powermail-discuss Digest #2559 - Thursday, February 8, 2007
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
by "Dave N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
by "PowerMail Engineering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
exchange-server?
by "Per Åström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: exchange-server?
by "Rene Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: exchange-server?
by "Per Åström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: exchange-server?
by "Wayne Brissette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: exchange-server?
by "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
by "Brian Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: exchange-server?
by "Wayne Brissette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
by "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
by "Tom Dillon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
by "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
From: "Dave N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:01:25 -0800
It also happens with emails sent from the newest version of MS Entourage
2004 for Mac. Does that count as a different email client?
Is there a setting I can make in PowerMail that will deal with this well?
Other email programs seem to deal with it ok.
D Nathanson
in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Alan Harper's message of 10:26 AM, 2/7/07
>I think that this is an Outlook Express Bug. If I remember correctly,
>Outlook Express says that it is using one character encoding and
>actually uses a different one. Look at the headers to see if all are
>from the same mail client, then do a google search. But I think the
>answer is, if you are going to lynch someone, perhaps you should find a
>microsoft engineer.
>
>A
>
>On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:14:38 -0800 Dave N said:
>
>>Hi,
>> I get a lot of emails that include numbers instead of punctuation. Like
>>this:
>>
>>>I1ve got an office of users ready for a lynching - mine as a result of
>>>issues they are experiencing with Word. I1ve done a fair amount of research
>>
>>I can see that where I would expect single quote ', I see a 1. Sometimes
>>it is a 2, or 3 for similar punctuation marks, like double quotes.
>>Usually these senders are using a MS mail program, and I think they are
>>using curly quotes.
>>
>>What can a PowerMail user do so their emails will look correct when
>received?
>>
>>I'm in USA, and my PowerMail prefs are set to:
>>Languge family: US/Western Europe
>>Use Character set: ISO-8859-1 (Latin1, Western Europe)
>>
>>TIA,
>> DaveN
>>
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Subject: Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
From: "PowerMail Engineering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:12:21 +0100
Dave N wrote:
>It also happens with emails sent from the newest version of MS Entourage
>2004 for Mac. Does that count as a different email client?
>
>Is there a setting I can make in PowerMail that will deal with this well?
>Other email programs seem to deal with it ok.
These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem.
Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either
because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or
because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly
encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages
will now look as if they were badly encoded...
Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
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Subject: exchange-server?
From: "Per Åström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:28:59 +0100
Hi, I recently changed employer and will from now on be using and
Exchange server for my business email. Any suggestions on how I continue
using Powermail with such a setup?
Thanks,
/per å
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Subject: Re: exchange-server?
From: "Rene Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:08:21 +0100
Per Åström hat am Donnerstag, 08. Februar 2007 geschrieben:
>
>Hi, I recently changed employer and will from now on be using and
>Exchange server for my business email. Any suggestions on how I continue
>using Powermail with such a setup?
What is an "exchange server"? Pls tell more about.
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Subject: Re: exchange-server?
From: "Per Åström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:22:23 +0100
>
>What is an "exchange server"? Pls tell more about.
>
Microsofts proprietary mailsolution:
<http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/default.mspx>
Not POP, not IMAP, but Exchange.. Best used with Outlook on Windows,
dont know how its best used on OS X (with Powermail).
Not and upgrade compared to the CommunigatePro-solution my previous
employer used.
/per å
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Subject: Re: exchange-server?
From: "Wayne Brissette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 04:34:42 -0600
>
>Hi, I recently changed employer and will from now on be using and
>Exchange server for my business email. Any suggestions on how I continue
>using Powermail with such a setup?
Sadly, I had to move to Apple's Mail program at work (I tried entourage
since I have Office, but I didn't like it).
Wayne
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Subject: Re: exchange-server?
From: "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:05:16 -0500
Per Åström / 2007/02/08 / 04:28 AM wrote:
>Hi, I recently changed employer and will from now on be using and
>Exchange server for my business email. Any suggestions on how I continue
>using Powermail with such a setup?
ExchangeServer does have POP3 setting. Ask their sysad. I know the
fact this can be done at the server.
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- Hiro
Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
<http://a-no-ne.com> <http://anonemusic.com>
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Subject: Re(2): curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
From: "Brian Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:21:40 +0000
I've been seeing the single inverted commas as digits problem on websites
recently. The more serious problem of Japanese text received as what I call
gobbledygook (rubbish or indecipherable text) which magically converts to
proper Japanese when the Forward email button is clicked. In PM Preferences
I normally use ISO-2022 as the preferred character set for undefined incoming
messages, but checked just now and the incoming language for character set
language was for Central Europe. Do these settings make a big difference or
will PM do its best to display the correct language and font whichever
Preference
setting is chosen.
Regards,
Brian
Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:12:21 +0100 PowerMail Engineering wrote:
>Dave N wrote:
>
>>It also happens with emails sent from the newest version of MS Entourage
>>2004 for Mac. Does that count as a different email client?
>>
>>Is there a setting I can make in PowerMail that will deal with this well?
>>Other email programs seem to deal with it ok.
>
>These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem.
>Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either
>because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or
>because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly
>encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages
>will now look as if they were badly encoded...
>
>
>Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
>
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Subject: Re: exchange-server?
From: "Wayne Brissette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:23:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
I was looking at my mail setup here at work and had forgotten an important part
of my setup. When I was using Entourage, I used the standard Exchange settings.
When our Admin told me that they also supported IMAP, I tried to use PowerMail.
However, since so many of the emails in my company are sent using RTF or HTML,
it just wasn't working for me. Instead of going back to Entourage, I tried
Apple's Mail application. It seemed to be a good compromise.
Wayne
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Subject: Re(2): curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
From: "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:38:25 -0800
How many Microsoft Engineers does it take to change a light bulb?
(You can google the punch-line)
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:12:21 +0100 PowerMail Engineering said:
>These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem.
>Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either
>because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or
>because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly
>encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages
>will now look as if they were badly encoded...
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Subject: Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
From: "Tom Dillon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:11:08 -0700
Jérôme sez:
>These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem.
LOL!!! That's hilarious! And IE should use only W3C standard tags so we
don't get messages like "Your browser is not supported, please use
IE..." Microsoft's attitude will always be, "90% of users don't have a
problem, therefore there is no problem to fix." I agree with you in
principle, but until much more than 10% use MS standard products, MS
won't be fixing anything.
>Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either
>because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or
>because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly
>encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages
>will now look as if they were badly encoded...
So, is there no way to detect whether a message is poorly or properly
encoded and adjust the quotes accordingly?
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Subject: Re(2): curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
From: "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:24:23 -0800
While we are on the subject of Microsoft engineers, this is a good
article on those stupid winmail.dat files:
<http://www.gpc.edu/%7Ejbenson/resource/winmail.htm>
And if you are really a glutton for punishment, catch up on Verity
Stob's postings at <http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/02/06/
pegasus_farewell/>.
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:11:08 -0700 Tom Dillon said:
>Jérôme sez:
>
>>These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem.
>
>LOL!!! That's hilarious! And IE should use only W3C standard tags so we
>don't get messages like "Your browser is not supported, please use
>IE..." Microsoft's attitude will always be, "90% of users don't have a
>problem, therefore there is no problem to fix." I agree with you in
>principle, but until much more than 10% use MS standard products, MS
>won't be fixing anything.
>
>>Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either
>>because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or
>>because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly
>>encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages
>>will now look as if they were badly encoded...
>
>So, is there no way to detect whether a message is poorly or properly
>encoded and adjust the quotes accordingly?
>
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> Tom Dillon 900 S. Coors Dr.
> DataCraft Lakewood, CO 80228
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 720/962-4880
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> venture a little way past them into the impossible.
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