:37:08 +0100, Uwe Werler wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 08:40:40PM +0100, Pascal Stumpf wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:37:12 -0500, Michael McConville wrote: > > > > Uwe Werler wrote: > > > > > Hello

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Uwe Werler
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 07:29:23AM -0500, Jiri B wrote: > IMO the potential risk is high and if I read correctly > we haven't seen any numbers how many users need this flavor, > just Uwe? :) > > j. > And now my last five ct. OpenBSD ships with *sane defaults*. Possible dangerous features You

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread George Rosamond
Stefan Sperling: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 01:32:25PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: >> But treating this as "extremely dangerous" without offering a path >> forward means that people need to "roll their own" approaches when >> faced with related needs. > > The way forward is use tor properly to

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Uwe Werler
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 08:15:57PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 01:32:25PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > But treating this as "extremely dangerous" without offering a path > > forward means that people need to "roll their own" approaches when > > faced with related

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Michael McConville
Uwe Werler wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 08:15:57PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 01:32:25PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > > But treating this as "extremely dangerous" without offering a path > > > forward means that people need to "roll their own" approaches when >

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 09:42:23PM +0100, Uwe Werler wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 08:15:57PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 01:32:25PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > > But treating this as "extremely dangerous" without offering a path > > > forward means that people

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Pascal Stumpf wrote: > This is exactly one of those scenarios that are extremely dangerous. An > attacker can trivially expose whistleblowers by inspecting the traffic > at the reverse proxy's end. The danger here is that browsers send

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-15 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 01:32:25PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > But treating this as "extremely dangerous" without offering a path > forward means that people need to "roll their own" approaches when > faced with related needs. The way forward is use tor properly to access hidden services.

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-14 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015/11/14 00:50, Uwe Werler wrote: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 12:35:32AM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 01:05:12AM +0100, Rafael Sadowski wrote: > > > I prefer to enable by default: > > > > " Using Tor2web trades off security for convenience and usability." > >

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-14 Thread Uwe Werler
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 12:53:23PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2015/11/14 00:50, Uwe Werler wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 12:35:32AM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 01:05:12AM +0100, Rafael Sadowski wrote: > > > > I prefer to enable by default: > > > > > >

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-14 Thread Uwe Werler
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 08:40:40PM +0100, Pascal Stumpf wrote: > On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:37:12 -0500, Michael McConville wrote: > > Uwe Werler wrote: > > > Hello list, > > > > > > I'd like to add a Flavor to tor which allows Tor2webMode: > > > > This seems like a rare enough use-case that it

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-14 Thread Pascal Stumpf
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:37:12 -0500, Michael McConville wrote: > Uwe Werler wrote: > > Hello list, > > > > I'd like to add a Flavor to tor which allows Tor2webMode: > > This seems like a rare enough use-case that it probably isn't worth a > flavor. I tend to agree. A tor2web proxy is an

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread Michael McConville
Uwe Werler wrote: > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 05:37:12PM -0500, Michael McConville wrote: > > Uwe Werler wrote: > > > Hello list, > > > > > > I'd like to add a Flavor to tor which allows Tor2webMode: > > > > This seems like a rare enough use-case that it probably isn't worth a > > flavor. It also

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread Rafael Sadowski
On Fri Nov 13, 2015 at 05:59:23PM -0500, Michael McConville wrote: > Uwe Werler wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 05:37:12PM -0500, Michael McConville wrote: > > > Uwe Werler wrote: > > > > Hello list, > > > > > > > > I'd like to add a Flavor to tor which allows Tor2webMode: > > > > > > This

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread Uwe Werler
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 05:37:12PM -0500, Michael McConville wrote: > Uwe Werler wrote: > > Hello list, > > > > I'd like to add a Flavor to tor which allows Tor2webMode: > > This seems like a rare enough use-case that it probably isn't worth a > flavor. It also runs the risk that people will

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread Michael McConville
Uwe Werler wrote: > Hello list, > > I'd like to add a Flavor to tor which allows Tor2webMode: This seems like a rare enough use-case that it probably isn't worth a flavor. It also runs the risk that people will think "Tor2web" is what they need (plausible, based on the name) and thereby

net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread Uwe Werler
Hello list, I'd like to add a Flavor to tor which allows Tor2webMode: ## --- net/tor/Makefile.orig Fri Nov 13 05:25:33 2015 +++ net/tor/MakefileFri Nov 13 04:26:09 2015 @@ -12,6 +12,9 @@ # BSD PERMIT_PACKAGE_CDROM= Yes +PSEUDO_FLAVORS = tor2web +FLAVOR ?= +

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread George Rosamond
Stefan Sperling: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 01:05:12AM +0100, Rafael Sadowski wrote: >> I prefer to enable by default: > > " Using Tor2web trades off security for convenience and usability." > https://tor2web.org/ > > Please don't. > I think there's some confusion on this. Tor2Web is a tool

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread Uwe Werler
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 12:35:32AM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 01:05:12AM +0100, Rafael Sadowski wrote: > > I prefer to enable by default: > > " Using Tor2web trades off security for convenience and usability." > https://tor2web.org/ > > Please don't. > >From man:

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread Rafael Sadowski
On Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 12:35:32AM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 01:05:12AM +0100, Rafael Sadowski wrote: > > I prefer to enable by default: > > " Using Tor2web trades off security for convenience and usability." > https://tor2web.org/ > > Please don't. We are talking

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 01:05:12AM +0100, Rafael Sadowski wrote: > I prefer to enable by default: " Using Tor2web trades off security for convenience and usability." https://tor2web.org/ Please don't.

Re: net/tor - add Flavor

2015-11-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015/11/13 17:59, Michael McConville wrote: > Uwe Werler wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 05:37:12PM -0500, Michael McConville wrote: > > > Uwe Werler wrote: > > > > Hello list, > > > > > > > > I'd like to add a Flavor to tor which allows Tor2webMode: > > > > > > This seems like a rare