Re: [posted] !!!Copyright issue: Re: Posted (#18346, McGuire and Piper) !

2014-06-20 Thread Greg Newby
John et al.:

Sorry for my long delay.  Here is an explanation of why this item, and
many like it, are in the public domain despite the serial reneweal.

What we've discovered is that the renewals for Astounding (and the
other pulp items we get a lot of our rule 6 clearances for) only
renewed the editorial content, not the stories.

Rule 6 is at http://copy.pglaf.org

We've received legal guidance that such renewals do not cover the
stories.  We speculate that usually copyrights were only granted to
the publisher for the single use in the publication, therefore the
serial publisher did not have standing to renew.

We look separately for a renewal of the story, and in this case
did not find one.

There are some interesting variations on serial renewals, notably when
such a publication is published or collected (often with a different
story title) within a year or two of the serial publication.  Our
rule 6 is designed to maximize the changes we will notice this,
though in practice it can be hard to do.

Let me know if this doesn't make sense to you.  We've cleared
many dozens of items like these, mostly from Astounding and Galaxy.
This is mostly because we have volunteers with interests in sci fi.

  -- Greg


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:28:43AM -0400, John Mark Ockerbloom wrote:
 There's a note on this file saying
 
 This etext was produced from Astounding Science Fiction, February and
 March, 1953. Extensive research did not uncover any evidence that the
 copyright on this publication was renewed.
 
 Copyrights were renewed for the February and March 1953 issues of Astounding
 in 1981.  The February renewal is RE080694, the March renewal is
 RE080684.  Both can be found in the Copyright Office database at
 
http://cocatalog.loc.gov/
 
 by doing a title search on Astounding science fiction.  When sorted
 by date in ascending order, they're currently hits 49 and 50.
 
 Assuming that the renewal of a magazine issue covers the contents first
 published in it (absent a separate renewal for the individual item), it looks
 to me like this work is still under copyright.  Does Gutenberg have evidence
 otherwise?
 
 John
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2006 07:53 AM, David Widger wrote:
 
 Null-ABC, by Henry Beam Piper and John Joseph McGuire
 18346
[Illustrator: van  Dongen]
[Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/1/8/3/4/18346 ]
[Files: 18346.txt; 18346-8.txt; 18346-h.htm]
 
 


[posted] !!!Copyright issue: Re: Posted (#18346, McGuire and Piper) !

2014-03-18 Thread John Mark Ockerbloom

There's a note on this file saying

This etext was produced from Astounding Science Fiction, February and
March, 1953. Extensive research did not uncover any evidence that the
copyright on this publication was renewed.

Copyrights were renewed for the February and March 1953 issues of Astounding
in 1981.  The February renewal is RE080694, the March renewal is
RE080684.  Both can be found in the Copyright Office database at

   http://cocatalog.loc.gov/

by doing a title search on Astounding science fiction.  When sorted
by date in ascending order, they're currently hits 49 and 50.

Assuming that the renewal of a magazine issue covers the contents first
published in it (absent a separate renewal for the individual item), it looks
to me like this work is still under copyright.  Does Gutenberg have evidence
otherwise?

John



On 05/08/2006 07:53 AM, David Widger wrote:


Null-ABC, by Henry Beam Piper and John Joseph McGuire18346
   [Illustrator: van  Dongen]
   [Link: http://www.gutenberg.org/1/8/3/4/18346 ]
   [Files: 18346.txt; 18346-8.txt; 18346-h.htm]