powermail-discuss Digest #2901 - Saturday, November 20, 2010
Re: 2 GB limit
by "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Re: 2 GB limit
by "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Re: 2 GB limit
by "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Re: 2 GB limit
by "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
backup strategies
by "Bill Schjelderup" <b...@companioncorp.com>
Re(2): 2 GB limit
by "Bill Schjelderup" <b...@companioncorp.com>
Re: 2 GB limit
by "G-Spot Records" <mad...@gunnarspot.com>
Fwd: Your personal PowerMail 6 registration info !
by "Bob Parks" <b...@kidsource.com>
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:03:58 +0100
Jeremy Hughes skrev 2010-11-15 13.52:
> MiB (14/11/10, 07:36) said:
>
>
>>> The monolithic database format is also an issue for backup programs that
>>> work at a file level (Retrospect, Time Machine etc.)
>>>
>> Erroneous assumption.
>>
> I think you missed my point, even though you quoted it.
>
> QRecall, by its own description, doesn't work at a file level.
>
No, it works on a subfile level, ie parts of files. If it worked only on
the file level, then we would have the problems you describe.
The end all with Qrecall is that only The Changes made to a file will be
backed up, instead of the whole file. So, if you back up every hour,
only the changes made to the powermail DB during that hour will have to
be backed up as the rest have already been backed up once.
I'm sure other backup software does this as well. If not, they should.
/MB
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:13:29 +0100
George Henne wrote 2010-11-11 18.14:
> I just checked - PowerMail is responsible for 90% of of the backup
> activity on my system. (I use TimeMachine). The problem is that if just
> one email comes in an hour (which always happens), the complete database
> gets backed up again. One database per folder would reduce the backup
> requirements dramatically. There would be less load on the system, and
> my Time Machine would be able backups for a much longer time period.
>
>
>
Qrecall <www.qrecall.com> would reduce the amount of data backed up at
every recurring backup.
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:25:33 +0100
Bill Schjelderup skrev 2010-11-11 23.50:
> Check out Crashplan.com
The Pro version looks promising, though I'd prefer if they'd have any
number of seats instead of fixed numbers.
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:29:15 +0100
Peter Lovell skrev 2010-11-12 00.31:
> the PM database is great for storage and access
> efficiency, but not so good for incremental backup.
>
Only with suboptimal tools that is. The sparsebundle image idea is also
quite useful for those that can't switch backup solution quickly.
/MB
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Subject: backup strategies
From: "Bill Schjelderup" <b...@companioncorp.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:41:11 -0700
Crashplan also only backs up file differences and even if you move
files, they don't have to be backed up again. Crashplan has a free
version that backs up daily, and a Plus version where you can set the
frequency.
You can use the same volume to backup as time machine, and put your
powermail files into the don't backup preference for time machine. thus
for no additional cost, you can get the benefits of time machine for
most files, and use crashplan for Powermail.
Crashplan also has options for off site backup. If you value your data,
you should have more than one backup, and having it offsite is a
excellent choice.
Another free solution (if your files are under 2gb) is dropbox. Pay for
up to 50gb of storage, and sync the data to other machines too. Dropbox
isn't sold as a backup solution, but it does a good job of it. Dropbox
also does data compression, and incremental backups. I'm not sure if it
gives good results for open files...but if you close powermail, it will
backup automatically. I do know some products "support" dropbox, I
assume they insure compatibility when files are open, although I don't
know for sure.
I use Time Machine, Dropbox, Crashplan and Tri-Backup for backup on my
personal machines. I use each product for the specific benefits they
each provide. Time Machine is great, but it's very dumb about big files,
moved files and securing your private data.
I'd never let my backup technology dictate what other products I use.
I am very serious about backup on my personal as well as company
machines. At home, my children and wife have their machines
automatically backed up to my main machine via the free version of
crashplan. One daughter's notebook is backed up to my home machine even
when she is living in the dorms at college.
Although I'm a big fan of Crashplan, there are other products that will
provide excellent backup solutions for big files such as the powermail
database.
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>George Henne wrote 2010-11-11 18.14:
>> I just checked - PowerMail is responsible for 90% of of the backup
>> activity on my system. (I use TimeMachine). The problem is that if just
>> one email comes in an hour (which always happens), the complete database
>> gets backed up again. One database per folder would reduce the backup
>> requirements dramatically. There would be less load on the system, and
>> my Time Machine would be able backups for a much longer time period.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Qrecall <www.qrecall.com> would reduce the amount of data backed up at
>every recurring backup.
>
>
>
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Subject: Re(2): 2 GB limit
From: "Bill Schjelderup" <b...@companioncorp.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:46:49 -0700
MB - excellent point - I've used the sparsebundle option for my notebook
when I travel, although the primary objective was to have my data
encrypted without using Apple's home folder encryption model. For long
trips I carry a backup drive so I can backup my notebook when crashplan
can't communicate over the internet. Yes, I HATE losing data.
Crashplan does charge per seat, but if you only need daily backup the
free version is really nice. I believe you can mix and match versions on
various machines, although I've not tried that.
I remember when the only decent Mac tool was Retrospect, today there are
lots of excellent products.
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Bill Schjelderup, President b...@companioncorp.com
COMPanion Corporation 801-365-0555 voice
1831 Fort Union Blvd. 801-943-7752 fax
Salt Lake City, Utah 84121-3041 www.companioncorp.com
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Nusquam est qui ubique est. - He who is everywhere is nowhere.
This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and
may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized
review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are NOT
the intended recipient, I'm sorry to bother you and will attempt to
address my messages more carefully in the future.
>Peter Lovell skrev 2010-11-12 00.31:
>> the PM database is great for storage and access
>> efficiency, but not so good for incremental backup.
>>
>Only with suboptimal tools that is. The sparsebundle image idea is also
>quite useful for those that can't switch backup solution quickly.
>
>/MB
>
>
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "G-Spot Records" <mad...@gunnarspot.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:57:15 -0800
Jean Michel,
I am interested in your "too good to refuse" offer on Foxtrot. Let me
know how I can participate.
Very Truly Yours,
Gunnar Madsen
--
Gunnar Madsen | G-Spot Records
http://www.gunnarmadsen.com
"Two Hands is amazing in every way. Sublime, fascinating music in its
purest form. Highly recommended" - Alejandro Clavijo González, Reviews New Age
http://www.gunnarmadsen.com/TH/THlisten.html
>Mark,
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:01:20 +0000, Mark S. P. Smith <mspsm...@gol.com>
wrote:
>
>>for people trying to work
>>around the 2GB limit, being asked to buy another application is not a
>>good answer, IMHO.
>
>I can agree to this point of view. There is something we can do here: if
>a consensus builds that our approach to indexing archived mail in
>FoxTrot Personal Search is a technically acceptable, second-best
>acceptable option to working around the 2GB max database size (one that
>also has advantages, since:
>- it lets you index the rest of your life, including attachments and
>documents)
>- archiving allows you not to have to backup one huge database at every
>change, i.e. in TimeCapsule
>
>then we would be ready to make these PowerMail owners a fair , one-time
>"offer they can't refuse" on FoxTrot Personal Search. Let me know in
>private e-mail.
>
>On the IMAP topic: I agree too. Since the iPhone came along, personally
>I've been running PowerMail in parallel with the iPhone mail client
>Apple Mail. PowerMail is the client of choice for authoring messages,
>replying to received mail, archiving while I use AppleMail as a "second
>opinion" view on my e-mail accounts, one which has the advantage of
>good, multi-account IMAP and notifications in the dock. The two really
>coexist well.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>jean michel
>
>
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Subject: Fwd: Your personal PowerMail 6 registration info !
From: "Bob Parks" <b...@kidsource.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:19:33 -0800
>Subject: Fwd: Your personal PowerMail 6 registration info !
>From: "CTM info" <ctm-li...@ctmdev.com>
>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:36:45 +0200
>
>Hello Bob,
>
>As far as I could tell, this case was closed over two months ago when we
>sent you your second key.
I never received it. As I mentioned, some of the problem may have been
spam filters. This email address has been used for over 15 years now,
and every spammer on the planet seems to send to it! (many hundreds per
day).
I did receive two other copies of the email, one forwarded today, and
one dated Sept 18 that just showed up (with all the headers dated today).
>Finally, I've never been shy of admitting an occasional incompetence in
>customer support publically on this list; however this case is a bit
>unfair, but you may not have received the key I guess.
Well, I did send several emails in July with no response, then some in
August that got the "will reply next week", and one in Sept, a few days
before you sent the key that I never received. And the keys just made
it through the same spam filters as before (with no changes in the filters)
Thank you for sorting this out!
Bob
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