Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-11 Thread Andreas Kasenides
On 10-12-2013 18:12, moparisthebest wrote: Hello, I don't know if you want to go this far as it requires slight customization, but my setup is postfix+postfixadmin+dovecot with owncloud providing storage (webdav), calendar (caldav), and contacts (carddav) as well as a nice web interface if you

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-11 Thread Dominik George
You could even tell people it's exchange and they wouldn't know from the front-end, and best of all it's all FOSS. I'm not sure if a big corporation would go for it, but it is an option. Rumor has it that this has been working well even on governmental level. The government of an unnamed

OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Charles Marcus
Hello, There has been some whispers about considering migrating our mail systems to Exchange Server. I want to try to nip this in the bud. I would like to ask for some help with providing some kind of comparison of large(r) commercial companies use of email systems... specifically, those

OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Charles Marcus
Hello, There has been some whispers about considering migrating our mail systems to Exchange Server, and I want to try to nip this in the bud if possible. I would like to ask for some help with providing some kind of comparison of mid to large(r) commercial companies use of email systems...

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On 10 Dec 2013, at 14:57, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: There has been some whispers about considering migrating our mail systems to Exchange Server, and I want to try to nip this in the bud if possible. I would like to ask for some help with providing some kind of

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Giles Coochey
On 10/12/2013 13:57, Charles Marcus wrote: Hello, There has been some whispers about considering migrating our mail systems to Exchange Server, and I want to try to nip this in the bud if possible. I would like to ask for some help with providing some kind of comparison of mid to large(r)

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-12-10 9:23 AM, DTNX Postmaster postmas...@dtnx.net wrote: Do your own comparison based on the TCO of what you have, vs. what you will need for Exchange Server. Focus on the needs of the company over a five-year time period. Include the higher hardware requirements, licensing, extra

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 10.12.2013 15:42, schrieb Charles Marcus: My question has to do with the POLITICAL aspect of this question of what constitutes 'normal' for mid to large(r) companies. what means political ? such as with closed source you never know about backdoors ? Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer --

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On 10 Dec 2013, at 15:42, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2013-12-10 9:23 AM, DTNX Postmaster postmas...@dtnx.net wrote: Do your own comparison based on the TCO of what you have, vs. what you will need for Exchange Server. Focus on the needs of the company over a five-year

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Edward Rudd
On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:49 , Robert Schetterer wrote: Am 10.12.2013 15:42, schrieb Charles Marcus: My question has to do with the POLITICAL aspect of this question of what constitutes 'normal' for mid to large(r) companies. what means political ? such as with closed source you never know

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-12-10 10:02 AM, Edward Rudd ur...@outoforder.cc wrote: You have been lucky where you work then:) The political nature comes in when some Executive @ the company gets it stuck in his head that we *HAVE* to switch to Exchange but does the dog and pony show of letting the IT department

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Giles Coochey
On 10/12/2013 15:23, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2013-12-10 10:02 AM, Edward Rudd ur...@outoforder.cc wrote: You have been lucky where you work then:) The political nature comes in when some Executive @ the company gets it stuck in his head that we *HAVE* to switch to Exchange but does the dog

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-12-10 10:28 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote: Personally, it seems to me that if company A (that is an all Microsoft/Exchange shop) wants to buy company B, that is not using Exchange (say, uses SOGo, with clients being able to choose between Outlook or Thunderbird for their

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-12-10 10:42 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio k...@jots.org wrote: But, alas, I don't believe there are any full-fledged, viable, open-source solutions that supply Outlook-compliant mail *and* calendaring. SOGo is just that... supposedly (we haven't used it yet). According to the SOGo people,

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
You say mail, but you mention Exchange and Zimbra. If you're just looking for mail, I'd recommend Postfix as your MTA, and Dovecot or Cyrus as your IMAP, with a Roundcube web-based front end (and fat clients available for thems that want 'em -- though Roundcube is really pretty awesome: I'm

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Giles Coochey
On 10/12/2013 15:36, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2013-12-10 10:28 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote: Personally, it seems to me that if company A (that is an all Microsoft/Exchange shop) wants to buy company B, that is not using Exchange (say, uses SOGo, with clients being able to choose

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread moparisthebest
Hello, I don't know if you want to go this far as it requires slight customization, but my setup is postfix+postfixadmin+dovecot with owncloud providing storage (webdav), calendar (caldav), and contacts (carddav) as well as a nice web interface if you prefer to use that. Roundcube provides

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Charles Marcus wrote: On 2013-12-10 10:42 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio k...@jots.org wrote: But, alas, I don't believe there are any full-fledged, viable, open-source solutions that supply Outlook-compliant mail *and* calendaring. SOGo is just that... supposedly (we haven't used it yet). According to

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread John
'You have been lucky where you work then:) The political nature comes in when some Executive @ the company gets it stuck in his head that we *HAVE* to switch to Exchange' Usually because some marketing shark from M$ has started the FUD campaign by whispered in his ear do you want people to

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 12:29 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: Hello, There has been some whispers about considering migrating our mail systems to Exchange Server. I want to try to nip this in the bud. I would like to ask for some help with providing some kind of comparison of large(r) commercial

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 10.12.2013 21:08, schrieb Bron Gondwana: For what it's worth, Cyrus will have caldav and carddav support soon. There's a beta branch based on the 2.4 release, and it's close to ready to put directly into the master branch too. We're planning to release a web based calendar client and port

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread Jure Simsic
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.comwrote: Hello, Does anyone know of any decent non-biased studies that have been done, hopefully relatively recently (last few years), that provide such a comparison? You'll have a hard time finding any unbiased studies

Re: OT: Large corporate email systems - Exchange vs open source *nix based

2013-12-10 Thread jeffrey j donovan
On Dec 10, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: Does anyone know of any decent non-biased studies that have been done, hopefully relatively recently (last few years), that provide such a comparison? Greetings, I just went through this with a new administrator,