powermail-discuss Digest #2618 - Wednesday, April 25, 2007
Re: Applescript not triggering, WAS Attachment link failing
by "cheshirekat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
auto-move msg after reading
by "Dave N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: auto-move msg after reading
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Applescript not triggering, WAS Attachment link failing
by "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: auto-move msg after reading
by "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: auto-move msg after reading
by "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
HTML globe button behaviour
by "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Database corrupt
by "Urs Gruetzner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: bug or feature ?
by "Mikael Byström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: bug or feature ?
by "Mikael Byström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: bug or feature ?
by "Michael Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: bug or feature ?
by "Wayne Brissette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: bug or feature ?
by "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: HTML globe button behaviour
by "Richard Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: auto-move msg after reading
by "Barbara Needham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Applescript not triggering, WAS Attachment link failing
From: "cheshirekat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:16:04 -0600
On Tue, Apr 24, 20079:45 AM, the following words from Rick Lecoat
[EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ...
>Follow up:
>
>Looks like anything that moves the attachment prevents the script from
>working. If the attachment is moved *after* the script is called (but as
>part of the same filter pass, eg at incoming mail) then the script just
>fails silently -- presumably it starts to work but the attachment gets
>moved half way through the tagging process.
>
>If the attachment is moved *before* the tagging script is called (eg as
>part of a single filter where the Action is to move the attachment then
>tag it) then I get the report "The attachment has been moved since download".
>
>It looks like this is part of the script though, not PM.
>Maybe the script needs updating to accommodate filter-moved attachments;
>I don't think that functionality was available to PM's filters when the
>script was written!
>
>That's beyond my abilities right now tho.
>Anyone want to have a go?
>
>(NB I've not tried Cheshirekat's script yet. Does that take account of
>filter-moved attachments?)
>
>Rick
>
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>
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>Original message:
>Received from Rick Lecoat on 24/4/07 at 09:29
>
>>Not sure what the workaround it yet, but I'll try adding the 'Tag
>>Attachments' script to any filters that move attachments into specific
>>folders, and see if it helps.
>
If I were to receive a lot of attachments, as you apparently do, I'd
move this AppleScript to the top of the list of filters. But you have
to make sure you UNmark the box for "Don't apply subsequent filters to
this message". That way, all your attachments will have information in
the comments, but other filters can still act upon the messages you
receive and change the message labels or move the messages to specific
folders.
As it is, the AppleScript you have been using has a few error checks
that you are not getting when it runs in the filters. I assume that
PowerMail suppresses the AppleScript errors, but I don't know. At one
time, I wrote some AppleScripts for use in filters, but didn't get any
indication why it failed/worked so I gave up making scripts for my
filters. That was several years ago when I'd first switched to PM from
Emailer. Email did a great job of utilizing schedules and AppleScripts,
so I had quite a few scripts that were enabled for incoming messages.
For my setup, I only have three folders that receive messages with
attachments that I want to keep, and not very often, so it's easy to run
an AppleScript manually. Any other attachments are unrequested/unwanted
and are moved to the trash by a filter that is placed near the bottom of
my filters to catch spam attachments.
Hope this is helpful.
--
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virtues to the heart it enters, even though that heart is not in the
least worthy.
- Jean Baptiste Montegut
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Subject: auto-move msg after reading
From: "Dave N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:20:01 -0700
Hi All,
Is there a way to auto-move a message into the "Read Mail" folder after
reading it?
As I am trying to sell a whole company on PowerMail, this question has
come up several times. These folks used to use Claris Emailer, and moved
the TBird, which I am trying to move them from, partly due to the way
attachments are handled.
The one person that is trying out PowerMail also wants to print html
messages, including the short message header - Sadly, all I could do for
her was to set her PM prefs to not favor the html version if any, as the
non-html version prints as expected. But I don't want to bring that up again.
Best,
DaveN
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Subject: Re: auto-move msg after reading
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:30:33 +0900
David,
Am/On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:20:01 -0700 schrieb/wrote Dave N:
> Is there a way to auto-move a message into the "Read Mail" folder after
>reading it?
I'd suggest your customer to use the recent mail window and filter the
mails in appropriate folders when they already arrive.
Another option might be a AppleScript, which runs automatically in a
loop and scans all the mails in the infolder for being read. If so they
are move to the read mails folder. The script could be started, when the
first mails are received and quits itself, when PM is not running anymore.
>The one person that is trying out PowerMail also wants to print html
>messages, including the short message header - Sadly, all I could do for
>her was to set her PM prefs to not favor the html version if any, as the
>non-html version prints as expected. But I don't want to bring that up
again.
this really slowly becomes an issue.....
Hopefully ctm is already working on a solution as so many people want to
have this feature.
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: Applescript not triggering, WAS Attachment link failing
From: "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:07:53 +0100
Hi cheshirekat.
Moving the script filter to the top of the filter list won't work,
because any other filters in the list that are set to move attachments
to specific folders -- even if they are WAAAY down the filter list --
will cause it to fail. I don't know whether this is because the script
is still running when the attachment gets moved, or whether it's because
the script is postponed until all non-script filters have done their
work and PM loses track of the file's location, but it seems that the
script will only work on attachments that are in (and are staying in)
the default attachment folder.
Currently I can either tag attachments, or move them to specific
folders, but I want to do both.
Thanks for your help though.
Rick
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Original message:
Received from cheshirekat on 24/4/07 at 22:16
>If I were to receive a lot of attachments, as you apparently do, I'd
>move this AppleScript to the top of the list of filters. But you have
>to make sure you UNmark the box for "Don't apply subsequent filters to
>this message". That way, all your attachments will have information in
>the comments, but other filters can still act upon the messages you
>receive and change the message labels or move the messages to specific
>folders.
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Subject: Re: auto-move msg after reading
From: "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:40 +0100
The non-HTML version will print okay *only if* the sender's email client
was correctly set up to include a non-HTML text part. Otherwise, you're stuck.
Rick
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Original message:
Received from Dave N on 24/4/07 at 04:20
>The one person that is trying out PowerMail also wants to print html
>messages, including the short message header - Sadly, all I could do for
>her was to set her PM prefs to not favor the html version if any, as the
>non-html version prints as expected.
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Subject: Re: auto-move msg after reading
From: "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:13:19 +0100
And once again I'm going to climb on my 'feature request' soapbox and
ask for a preference to make the recent mail window retain its contents
between restarts.
This would make my workflow immeasurably easier, and also make regularly
scheduled backups (which properly require PM not to be running) a viable
option for me.
Rick
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Original message:
Received from Matthias Schmidt on 25/4/07 at 06:30
>> Is there a way to auto-move a message into the "Read Mail" folder after
>>reading it?
>
>I'd suggest your customer to use the recent mail window and filter the
>mails in appropriate folders when they already arrive.
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Subject: HTML globe button behaviour
From: "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:23:21 +0100
Currently, the little globe button exhibits the following behaviour:
Quick click: loads HTML version of email into mail browser.
Click and hold: a) View message in web browser
b) Show HTML
I always opt to view the message in a web browser (Click and hold, opt. A).
Is there any way to change prefs to obtain this action via a quick click
rather than having to click and hold? (I know this sounds REALLY lazy,
but those seconds add up, and I'm just SOOOO busy ;-)).
Rick
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Subject: Database corrupt
From: "Urs Gruetzner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:21:16 +0200
using PM 5.2.2. on OSX4.8
PM Database size 5.4 GB
Powermail crashed and then I had a kernel panic.
After reboot PM announces a corrupted database.
I restarted with modifier key to rebuild the database. PM begins the
process but shortly PM crashes again and again.
What else can I do to get back my database?
Thanks for helpful hints
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Subject: Re: bug or feature ?
From: "Mikael Byström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:38:25 +0200
Michael Lewis said:
>Rick Lecoat sez:
>
>>"this is not a problem in my own workflow, so I fail
>>to see that it should be a problem in yours".
>
>That is not my stance at all. However, if a majority of the customers do
>not have an issue, then that probably makes it a lower priority issue
>for a small company like CTM that must make its decisions and apply its
>human resources well.
That's a given. However, whether it's a majority of customers are
affected by an issue or not is not something you should pretend to know
anything about, Michael. This list is NOT all PowerMail users. What do
you know how other users unknown to you are affected?
The bottom line is that IMHO bugs should be noted as bugs, not called
something else, workarounds be discussed and we the community letting
CTM decide if, when and how to fix the problem(s).
We should all be able to raise issues here without receiving responses
implying that the issue isn't real.
Mikael
Tech facts:
PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
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Subject: Re: bug or feature ?
From: "Mikael Byström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:38:25 +0200
Wayne Brissette said:
>And as an old timer myself. I'm just as tired of people trying to make
>PM an HTML email client.
It's not about that at all, it's really about giving PowerMail the
ability to cope with the fact that it's not uncommon that people ( Some
of these being folks that you have to deal with) send HTML-messages.
That doesn't mean a PowerMail user has to be able to *send* HTML-
messages. For that another client would be warranted.
To be able to receive these kind of messages, display them, search among
them, quote from them and print them is just basic functionality to be
expected from a Mac application.
Today PowerMail can do most of that. Why not all of them?
Speculations of other things ought to get higher priority are most
unvelcome. CTM can decide that without our speculations. It's not simply
a number game, that certain users on this list pretend.
Let's talk and discuss, not speculate. Please! (<----preemptive remark)
Mikael
Tech facts:
PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
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Subject: Re: bug or feature ?
From: "Michael Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:14:13 -0400
Mikael Byström sez:
>That's a given. However, whether it's a majority of customers are
>affected by an issue or not is not something you should pretend to know
>anything about, Michael. This list is NOT all PowerMail users. What do
>you know how other users unknown to you are affected?
Hey, Mikael. I didn't say I knew a majority are affected or not. I said
"if." IF. IF. IF!
>We should all be able to raise issues here without receiving responses
>implying that the issue isn't real.
Again, I never said that. If you can go back through my messages and
show specifically where I said the issue was not real instead of
speaking to my own experience and how I worked around that, then feel
free to do so. I don't think you can.
I know we occasionally like to have our discussions here on the
PowerMail list, but the least people can do is read ALL of the words a
person uses when they respond rather than leave some out.
Thank you.
And I disagree that when someone mentions a problem or a bug that we
should not mention workarounds they can use until CTM decides if it is
an issue that has priority or not. That's like sitting in the dark
waiting for someone to install a new lightbulb when you have a perfectly
good flashlight in your hand.
Man, I'm going to enjoy my vacation from the internet in a couple weeks.
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Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com
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Subject: Re: bug or feature ?
From: "Wayne Brissette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:51:54 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>It's not about that at all, it's really about giving PowerMail the
>ability to cope with the fact that it's not uncommon that people ( Some
>of these being folks that you have to deal with) send HTML-messages.
Thanks for the insight into the people I have to deal with. ;-)
I think there is universal agreement that HTML email sending and receiving on
PM isn't what it could be. If the email client on the other end is setup
correctly, it should be sending two parts in the email, a text part and the
HTML part. The problem is, other applications have gotten sloppy and are
assuming that every email client handles HTML and they aren't writing out a
text part. So the problem is two-fold. Part of the issue is PM, the other part
is the sending email client. The current way PM handles HTML email is usually
adequate for most HTML emails I receive. But I can certainly understand a
desire to have full rendering.
There are a few additional workarounds. I wrote an AppleScript that uses
BBedit's built-in HTML Text preview mode. Then puts this back into the message.
This destroys the HTML content, but it does then allow PM to index the email
properly, and from the feedback I have received, most people aren't concerned
with the HTML content, only the text of the message. Again, this is not based
on speculation, but actual feedback from people using that script.
>That doesn't mean a PowerMail user has to be able to *send* HTML-
>messages.
Although, we do have that ability. You create your HTML email in the HTML
editor of choice. Save out the file, and use that as your enclosure in a blank
message the individual you are sending the email to.
>Speculations of other things ought to get higher priority are most
>unvelcome. CTM can decide that without our speculations.
I don't think I was speculating and where do you suppose they or any other
company determine what gets priority? From it's user base. One of the other
email lists I'm on has a lot of sound engineers on it, we all own the same
multi-track field recorder. The company uses that list to determine what
priority it should assign to fixes and enhancements. If CTM Dev isn't using
this list to gauge priorities (and historically they have), they how would they
know what issues we are facing.
Now that we've beaten this topic to death, can we leave it alone? I'm sure I'm
not the only one really tired of it at this point.
Wayne
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Subject: Re: bug or feature ?
From: "Rick Lecoat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:59:37 +0100
Clearly this list is not all Powermail users. However, in the absence of
direct input from every single PM user out there, can we not, for the
purposes of discussion and friendly debate, assume that this list
represents something approaching a representative cross section of the
user base and proceed on that basis?
I thought that *that* was a given.
Rick
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Original message:
Received from Mikael Byström on 25/4/07 at 14:38
>This list is NOT all PowerMail users.
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Subject: Re: HTML globe button behaviour
From: "Richard Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:13:45 -0700
Rick Lecoat wrote:
>Is there any way to change prefs to [view in Web browser]
>via a quick click rather than having to click and hold?
I vote for that behavior, too. I never choose "View HTML". I always
choose to see it in my browser.
Richard Hart
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Subject: Re: auto-move msg after reading
From: "Barbara Needham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:07:58 -0700
Rick Lecoat on 4/25/07 said
>And once again I'm going to climb on my 'feature request' soapbox and
>ask for a preference to make the recent mail window retain its contents
>between restarts.
Or at least a "smart folder" or "saved search" sort of thing.
But yes, I agree.
--
Barbara Needham
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