re: (graylisting) better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-21 Thread Josh Cason
I treid grey listng and don't use it because too many servers were not re-sending the e-mail back asap. Alot did and there was no problem. But some took up to a day to retry the message. I remeber reading about DPSAM. Also going to look at amavisd-new and assp. I like the idea of calling it a

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread lst_hoe02
Zitat von Henrik K h...@hege.li: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:06:44PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I will say generically that for an OP who has the time, avoiding content filters and using SMTP time blocking methods is probably more effective in the long run and makes more efficient use of

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Patrick Proniewski
On 16 juil. 2010, at 09:27, lst_ho...@kwsoft.de wrote: In Germany many companies have given up on content filtering because it is not allowed to drop mail after accepting, if there is a chance that private mail *could* be involved. So with content filter your only choice would be to tag

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 16.07.2010 09:27, schrieb lst_ho...@kwsoft.de: Zitat von Henrik K h...@hege.li: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:06:44PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I will say generically that for an OP who has the time, avoiding content filters and using SMTP time blocking methods is probably more effective

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread lst_hoe02
Zitat von Robert Schetterer rob...@schetterer.org: Am 16.07.2010 09:27, schrieb lst_ho...@kwsoft.de: Zitat von Henrik K h...@hege.li: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:06:44PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I will say generically that for an OP who has the time, avoiding content filters and using

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 16.07.2010 10:15, schrieb lst_ho...@kwsoft.de: Zitat von Robert Schetterer rob...@schetterer.org: Am 16.07.2010 09:27, schrieb lst_ho...@kwsoft.de: Zitat von Henrik K h...@hege.li: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:06:44PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I will say generically that for an OP who

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread lst_hoe02
Zitat von Robert Schetterer rob...@schetterer.org: Am 16.07.2010 10:15, schrieb lst_ho...@kwsoft.de: Zitat von Robert Schetterer rob...@schetterer.org: Am 16.07.2010 09:27, schrieb lst_ho...@kwsoft.de: Zitat von Henrik K h...@hege.li: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:06:44PM -0500, Stan

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:03:27 +0200 Von: Robert Schetterer rob...@schetterer.org An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix Am 16.07.2010 10:15, schrieb lst_ho...@kwsoft.de: Zitat von Robert Schetterer rob

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 16.07.2010 13:10, schrieb Steve: Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:03:27 +0200 Von: Robert Schetterer rob...@schetterer.org An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix Am 16.07.2010 10:15, schrieb lst_ho...@kwsoft.de: Zitat

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Mikael Bak
Steve wrote: [big snip] So you have made your point. You prefer (or are required) to have user in control. Yes. The big problem is that no solution out there is 100% accurate for all users. So the only way to make the user happy is to delegate the control to him. Can't speek for all

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Kenneth Marshall
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 02:55:17PM +0200, Mikael Bak wrote: Steve wrote: [big snip] So you have made your point. You prefer (or are required) to have user in control. Yes. The big problem is that no solution out there is 100% accurate for all users. So the only way to make the user

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:55:17 +0200 Von: Mikael Bak mik...@t-online.hu An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix Steve wrote: [big snip] So you have made your point. You prefer (or are required) to have user

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:09:54 -0500 Von: Kenneth Marshall k...@rice.edu An: Mikael Bak mik...@t-online.hu CC: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 02:55:17PM +0200, Mikael Bak wrote: Steve

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Kenneth Marshall
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 08:06:11PM +0200, Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:09:54 -0500 Von: Kenneth Marshall k...@rice.edu An: Mikael Bak mik...@t-online.hu CC: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix On Fri

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-16 Thread Wietse Venema
Steve: Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:44:23 -0400 Von: Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix Steve, I request that you end this thread. Wietse

Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Josh Cason
As most of you guys know. I use mailscanner. I would like recomendations of what else to use. I prefer a all in one package like what mailscanner does. It also utilizes clamav and spamassion. The problem is most of the information I find on the net is outdated or for projects that stops.

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Kai Krakow
Use greylisting, eg postgrey and set it up to work before amavisd-new or mailscanner. 2010/7/15 Josh Cason joc...@mychoice.cc As most of you guys know. I use mailscanner. I would like recomendations of what else to use. I prefer a all in one package like what mailscanner does. It also

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:37:48 +0200 Von: Ralf Hildebrandt ralf.hildebra...@charite.de An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix * Josh Cason joc...@mychoice.cc: As most of you guys know. I use mailscanner. I would

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Bradley Giesbrecht
Or sqlgrey, a fork of postgrey. http://sqlgrey.sourceforge.net/ On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Kai Krakow wrote: Use greylisting, eg postgrey and set it up to work before amavisd-new or mailscanner. 2010/7/15 Josh Cason joc...@mychoice.cc As most of you guys know. I use mailscanner. I would

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:03:17 -0700 Von: Bradley Giesbrecht bradley.giesbre...@gmail.com An: postfix-users postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix Or sqlgrey, a fork of postgrey. http://sqlgrey.sourceforge.net

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread joe
On 07/15/2010 12:29 PM, Steve wrote: Or GROSS (the only greylisting application that I know working with a bloom filter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_filter)). http://code.google.com/p/gross/ Thanks for the link, what I see there is very interesting - I'll check this out... Joe

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 09:02:52PM +0200, Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:37:48 +0200 Von: Ralf Hildebrandt ralf.hildebra...@charite.de An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix * Josh Cason joc

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 23:54:22 +0300 Von: Henrik K h...@hege.li An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 09:02:52PM +0200, Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 15

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:16:43PM +0200, Steve wrote: If you looking for something that is beyond just being better then I recommend CRM114 or DSPAM or OSBF-Lua. If you insist in having the AV included in the Anti-Spam tool then use something like DSPAM. I'd consider those as

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 02:09:43 +0300 Von: Henrik K h...@hege.li An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Better spam filter for postfix On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:16:43PM +0200, Steve wrote: If you looking for something that is beyond just

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Steve put forth on 7/15/2010 4:16 PM: * if you feed wrong data to the Anti-Spam filter then the filter will make errors. Content (header/body) filters have always been error prone and always will be. The key to success is if the error rate is acceptable. For users to train them, they have

Re: Better spam filter for postfix

2010-07-15 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:06:44PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I will say generically that for an OP who has the time, avoiding content filters and using SMTP time blocking methods is probably more effective in the long run and makes more efficient use of network and server resources. You