powermail-discuss Digest #2876 - Tuesday, August 31, 2010
Re: bye bye PowerMail
by "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Re: bye bye PowerMail - not so fast pussycat
by "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Re: bye bye PowerMail
by "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
Re: bye bye PowerMail
by "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Re(2): bye bye PowerMail
by "Paul Raybould" <praybo...@comcast.net>
Re: bye bye PowerMail
by "Tim lapin" <t...@sympatico.ca>
Re(2): bye bye PowerMail
by "Peter Lovell" <plov...@mac.com>
Re: bye bye PowerMail
by "T.L. Miller" <tlmil...@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: bye bye PowerMail
From: "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:21:52 +0200
Paul Raybould suggested:
>Sometimes we rant and work for solutions for things that are unique to
>our particular situation. I recently had server-related issues that I
>brought to this forum - thinking PM was the problem... when it wasn't.
Well. I have looked at this problem very carefully. This set of problems
have been there server after server (including my own), account after
account, PM version after version and fresh database or not since 2004
at least. You have no idea what's behind this kind of problem.
If PM is not to blame, then why would another email application not
display this problem with the same account and the same data on the same
server? At least after some time as with PM, the same set problem would
be likely to reappear.
Granted, this is a hard problem to track down. It has not manifested on
all accounts all the time, just on a few and have been somewhat elusive.
That's one reason why its resolution needed cooperation.
>In the decade I've used PM... I never had the issue you describe.
As far as you can tell, yes. But the thing is how do you know that you
have missed a message? The very possibility that this could occur is not
something you want to feel about an email application. Nor do you want
tens of thousands of duplicates of messages because your connection
dropped off. Maybe POP is to blame in the end, but then again why
doesn't this problem creep up in other POP email applications I've tried?
I once started using PowerMail because I wanted an app that wouldn't get
between me an my email. PowerMail is still very nice in theory, but in
practice it have become nuisance and a timewaster for me. I need my time
so I need to stop using it for new messages. I suppose I'll keep it for
most of the old ones. I'm still fond of the basics of the interface,
perhaps because I've been using macs for so long it feels familiar and
friendly in most aspects.
MB
Technoids:
PM 6.0.5 build 4621 sv | OS X 10.5.8 | PowerMac G5 Dual 2.0 | 4GB / 1.5TB/MB
/MB
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Subject: Re: bye bye PowerMail - not so fast pussycat
From: "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:05:04 +0200
I decided to give it another shot at supplying CTM with some fresh data
that might be useful in fixing the problem. For the community and CTM
and the fact no other user should have to encounter this bug or
communication failure. But not this week, I have too much programming to do.
My apologies for venting here.
/MB
I told:
>Paul Raybould suggested:
>
>>Sometimes we rant and work for solutions for things that are unique to
>>our particular situation. I recently had server-related issues that I
>>brought to this forum - thinking PM was the problem... when it wasn't.
>Well. I have looked at this problem very carefully. This set of problems
>have been there server after server (including my own), account after
>account, PM version after version and fresh database or not since 2004
>at least. You have no idea what's behind this kind of problem.
>If PM is not to blame, then why would another email application not
>display this problem with the same account and the same data on the same
>server? At least after some time as with PM, the same set problem would
>be likely to reappear.
>
>Granted, this is a hard problem to track down. It has not manifested on
>all accounts all the time, just on a few and have been somewhat elusive.
>That's one reason why its resolution needed cooperation.
>
>>In the decade I've used PM... I never had the issue you describe.
>
>As far as you can tell, yes. But the thing is how do you know that you
>have missed a message? The very possibility that this could occur is not
>something you want to feel about an email application. Nor do you want
>tens of thousands of duplicates of messages because your connection
>dropped off. Maybe POP is to blame in the end, but then again why
>doesn't this problem creep up in other POP email applications I've tried?
>
>I once started using PowerMail because I wanted an app that wouldn't get
>between me an my email. PowerMail is still very nice in theory, but in
>practice it have become nuisance and a timewaster for me. I need my time
>so I need to stop using it for new messages. I suppose I'll keep it for
>most of the old ones. I'm still fond of the basics of the interface,
>perhaps because I've been using macs for so long it feels familiar and
>friendly in most aspects.
>
>
>
>MB
>
>Technoids:
>PM 6.0.5 build 4621 sv | OS X 10.5.8 | PowerMac G5 Dual 2.0 | 4GB / 1.5TB/MB
MB
Technoids:
PM 6.0.5 build 4621 sv | OS X 10.5.8 | PowerMac G5 Dual 2.0 | 4GB / 1.5TB/MB
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Subject: Re: bye bye PowerMail
From: "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:55:23 -0400
On 8/31/10 7:21 AM, "MB" wrote:
> Well. I have looked at this problem very carefully. This set of problems
> have been there server after server (including my own), account after
> account, PM version after version and fresh database or not since 2004
> at least. You have no idea what's behind this kind of problem.
> If PM is not to blame, then why would another email application not
> display this problem with the same account and the same data on the same
> server? At least after some time as with PM, the same set problem would
> be likely to reappear.
I have had this problem intermittently with Entourage, so I suspect it is a
server hiccup.
Jeff
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com
(724)-482-2015
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Subject: Re: bye bye PowerMail
From: "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:21:30 +0200
Jefferis Peterson said:
>I have had this problem intermittently with Entourage, so I suspect it is a
>server hiccup.
a problem spread across a number of different versions of different
servers running under different OSes and on different hardware residing
on different continents and subnets that I happen to have used the last
6 or so years? Possible, I suppose, but how likely really?
Technoids:
PM 6.0.5 build 4621 sv | OS X 10.5.8 | PowerMac G5 Dual 2.0 | 4GB / 1.5TB/MB
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Subject: Re(2): bye bye PowerMail
From: "Paul Raybould" <praybo...@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:33:52 -0400
MB,
You should do what makes sense... and maybe migrating to a different app
will be a time-saver. Maybe it won't. You can always come back.
Regards -
Paul
>so I need to stop using it for new messages. I suppose I'll keep it for
>most of the old ones. I'm still fond of the basics of the interface,
>perhaps because I've been using macs for so long it feels familiar and
>friendly in most aspects.
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Subject: Re: bye bye PowerMail
From: "Tim lapin" <t...@sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:43:12 -0400
On 31/08/2010 8:55 AM, Jefferis Peterson wrote:
> On 8/31/10 7:21 AM, "MB" wrote:
>
>> Well. I have looked at this problem very carefully. This set of problems
>> have been there server after server (including my own), account after
>> account, PM version after version and fresh database or not since 2004
>> at least. You have no idea what's behind this kind of problem.
>> If PM is not to blame, then why would another email application not
>> display this problem with the same account and the same data on the same
>> server? At least after some time as with PM, the same set problem would
>> be likely to reappear.
>
> I have had this problem intermittently with Entourage, so I suspect it is a
> server hiccup.
> Jeff
>
POP server / client conversations do indeed have an issue with dropped
or aborted connections. The worst offender that I have seen, either
professionally or personally, is MS Outlook. Hundreds of duplicate
emails flooding my clients' inbox, thereby making it impossible to work.
The second worst has been Eudora. Now Eudora has only recently been
revived and on a spotty basis at that. So the data I have date back to
versions 4, 5, 6 (Mac and PC) and 7 (PC only). For some reason, I don't
recall version 3.x suffering from this issue. Perhaps the volume of
email was small enough back then to have less of an effect?
In third place is PowerMail. I have had to clear quite a few duplicates
over the years but all in very clearly defined bunches.
The best I've seen so far has been Thunderbird but I haven't tested it
at home yet. It is at home where I have experienced the problem the most.
I have not yet played with Apple Mail enough yet to get a sense of its
abilities to handle such things but I can't imagine it would be any
different from the rest of the better ones.
Why any one POP client would fare worse than another is the real
mystery. The code for a POP connection at either end of the
conversation should be well understood by now.
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Subject: Re(2): bye bye PowerMail
From: "Peter Lovell" <plov...@mac.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:54:01 -0400
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010, Jefferis Peterson <jeffe...@petersonsales.net> wrote:
>On 8/31/10 7:21 AM, "MB" wrote:
>
>> Well. I have looked at this problem very carefully. This set of problems
>> have been there server after server (including my own), account after
>> account, PM version after version and fresh database or not since 2004
>> at least. You have no idea what's behind this kind of problem.
>> If PM is not to blame, then why would another email application not
>> display this problem with the same account and the same data on the same
>> server? At least after some time as with PM, the same set problem would
>> be likely to reappear.
>
>I have had this problem intermittently with Entourage, so I suspect it is a
>server hiccup.
>Jeff
I've had the problem *very* rarely over many years. In each case it
turned out to be something at the server end.
I'm not sure what "identifier" PM uses to determine whether or not it
has seen a mail item before. I do know it has been a problematic area in
the past because different POP servers do things their own way.
Cheers.....Peter
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Subject: Re: bye bye PowerMail
From: "T.L. Miller" <tlmil...@mac.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:13:54 -0400
On 8/31/10, at 9:54 AM, Peter Lovell plov...@mac.com said:
>I've had the problem *very* rarely over many years. In each case it
>turned out to be something at the server end.
Also, very rarely for me. I find PowerMail to be mainly trouble-free.
Any idiosyncrasies I have adjusted to and another app would probably
have some of its own.
Tom Miller
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"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
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