powermail-discuss Digest #2695 - Friday, September 21, 2007
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Winston Weinmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(3): Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Winston Weinmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Barbara Needham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Barbara Needham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Powermail support (Was: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Bernd Fröhlich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Powermail support (Was: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Un
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Richard Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): Powermail support (Was: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is
by "Winston Weinmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Michael J. Hußmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Barbara Needham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "PowerMail Engineering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
by "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:11:16 -0500
Paul,
Even finding and collecting all the unread mail and putting it all in
one place is a mammoth task (hundreds of nested folders, etc, as below),
and filters do not get all mail filed where it belongs - while I do have
several dozen filters to handle the majority of mail, I actually file
many things *gasp* by hand ;-)
No, I can't really envision any sort of workaround here - I need for the
read flags to be respected, in place.
Still haven't heard anything from CTM on this issue - is there some
reason the read flags aren't being exported? Am I using the wrong export
format?
Steve
On 9/21/07 at 12:49 AM, Paul Collett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>Regarding the idea of moving all the unread mail into a temp directory,
>doing the transfer to Mail app and then transferring the unread messages
>back to their original folders - once you set up/transfer over all the
>current filters you're using to deal with your mail, won't you be able
>to apply them to the temp folder and get the unread messages back where
>they belong?
>
>Paul
>
>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:49:37 -0500 Steve Abrahamson wrote:
>
>>On 9/18/07 at 6:57 PM, Ben Kennedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>>
>>>Steve Abrahamson wrote at 11:07 AM (-0500) on 9/14/07:
>>>
>>>>I'm trying to move an account over to Mail (partially in an effort to
>>>>dodge the 2 gig limit that looms on the nearing horizon), and when I
>>>>drag a folder out to the Desktop, and then import it into Mail, all the
>>>>mail comes in as unread.
>>>
>>>Hey Steve,
>>>
>>>I don't use Apple Mail, but is there not some way (as there is in
>>>PowerMail) to select a range of messages and then mark them as unread?
>>>Wouldn't that solve the problem?
>>>
>>>Alternatively, if the issue is that you have a mix of read and unread
>>>messages in PM whose statuses you wish to preserve, I would suggest
>>>creating additional temp folder[s], moving the unread messages to there
>>>for the export, and then re-adjusting their statuses accordingly once in
>>>Apple Mail.
>>
>>Ben,
>>
>>Thanks for your thoughts. The idea is to preserve the read/unread status
>>where the messages reside.
>>
>>I have over 100 nested folders, somewhere between 50k-100k emails, and
>>the read and unread are interspersed throughout. Creating an "unread"
>>folder and moving all unread mail there, then putting it back, would be
>>a massive undertaking.
>>
>>Steve
>
>
>
Steve Abrahamson
Ascending Technologies
FileMaker 7 & 8 Certified Developer
http://www.asctech.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re(2): Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Winston Weinmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:57:57 -0400
Steve -
I tried my suggestion to export test files using the various export
formats PowerMail supports. I tried Eudora, Mail, Unix, PowerMail
Exchange, Tab Text and Tab Text UTF8. I had one Read message and one
Unread message in each export.
In every case PowerMail had this for both messages:
Status: U
Below is a simplified version of what the Unix export shows.
Maybe this is why CTM has not responded. PowerMail does not export Read/
Unread flags properly. It sets them all to Unread.
While I love PowerMail, it has some bugs in it that are like beta level
software. CTM should be embarrassed, and probably is.
Can anyone help with a script? (Maybe a modification of the "Change
subject" script that adds a Read flag to those messages?)
- Winston
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
Status: U
From: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Export Test - Unread
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:29:43 -0400
X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5.3 build 4480 English (PPC)
Export test for UN-read mail.
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
Status: U
From: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Export Test - Read
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:29:07 -0400
X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5.3 build 4480 English (PPC)
Export test for read mail.
Steve Abrahamson wrote:
>Paul,
>
>Even finding and collecting all the unread mail and putting it all in
>one place is a mammoth task (hundreds of nested folders, etc, as below),
>and filters do not get all mail filed where it belongs - while I do have
>several dozen filters to handle the majority of mail, I actually file
>many things *gasp* by hand ;-)
>
>No, I can't really envision any sort of workaround here - I need for the
>read flags to be respected, in place.
>
>Still haven't heard anything from CTM on this issue - is there some
>reason the read flags aren't being exported? Am I using the wrong export
>format?
>
>Steve
>
>
>On 9/21/07 at 12:49 AM, Paul Collett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>
>>Regarding the idea of moving all the unread mail into a temp directory,
>>doing the transfer to Mail app and then transferring the unread messages
>>back to their original folders - once you set up/transfer over all the
>>current filters you're using to deal with your mail, won't you be able
>>to apply them to the temp folder and get the unread messages back where
>>they belong?
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:49:37 -0500 Steve Abrahamson wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/18/07 at 6:57 PM, Ben Kennedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>>>
>>>>Steve Abrahamson wrote at 11:07 AM (-0500) on 9/14/07:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm trying to move an account over to Mail (partially in an effort to
>>>>>dodge the 2 gig limit that looms on the nearing horizon), and when I
>>>>>drag a folder out to the Desktop, and then import it into Mail, all the
>>>>>mail comes in as unread.
>>>>
>>>>Hey Steve,
>>>>
>>>>I don't use Apple Mail, but is there not some way (as there is in
>>>>PowerMail) to select a range of messages and then mark them as unread?
>>>>Wouldn't that solve the problem?
>>>>
>>>>Alternatively, if the issue is that you have a mix of read and unread
>>>>messages in PM whose statuses you wish to preserve, I would suggest
>>>>creating additional temp folder[s], moving the unread messages to there
>>>>for the export, and then re-adjusting their statuses accordingly once in
>>>>Apple Mail.
>>>
>>>Ben,
>>>
>>>Thanks for your thoughts. The idea is to preserve the read/unread status
>>>where the messages reside.
>>>
>>>I have over 100 nested folders, somewhere between 50k-100k emails, and
>>>the read and unread are interspersed throughout. Creating an "unread"
>>>folder and moving all unread mail there, then putting it back, would be
>>>a massive undertaking.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Steve Abrahamson
>Ascending Technologies
>FileMaker 7 & 8 Certified Developer
> http://www.asctech.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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Subject: Re(3): Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Winston Weinmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:25:45 -0400
Steve -
Also, near as I can tell, PowerMail exports no flag for Sent or Draft
mail. So there is no way to tell them apart in an export. This could be
a problem for people who use draft messages as notes.
Would using Emailchemy solve your problem?
- Winston
Winston Weinmann wrote:
>Steve -
>
>I tried my suggestion to export test files using the various export
>formats PowerMail supports. I tried Eudora, Mail, Unix, PowerMail
>Exchange, Tab Text and Tab Text UTF8. I had one Read message and one
>Unread message in each export.
>
>In every case PowerMail had this for both messages:
> Status: U
>Below is a simplified version of what the Unix export shows.
>
>Maybe this is why CTM has not responded. PowerMail does not export Read/
>Unread flags properly. It sets them all to Unread.
>
>While I love PowerMail, it has some bugs in it that are like beta level
>software. CTM should be embarrassed, and probably is.
>
>
>Can anyone help with a script? (Maybe a modification of the "Change
>subject" script that adds a Read flag to those messages?)
>
>
>- Winston
>
>
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
>Status: U
>From: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Export Test - Unread
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:29:43 -0400
>X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5.3 build 4480 English (PPC)
>
>Export test for UN-read mail.
>
>
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
>Status: U
>From: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Export Test - Read
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:29:07 -0400
>X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5.3 build 4480 English (PPC)
>
>Export test for read mail.
>
>
>
>
>Steve Abrahamson wrote:
>
>>Paul,
>>
>>Even finding and collecting all the unread mail and putting it all in
>>one place is a mammoth task (hundreds of nested folders, etc, as below),
>>and filters do not get all mail filed where it belongs - while I do have
>>several dozen filters to handle the majority of mail, I actually file
>>many things *gasp* by hand ;-)
>>
>>No, I can't really envision any sort of workaround here - I need for the
>>read flags to be respected, in place.
>>
>>Still haven't heard anything from CTM on this issue - is there some
>>reason the read flags aren't being exported? Am I using the wrong export
>>format?
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>On 9/21/07 at 12:49 AM, Paul Collett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>>
>>>Regarding the idea of moving all the unread mail into a temp directory,
>>>doing the transfer to Mail app and then transferring the unread messages
>>>back to their original folders - once you set up/transfer over all the
>>>current filters you're using to deal with your mail, won't you be able
>>>to apply them to the temp folder and get the unread messages back where
>>>they belong?
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:49:37 -0500 Steve Abrahamson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 9/18/07 at 6:57 PM, Ben Kennedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>>>>
>>>>>Steve Abrahamson wrote at 11:07 AM (-0500) on 9/14/07:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm trying to move an account over to Mail (partially in an effort to
>>>>>>dodge the 2 gig limit that looms on the nearing horizon), and when I
>>>>>>drag a folder out to the Desktop, and then import it into Mail, all the
>>>>>>mail comes in as unread.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't use Apple Mail, but is there not some way (as there is in
>>>>>PowerMail) to select a range of messages and then mark them as unread?
>>>>>Wouldn't that solve the problem?
>>>>>
>>>>>Alternatively, if the issue is that you have a mix of read and unread
>>>>>messages in PM whose statuses you wish to preserve, I would suggest
>>>>>creating additional temp folder[s], moving the unread messages to there
>>>>>for the export, and then re-adjusting their statuses accordingly once in
>>>>>Apple Mail.
>>>>
>>>>Ben,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your thoughts. The idea is to preserve the read/unread status
>>>>where the messages reside.
>>>>
>>>>I have over 100 nested folders, somewhere between 50k-100k emails, and
>>>>the read and unread are interspersed throughout. Creating an "unread"
>>>>folder and moving all unread mail there, then putting it back, would be
>>>>a massive undertaking.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Steve Abrahamson
>>Ascending Technologies
>>FileMaker 7 & 8 Certified Developer
>> http://www.asctech.com
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Barbara Needham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:32:24 -0700
Winston Weinmann on 9/20/07 said
>Steve -
>
>Also, near as I can tell, PowerMail exports no flag for Sent or Draft
>mail. So there is no way to tell them apart in an export. This could be
>a problem for people who use draft messages as notes.
>
>Would using Emailchemy solve your problem?
The trouble is that emailchemy while it lists many many proprietary
programs from which it will directly deal with, PowerMail is not one of
them; so all it can deal with is what PM exports.
The only other suggestion that came to me today is that perhaps you can
get some help from the MAIL side to see what is needed; at the Apple
Discussion groups at the apple website there is some genius mail guru
that seems to have good answers to almost everything; you can tell who he
is because on the right hand side he is the one at the top with the most
answers.
--
Barbara Needham
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Barbara Needham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:51:20 -0700
Barbara Needham on 9/20/07 said
OK, this is the only way I can see to do this; which will take some time
but preserve read/unread status. Well, it doesn't actually preserve it
but keep track of it.
It involves pretty much what other people have said, but not mixing up
your folders. But you would have to export each folder in two batches. Go
to a folder, sort by read/unread, then export selected messages as
"folder name/read" and "folder name/unread." When they get in to Mail, in
the folder name/read mark all those messages as read, then combine the
unread and the read into one folder.
This would be a long job but it would preserve your folders and status
and if you are moving to mail permanently should only have to be done once.
Sent mail wouldn't be a problem because you would export the Sent Mail
folder as one folder, even though it might not maintain the "sent" flag.
It would end up being different from your Mail "sent" folder though. You
might want to name it "Mail that was sent from PowerMail."
--
Barbara Needham
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Subject: Powermail support (Was: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is
Unread)
From: "Bernd Fröhlich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:07:57 +0200
Winston Weinmann schrieb:
> While I love PowerMail, it has some bugs in it that are like beta level
> software. CTM should be embarrassed, and probably is.
>
That pretty much confirms my suspicion. I was thinking about using
PowerMail but wanted to see how it is supported first, so I subscribed
to this list.
From their website I already had the impression that it is not receiving
much attention and this thread confirms it.
Greetings from Germany,
Bernd Fröhlich
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Subject: Re: Powermail support (Was: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is
Unread)
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:36:07 +0900
Bernd,
Am/On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:07:57 +0200 schrieb/wrote Bernd Fröhlich:
>Winston Weinmann schrieb:
>> While I love PowerMail, it has some bugs in it that are like beta level
>> software. CTM should be embarrassed, and probably is.
>>
>
>That pretty much confirms my suspicion. I was thinking about using
>PowerMail but wanted to see how it is supported first, so I subscribed
>to this list.
>From their website I already had the impression that it is not receiving
>much attention and this thread confirms it.
not true period.
I'm using PM since years without any flaw.
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:59:08 -0500
Winston,
Thank you for your testing on this, as it certainly pinpoints the point
of failure. Not what I'd wanted to find, but glad to have found an answer.
See my post to Barbara's following this for more. Just wanted to thank
you for the detailed testing work you did to uncover this very odd flaw,
bug, shortcoming, or just plain oddity of PM.
Steve
On 9/20/07 at 9:57 PM, Winston Weinmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>Steve -
>
>I tried my suggestion to export test files using the various export
>formats PowerMail supports. I tried Eudora, Mail, Unix, PowerMail
>Exchange, Tab Text and Tab Text UTF8. I had one Read message and one
>Unread message in each export.
>
>In every case PowerMail had this for both messages:
> Status: U
>Below is a simplified version of what the Unix export shows.
>
>Maybe this is why CTM has not responded. PowerMail does not export Read/
>Unread flags properly. It sets them all to Unread.
>
>While I love PowerMail, it has some bugs in it that are like beta level
>software. CTM should be embarrassed, and probably is.
>
>
>Can anyone help with a script? (Maybe a modification of the "Change
>subject" script that adds a Read flag to those messages?)
>
>
>- Winston
>
>
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
>Status: U
>From: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Export Test - Unread
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:29:43 -0400
>X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5.3 build 4480 English (PPC)
>
>Export test for UN-read mail.
>
>
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
>Status: U
>From: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Export Test - Read
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:29:07 -0400
>X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5.3 build 4480 English (PPC)
>
>Export test for read mail.
>
>
>
>
>Steve Abrahamson wrote:
>
>>Paul,
>>
>>Even finding and collecting all the unread mail and putting it all in
>>one place is a mammoth task (hundreds of nested folders, etc, as below),
>>and filters do not get all mail filed where it belongs - while I do have
>>several dozen filters to handle the majority of mail, I actually file
>>many things *gasp* by hand ;-)
>>
>>No, I can't really envision any sort of workaround here - I need for the
>>read flags to be respected, in place.
>>
>>Still haven't heard anything from CTM on this issue - is there some
>>reason the read flags aren't being exported? Am I using the wrong export
>>format?
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>On 9/21/07 at 12:49 AM, Paul Collett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>>
>>>Regarding the idea of moving all the unread mail into a temp directory,
>>>doing the transfer to Mail app and then transferring the unread messages
>>>back to their original folders - once you set up/transfer over all the
>>>current filters you're using to deal with your mail, won't you be able
>>>to apply them to the temp folder and get the unread messages back where
>>>they belong?
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:49:37 -0500 Steve Abrahamson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 9/18/07 at 6:57 PM, Ben Kennedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>>>>
>>>>>Steve Abrahamson wrote at 11:07 AM (-0500) on 9/14/07:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm trying to move an account over to Mail (partially in an effort to
>>>>>>dodge the 2 gig limit that looms on the nearing horizon), and when I
>>>>>>drag a folder out to the Desktop, and then import it into Mail, all the
>>>>>>mail comes in as unread.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't use Apple Mail, but is there not some way (as there is in
>>>>>PowerMail) to select a range of messages and then mark them as unread?
>>>>>Wouldn't that solve the problem?
>>>>>
>>>>>Alternatively, if the issue is that you have a mix of read and unread
>>>>>messages in PM whose statuses you wish to preserve, I would suggest
>>>>>creating additional temp folder[s], moving the unread messages to there
>>>>>for the export, and then re-adjusting their statuses accordingly once in
>>>>>Apple Mail.
>>>>
>>>>Ben,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your thoughts. The idea is to preserve the read/unread status
>>>>where the messages reside.
>>>>
>>>>I have over 100 nested folders, somewhere between 50k-100k emails, and
>>>>the read and unread are interspersed throughout. Creating an "unread"
>>>>folder and moving all unread mail there, then putting it back, would be
>>>>a massive undertaking.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
Steve Abrahamson
Ascending Technologies
FileMaker 7 & 8 Certified Developer
http://www.asctech.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:10:34 -0500
Barbara,
Wow, is that ugly - and yet, I cannot help but agree with your
conclusion that this is actually the simplest way to manage this. And
it's ponderous, to say the least.
Sadly, it leaves me feeling like PM is keeping me hostage, and I really,
really don't like to feel that way. My feeling is that if an application
"lets you leave" any time you want, it's doing its best for you and is
honest in keeping your business. If an application makes it difficult
(or impossible) to leave with your things, then the developers (again,
this is always my feeling, not necessarily what CTM are doing) are not
confident in their product's superiority and are going to try to keep
you by making it too hard to switch.
Ultimately, though, as much as I like PM, this issue, in combination
with the 2 gig limit (which this was an effort to sidestep) may push me
from PM entirely. If this was going to be something I could manage on a
somewhat regular basis - to move a bunch of mail out to Mail, and
thereby have all of my mail available all the time - I'd keep it up. If,
however, this process is this involved, it may, to my sadness, simply be
easier to move it *all* once and be done.
It's a shame. I like PowerMail. I like the idea of an independent
developer-based mail app. I don't particularly like being tied to
Apple's cycle of OS updates to update my apps. But the time may have
come where PowerMail, which I chose initially because my mail needs
surpassed Mail's abilities, no longer can meet my mail needs.
Sad, really.
I'll have to ponder this a bit, but it doesn't leave me feeling positive
about the future of my mail app of choice.
Barbara, again, thanks for the clear thinking on this one. It really
does look like the only way to move mail accurately out of PowerMail.
Sincerely,
Steve
On 9/20/07 at 8:51 PM, Barbara Needham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>Barbara Needham on 9/20/07 said
>
>OK, this is the only way I can see to do this; which will take some time
>but preserve read/unread status. Well, it doesn't actually preserve it
>but keep track of it.
>
>It involves pretty much what other people have said, but not mixing up
>your folders. But you would have to export each folder in two batches. Go
>to a folder, sort by read/unread, then export selected messages as
>"folder name/read" and "folder name/unread." When they get in to Mail, in
>the folder name/read mark all those messages as read, then combine the
>unread and the read into one folder.
>
>This would be a long job but it would preserve your folders and status
>and if you are moving to mail permanently should only have to be done once.
>
>Sent mail wouldn't be a problem because you would export the Sent Mail
>folder as one folder, even though it might not maintain the "sent" flag.
>It would end up being different from your Mail "sent" folder though. You
>might want to name it "Mail that was sent from PowerMail."
>
>--
>Barbara Needham
Steve Abrahamson
Ascending Technologies
FileMaker 7 & 8 Certified Developer
http://www.asctech.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Richard Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:28:33 -0500
If you reach the 2 GB limit you can make another user.
Wouldn't be much different from searching your mail archive
with another mail app.
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:05:47 -0500
On 9/21/07 at 7:28 AM, Richard Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>If you reach the 2 GB limit you can make another user.
>
>Wouldn't be much different from searching your mail archive
>with another mail app.
I can have PowerMail and Mail.app running at the same time; I cannot
have both users running at the same time in PowerMail.
And, as this thread has revealed, this point may ultimately be moot.
Steve Abrahamson
Ascending Technologies
FileMaker 7 & 8 Certified Developer
http://www.asctech.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re(2): Powermail support (Was: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail
is Unread)
From: "Winston Weinmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:42:03 -0400
Matthias -
With all due respect, I think it is more accurate to say that the flaws
which PowerMail has (such as not being able to print HTML mail) do not
bother /you/. That does not mean PowerMail does not have flaws, nor does
it excuse CTM for not acknowledging or addressing those flaws if they
affect other users.
Regards,
- Winston
Matthias Schmidt wrote:
>Bernd,
>
>Am/On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:07:57 +0200 schrieb/wrote Bernd Fröhlich:
>
>>Winston Weinmann schrieb:
>>> While I love PowerMail, it has some bugs in it that are like beta level
>>> software. CTM should be embarrassed, and probably is.
>>>
>>
>>That pretty much confirms my suspicion. I was thinking about using
>>PowerMail but wanted to see how it is supported first, so I subscribed
>>to this list.
>>From their website I already had the impression that it is not receiving
>>much attention and this thread confirms it.
>
>not true period.
>I'm using PM since years without any flaw.
>
>Thanks and all the best
>
>Matthias
>
>
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:44:53 +0100
Steve Abrahamson (21/9/07, 14:05) said:
>On 9/21/07 at 7:28 AM, Richard Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>
>>If you reach the 2 GB limit you can make another user.
>>
>>Wouldn't be much different from searching your mail archive
>>with another mail app.
>
>I can have PowerMail and Mail.app running at the same time; I cannot
>have both users running at the same time in PowerMail.
>
>And, as this thread has revealed, this point may ultimately be moot.
It's disappointing that no one from CTM has commented on this, or on the
basic problem of the 2 GB limit.
The last official comment I saw about the 2 GB problem was that they're
not planning to do anything to address it.
I like PowerMail, but will eventually have to switch if the limit is not
removed.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:13:58 -0500
On 9/21/07 at 3:44 PM, Jeremy Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>Steve Abrahamson (21/9/07, 14:05) said:
>
>>On 9/21/07 at 7:28 AM, Richard Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>>
>>>If you reach the 2 GB limit you can make another user.
>>>
>>>Wouldn't be much different from searching your mail archive
>>>with another mail app.
>>
>>I can have PowerMail and Mail.app running at the same time; I cannot
>>have both users running at the same time in PowerMail.
>>
>>And, as this thread has revealed, this point may ultimately be moot.
>
>It's disappointing that no one from CTM has commented on this, or on the
>basic problem of the 2 GB limit.
>
>The last official comment I saw about the 2 GB problem was that they're
>not planning to do anything to address it.
>
>I like PowerMail, but will eventually have to switch if the limit is not
>removed.
Sadly, that's the point I'm facing, too.
I've always suspected, but have never been really convinced, that CTM
may a side business for several geographically disparate, though very
talented, programmers who have day jobs. The fact that they've opted to
ignore the 2 gig limit (and even this thread at this point) leads me
closer to conviction on this, and that, indeed, they don't want to
undertake anything "hard." Or at least not for PowerMail anymore.
I don't know - that's just the feeling I get. And it's not a good one,
as email is my #1 business productivity tool, and I had such high hopes
for PowerMail.
Steve
Steve Abrahamson
Ascending Technologies
FileMaker 7 & 8 Certified Developer
http://www.asctech.com
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Michael J. Hußmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:44:56 +0200
Jeremy Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> It's disappointing that no one from CTM has commented on this, or on the
> basic problem of the 2 GB limit.
>
> The last official comment I saw about the 2 GB problem was that they're
> not planning to do anything to address it.
I suppose the 2 GB limit isn't much of a concern to CTM, as few users
are affected by it. I've been using PowerMail for seven years now (since
April 2000, as that's the date of the oldest mails I have archived), and
even though I send and receive lots of mails and tend to keep mails
rather than delete them when in doubt, my message database is still
under 200 MB. As you can guess, I am not at all concerned about the 2 GB
limit, as I am not likely to ever hit that 2 GB limit during my
lifetime. Maybe that's a fairly typical user experience?
- Michael
Michael J. Hußmann
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Barbara Needham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:13:45 -0700
Michael J. Hußmann on 9/21/07 said
>Jeremy Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>> It's disappointing that no one from CTM has commented on this, or on the
>> basic problem of the 2 GB limit.
>>
>> The last official comment I saw about the 2 GB problem was that they're
>> not planning to do anything to address it.
>
>I suppose the 2 GB limit isn't much of a concern to CTM, as few users
>are affected by it. I've been using PowerMail for seven years now (since
>April 2000, as that's the date of the oldest mails I have archived), and
>even though I send and receive lots of mails and tend to keep mails
>rather than delete them when in doubt, my message database is still
>under 200 MB. As you can guess, I am not at all concerned about the 2 GB
>limit, as I am not likely to ever hit that 2 GB limit during my
>lifetime. Maybe that's a fairly typical user experience?
I have 700 MB since 2002 but that is after compacting the database. And I
do not get huge volumes of e-mail.
--
Barbara Needham
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:27:12 +0100
Barbara Needham (21/9/07, 17:13) said:
>I have 700 MB since 2002 but that is after compacting the database. And I
>do not get huge volumes of e-mail.
I have 1.15 GB - but that is after compacting the database earlier
today. Before compacting, it was 1.7 GB.
I need to compact once a month to avoid the 2 GB limit.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:27:53 +0200
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Steve Abrahamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:58:37 -0500
On 9/21/07 at 5:27 PM, Jeremy Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>Barbara Needham (21/9/07, 17:13) said:
>
>>I have 700 MB since 2002 but that is after compacting the database. And I
>>do not get huge volumes of e-mail.
>
>I have 1.15 GB - but that is after compacting the database earlier
>today. Before compacting, it was 1.7 GB.
>
>I need to compact once a month to avoid the 2 GB limit.
I need to compact monthly too - it hits 1.8 gig regularly, and
fortunately PM at least squawks at me about it so I can remedy the
condition before it blows up.
It's interesting positioning, though: I have always thought of PM as a
"more powerful mail tool for people who need industrial strength." If
that's the case, then they would have a disproportionate number of users
for whom the 2 gig limit is an issue.
If, on the other hand, CTM thinks of PM in some other way, perhaps I'm
in the wrong place.
Steve Abrahamson
Ascending Technologies
FileMaker 7 & 8 Certified Developer
http://www.asctech.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Exporting from PowerMail - all mail is Unread
From: "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:33:42 -0400
Barbara Needham wrote:
> Michael J. Hußmann on 9/21/07 said
>
>> Jeremy Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>
...
>> my message database is still
>> under 200 MB. As you can guess, I am not at all concerned about the 2 GB
>> limit, as I am not likely to ever hit that 2 GB limit during my
>> lifetime. Maybe that's a fairly typical user experience?
>
> I have 700 MB since 2002 but that is after compacting the database. And I
> do not get huge volumes of e-mail.
I guess what we need to understand here is people's conception of "huge
volumes". Some of us will never approach 2 GB, while others seem to be
flirting with it on almost a daily basis.
So, is a huge volume of mail:
-- more than "X" messages a day?
-- more than "Y" MB a day of email, excluding attachments (which aren't
part of the database)?
-- something else?
Clearly, an email package with strengths in one place (eg searching) and
weaknesses in other places (eg smaller database sizes) needs to be put
into the context of the expected use.
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