Re: update blows up

2009-10-11 Thread Philippe Meunier
Marc Espie wrote: Fact: half snapshots are FUCKING ANNOYING. I don't know a working solution for this issue. The bandwidth of the T1 line is an issue. The disk usage on the servers is an issue. A full solution would need to solve both. Let me suggest a partial solution that might get close.

Re: update blows up

2009-10-11 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 03:14:07PM -0400, Philippe Meunier wrote: 5) Modify pkg_add to add extra features. For example, have a special build number for packages that need a new maintainer. When a user tries to install such a package he gets a message this package needs a maintainer, since

Re: update blows up

2009-10-11 Thread Marc Espie
Not a solution as well. It's too rigid. One nice things with packages and dependencies is that it does depend exactly on what is should. Artificial build numbers are just that: artificial. Won't go into more detail now, but your idea is flawed. Thanks for trying.

Re: update blows up

2009-10-11 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:14 -0400, Philippe Meunier meun...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: Marc Espie wrote: Fact: half snapshots are FUCKING ANNOYING. I don't know a working solution for this issue. The bandwidth of the T1 line is an issue. The disk usage on the servers is an issue. A full solution would

Re: update blows up

2009-10-09 Thread Tomasz Pajor
Please stop this silliness, what are You 5? | i am talking about years of insultings by theo. please consult | the archives + i have my private collection. Very nice for you. So you stick around for the insults ? no, not really. i dont judge a product by the social behaviour of its

Re: update blows up

2009-10-09 Thread Gilles Chehade
In Paul's defense, fh is really a moron. Gilles Tomasz Pajor a écrit : Please stop this silliness, what are You 5? | i am talking about years of insultings by theo. please consult | the archives + i have my private collection. Very nice for you. So you stick around for the insults ?

Re: update blows up

2009-10-09 Thread Marc Espie
Look, guys, I'm not going to take sides on this one. Just don't blow it out of proportions. Fact: half snapshots are FUCKING ANNOYING. I don't know a working solution for this issue. The bandwidth of the T1 line is an issue. The disk usage on the servers is an issue. A full solution would need

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2009 Oct 08 (Thu) at 01:34:36 +0200 (+0200), Martin Schröder wrote: :2009/10/8 Stuart Henderson st...@openbsd.org: : If you want something better, download SHA256 and check the hashes. : :I know this has been discussed before, but other free OS solve this :problem (among others) by signing

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
i dont see how this is stupid... Don't worry. Most of us see your name and at that moment delete the mail. This reply is an exception.

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
2009/10/8 Stuart Henderson st...@openbsd.org: If you want something better, download SHA256 and check the hashes. I know this has been discussed before, but other free OS solve this problem (among others) by signing their packages. Feel free to flame me. Solve the problem that all the

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
Mirrors pull from other mirrors, with this method some mirrors will do their own lock handling, others will just rsync the lock files from their upstream and you'll end up with a broken mirror that looks valid. Or something may go wrong and a transfer only goes halfway while indicating

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 12:23:52AM -0600, Theo de Raadt said that Stuart, I think we are missing an opportunity to recruit this person to manage the 50+ mirrors that the project runs, which are of course many many steps removed from the build process... Oh oops. I forgot. We don't

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 02:26:29PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | but you know what? if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still | the internet wussy i was when i got on the internetz. | thank you theo, you made me a better man. i just hope that | one day we will meet in person, and after shaking

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread James Crutchfield
Oh, Paul - don't be so overly dramatic. Regardless of your or anyone else's opinion of the intelligence behind a question, you can't insult a man five times in the same thread and expect that he won't become defensive. You're too smart to ignore the reaction of all creatures, including people,

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 06:54:37AM -0700, James Crutchfield wrote: | Oh, Paul - don't be so overly dramatic. Regardless of your or anyone else's | opinion of the intelligence behind a question, you can't insult a man five | times in the same thread and expect that he won't become defensive. You're

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Gilles Chehade
Paul de Weerd a écrit : On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 06:54:37AM -0700, James Crutchfield wrote: | Oh, Paul - don't be so overly dramatic. Regardless of your or anyone else's | opinion of the intelligence behind a question, you can't insult a man five | times in the same thread and expect that he

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 03:01:17PM +0200, Paul de Weerd said that On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 02:26:29PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | but you know what? if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still | the internet wussy i was when i got on the internetz. | thank you theo, you made me a better

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Brandon Mercer
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 03:01:17PM +0200, Paul de Weerd said that On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 02:26:29PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | but you know what?  if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still | the internet wussy i

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 08:26:48PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 03:01:17PM +0200, Paul de Weerd said that | On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 02:26:29PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | | but you know what? if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still | | the internet wussy i

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:47:21PM +0200, Paul de Weerd said that | i am talking about years of insultings by theo. please consult | the archives + i have my private collection. Very nice for you. So you stick around for the insults ? no, not really. i dont judge a product by the

Re: update blows up

2009-10-08 Thread Daniel Bolgheroni
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009, Gilles Chehade wrote: For some people I would go through the pain of going to their house and punch them in the face or stab them with a fork, given this project was followed by volunteers ;-) Never saw a list where people discuss punches and bits on the same thread.

update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread frantisek holop
hello gang, i have just installed a snapshot and proceeded to update my packages. everything went fine until it got to gtk+2 plus friends. PKG_PATH=./:ftp://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/ amaaq$ sudo pkg_add -ui pango cairo glitz No packages available in the PKG_PATH

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:07:55PM +0200, frantisek holop said that no matter what i do now, everything dies because of the gtk+2 stuff. am i doing something wrong? the mirror is behind? the files are there, i have checked. ok, i think i have found the clue. Error from

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2009/10/07 22:07, frantisek holop wrote: hello gang, i have just installed a snapshot and proceeded to update my packages. everything went fine until it got to gtk+2 plus friends. PKG_PATH=./:ftp://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/ amaaq$ sudo pkg_add -ui pango

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:07:55PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: no matter what i do now, everything dies because of the gtk+2 stuff. am i doing something wrong? the mirror is behind? the files are there, i have checked. you may have hit a mirror fetching new packages right now. retry in a

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread Landry Breuil
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:37:17PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:07:55PM +0200, frantisek holop said that no matter what i do now, everything dies because of the gtk+2 stuff. am i doing something wrong? the mirror is behind? the files are there, i have

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:00:26PM +0200, Landry Breuil said that the mirror is not finished yet probably. hey, what about a nice feature in pkg_add, that while the mirror is doing the bulk build, the build script would create a text file in the ftp directory, .building and remove

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread Landry Breuil
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:49:27PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:00:26PM +0200, Landry Breuil said that the mirror is not finished yet probably. hey, what about a nice feature in pkg_add, that while the mirror is doing the bulk build, the build script

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2009/10/07 23:49, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:00:26PM +0200, Landry Breuil said that the mirror is not finished yet probably. hey, what about a nice feature in pkg_add, that while the mirror is doing the bulk build, the build script would create a text

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread Martin Schröder
2009/10/8 Stuart Henderson st...@openbsd.org: If you want something better, download SHA256 and check the hashes. I know this has been discussed before, but other free OS solve this problem (among others) by signing their packages. Feel free to flame me. Best Martin

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread Daniel Bolgheroni
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, frantisek holop wrote: i mean, this is a legit error situation for pkg_add. i dont see why it cannot be informed about the state of mirror's state of synchronisation... the infrastructure is there to do something similar than this. If you need this kind of certaity when

Re: update blows up

2009-10-07 Thread Brian Shackelford
ports@openbsd.org Subject: Re: update blows up On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, frantisek holop wrote: i mean, this is a legit error situation for pkg_add. i dont see why it cannot be informed about the state of mirror's state of synchronisation... the infrastructure is there to do something similar than