Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-23 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:42:23PM +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > for askcc in smtpd_ask_ccert smtpd_req_ccert Make that: for askcc in smtpd_tls_ask_ccert smtpd_tls_req_ccert -- Viktor.

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-23 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:08:56PM +0100, Andreas Schulze wrote: > >For bonus points, you could look at "smtpd_tls_askccert" and > >"smtpd_tls_req_ccert". If either is set to "yes", append ':!aNULL' > >to the raw openssl cipher list. > > could you please tell more about that? Not much more to t

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-23 Thread Andreas Schulze
Zitat von Viktor Dukhovni : For bonus points, you could look at "smtpd_tls_askccert" and "smtpd_tls_req_ccert". If either is set to "yes", append ':!aNULL' to the raw openssl cipher list. could you please tell more about that? Andreas

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-23 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:40:05PM +0100, Andreas Schulze wrote: > But when I disable RC4 in smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers (I assume) it's > also not used when I enforce encrypt mode !? This script don't say so. Yes, you're right, the script did not cover that case accurately, the code from smtpd(8)

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-23 Thread Andreas Schulze
Zitat von Viktor Dukhovni : With smtpd(8) there are no implicit exclusions so you can build the full list yourself if you want. For example with opportunistic TLS (may): $ server_ciphers() { local use skip ciphers exclude e case $1 in may) use="tls_exp

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-07 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 01:17:54AM +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > With smtpd(8) there are no implicit exclusions so you can build the > full list yourself if you want. For example with opportunistic TLS > (may): One minor correction, with either of: smtpd_tls_ask_ccert = yes sm

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-07 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
thank you very much for all that informations i will add this message to my documentation archive and have a look how hard it is really needed to tweak here - also saw consumer grade routers breaking TLS until restart them somehow i do not expect that Outllok 2010 on Windows 8 has more problems t

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-07 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 01:05:33AM +0100, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: > >>> Note that Postfix will still apply implicit and configured exclusions > >>> to these based on context (!aNULL when verifying peer certificates) > > > > READ THE ABOVE "Note" carefully. The exclusions are applied on > > top o

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-07 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 08.11.2013 00:50, schrieb Viktor Dukhovni: > On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 12:27:13AM +0100, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: > >>> If you MUST muck around with raw OpenSSL cipherlists, the underlying >>> >>> tls__cipherlist >>> >>> parameters are present and documented, along with appropriate >>> warning

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-07 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 12:27:13AM +0100, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: > > If you MUST muck around with raw OpenSSL cipherlists, the underlying > > > > tls__cipherlist > > > > parameters are present and documented, along with appropriate > > warnings to not go there. > > > > Note that Postfix wil

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-07 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
thank you for your feedback Am 07.11.2013 23:45, schrieb Viktor Dukhovni: > Postfix provides a more natural user interface in terms of cipher > grades (null, export, low, medium, high). These have sensibly easy > to reason about security properties. > > I've seen many subtle and not so-subtle er

Re: explicit cipher list

2013-11-07 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 11:31:03PM +0100, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: > http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html#server_tls > > Am I overlooking something or is it not possible to list explicit > offered ciphers and their order like dovecot/httpd for smtpd? Postfix provides a more natural user interfa

explicit cipher list

2013-11-07 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Hi http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html#server_tls am i overlooking something or is it not possible to list explcit offered ciphers and their order like dovecot/httpd fro smtpd? i am speaking here about non-MX servers only for submission what i most appreciate in this way of configuration is o