Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-23 Thread jdebert
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:16:10 -0700 Bob Proulx wrote: > Wietse Venema wrote: > > Postfix was only the messenger of bad news. It does not > > spontaneously self-destruct. > > I have always found Postfix to be extremely reliable and robust. > Which was why this happening on two different systems

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > Could a watchdog timer have killed master(8) if it were suspended > long enough? Seems plausible. I could see something in the code timing out since things would be blocked waiting for I/O for so long.a > Demi Marie Obenour: > > My intuition is that either some timeout s

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Wietse Venema wrote: > Postfix was only the messenger of bad news. It does not > spontaneously self-destruct. I have always found Postfix to be extremely reliable and robust. Which was why this happening on two different systems was such an oddity. Bob

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > it's still possible that: > - postfix was killed by e.g. OOM killer, in which case it could not log that. I disable the OOM with vm.overcommit_memory = 2 so that particular thing won't be it. > - the logs were lost because of systemd's log limits That is possible.

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-23 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
Could a watchdog timer have killed master(8) if it were suspended long enough? > On 23 Dec 2021, at 1:57 pm, Wietse Venema wrote: > >> My intuition is that either some timeout somewhere got hit, or that >> some I/O failed (rather than being queued forever) and caused an error >> paging in some c

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-23 Thread Wietse Venema
Demi Marie Obenour: > My intuition is that either some timeout somewhere got hit, or that > some I/O failed (rather than being queued forever) and caused an error > paging in some code. That would cause Postfix to die with SIGBUS. If the file system was unavailable, then yes, failure to page in

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Bob Proulx: > Any ideas on why postfix would not be running after such an event on > two of the systems but okay on the others? Wietse Venema wrote: LOGS. Postfix logs a sh*load, including processes that fail to start. If the systems were unable to record this in LOGS, then you will never know

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-23 Thread Wietse Venema
Bob Proulx: > Wietse Venema wrote: > > Bob Proulx: > > > Any ideas on why postfix would not be running after such an event on > > > two of the systems but okay on the others? > > > > LOGS. Postfix logs a sh*load, including processes that fail to > > start. If the systems were unable to record this

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-22 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 12/22/21 8:26 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Everything is good so no stress about anything here but I am poking at > the log files with a stick after a strange incident. Perhaps this > tripped over some problem that discussing it might either enlighten me > or perhaps unlikely improve things. Who kn

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-22 Thread Bob Proulx
Wietse Venema wrote: > Bob Proulx: > > Any ideas on why postfix would not be running after such an event on > > two of the systems but okay on the others? > > LOGS. Postfix logs a sh*load, including processes that fail to > start. If the systems were unable to record this in LOGS, then you > will

Re: After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-22 Thread Wietse Venema
Bob Proulx: > Any ideas on why postfix would not be running after such an event on > two of the systems but okay on the others? LOGS. Postfix logs a sh*load, including processes that fail to start. If the systems were unable to record this in LOGS, then you will never know. Wietse

After network outage postfix found not running

2021-12-22 Thread Bob Proulx
Everything is good so no stress about anything here but I am poking at the log files with a stick after a strange incident. Perhaps this tripped over some problem that discussing it might either enlighten me or perhaps unlikely improve things. Who knows? The GNU Savannah software forge had a net