--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Roland Mainz wrote:
> From: Roland Mainz
> Subject: [osol-discuss] Memory requirements of Solaris/OpenSolaris... / was:
> Re: [tools-discuss] Project Proposal -- Port to MIPSarchitecture
> To: "Mark Martin"
> Cc: emancipation-discuss at opensolaris.org, "Open Solaris"
> ,
>>If there is no money in it then there is no business
>>case for it. Plain and simple. Open source is not
>>all about some utopian vision of free wheeling and
>>fancy free give aways. It is business.
>>-
>>Dennis Clarke
>
> Huh?? Not everything in life is devoted to the
>purpose of making money o
>If there is no money in it then there is no business case for it. Plain and
>simple. Open source is not all about some utopian vision of free wheeling
>and fancy free give aways. It is business.
>-
>Dennis Clarke
Huh?? Not everything in life is devoted to the purpose of making money or
getting r
>Dennis clarke said:
>"However, this project will only be able to succeed
>with a business relationship that supports the
>server centric focus of Solaris..."
Ok. If we are looking at a "server-based" port then
why shoot for a $7K solution?!? I see we are talking
about three ideas:
1. A suitable
>Now given that IBM sees a business case in getting people off Sun hardware
>>onto their mainframes and is thus paying SNA to port OpenSolaris to Z, one
>>MIGHT be able to make the argument that they might similarly be able to
>>justify a business case in helping a group port OpenSolaris to POW
ken mays wrote:
> The Sony PS3 can be obtained for <=$399 USD and you
> get a nice Blu-ray player tossed in for free. The
> 'free' Blu-Ray player and Nvidia RSX GPU are more
than
> worth the price of admission here in the long term
and
> as a feasible solution. B
llowed).
It is not hard to see a potential business case for
this initiative. Checkmate??
~ Ken Mays
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
. how many
do we need if the Sun Labs crew agree to start using
the Sony PS3 as the new OpenSolaris PowerPC
development project machine moving forward?!?
~ Ken Mays
Looking for last minute shopping deals?
s have docs on their computers and internal chips - but they changed
so much per series that you'd spend more time supporting the variations of
'glue logic' chips than doing anything else constructive.
Using a single *open* reference PowerPC e600-based platform jointly
We looked at Freescale's MPC8610 and MPC7448 for CPU targets. The MPC8610 seems
more cost and power efficient. MPC7448 is also a decent choice.
~Ken
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Thanks for the feedback.
The Pegasos II is still a solid desktop/workstation machine and was very close
to being the best PowerPC workstation for the price.
So, I think time would be well spent talking to BPlan and a few other people on
getting more motherboards.
Maybe we can run something lik
Last year, I was reviewing the latest products from Genesi PowerPC hardware and
recently noticed the Efika is still up and kicking.
Specifications are as follows:
Freescale MPC5200B PowerPC SoC up to 400MHz
128MB 266MHz DDR RAM
10/100Mbit/s Ethernet
2x USB ports
1x RS232 Serial port
Stere
> Jennifer Pioch wrote:
>> I wonder what is the real status of the powerpc project? Is it still
>> alive? Is the current SVN finally working on QEmu or MAC hardware?
>
> Yes, it is still alive, but with the ending of various contracts at SunLabs,
> manpower is at a minimum so any help the community
Well, it had to "end" someday and I'm glad to have met some great engineers at
SunLabs. Such valiant efforts and promotions of the original architects should
be well respected.
~ Ken
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Well... the cat is coming out of the bag...the same bag just 2-3 years ago.
People are running Solaris on Apple laptops, desktops, and now IBM mainframes.
The prophets spoke of this day coming...
Reminds me of the story of Noah telling his people to jump on the Ark...
~K
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the latest and
greatest ones with all the fancy flip in the chips. We still do use chips not
even as fast or powerful as the Intel 8086! We could wait for that IBM POWER7
rack though
In saying that, seems like FreeScale e600-based (aka PowerPC G4) solutions are
safe for now.
Ken Mays
).
I don't think we wanted to jump into the "only for
POWER" camp this soon in the game...somehow that got
miscommunicated.
This way 'Polaris' will boot on PowerPC
G4/Cell/POWER/e600-based hardware without much o
ort to build a
similar solution. This is very far down the road, but with various hardware to
port to I can see student building solutions on POWER under the OpenSolaris
umbrella using Blastwave.org POWER-based server rack(s).
~ Ken Mays
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Somehow I think we should be looking at server grade technology in
order
to go forwards. This means technology with multiple processors also.
I was thinking :
BladeCenter S Express Model 8886E1U
$4,499.00
see http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/bladecenter/blades/index.html
You have a lot of Apple Mac Minis and Sony PS3 consoles available through the
various channels.
The new Efika, PS3 and Mac Mini as our first choices wouldn't be a bad idea. At
least we know we have the resources out there at the moment for any
developer/engineer interested.
Community vote on t
1. What do we have to do to get there from today?
2. Hardware issue could get fixed. There are similar PowerPC solutions out in
the wild. PS3 also a thought as it is used on various distributed computing
efforts and Sony is open to open source work on that platform.
3. Toolchain: are we done wi
Well, you have to think about that 'real' hardware situation for a minute. We
could go with the PS3/Xbox 360, with another PPC platform commonly available,
or another low-cost desktop workstation. We seem to rule out the Efika, and I
think most people are looking at a hardware solution with 512M
may already have it).
If you want hardware, why not look at Apple PowerPC G4 hardware?? There is a
lot of PowerPC G3/G4 hardware out on the eBay channel.
~ Ken Mays
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Chris,
Not lack of hardware, I think you mean the lack of SUPPORTED hardware. The
Pegasos ODW was replaced by the EFIKA hardware. The PS3 is out there in masses
and the Xbox360 which is **MY** preferred developer game console for
alternative PowerPC-based OSes .
The hardware crisis is talked a
Thanks Tom,
Can we place it here:
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/ppc-dev/downloads/current/
~K
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Mark,
Any upstream comments to the GCC developers for a patch? Guess this tosses GCC
4.2.x out the window for now in the toolchain effort.
So are we saying stick with GCC 3.4.3?
~K
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> 4. BASH 3.2 port
>
???
My point was during the recent discussion there was a need for a shell (BASH is
wishful thinking) for keyboard I/O.
What do "we" need to do to get there now???
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There were some recent notes in which I think I've witnessed a few things:
1. Sun Studio cross compiling (x86 - > powerPC)
2. GCC 4.0 (toolchain)
3. as,ld ported to Polaris
4. BASH 3.2 port
I had listed out GCC 4.2.2 and binutils 2.18 just to update the toolchain.
I'd like to get the latest Efik
Hello,
Just a sticky note to ask if some kind soul can upload the new source tarball to
dlc.sun.com/osol???
We can then play with the new code while waiting at the airport
By the way, I enjoyed witnessing OpenSolaris b73 running on the ODW. Just need
to get GCC 4.2.2 and an updated binutils
I talked to Cyril about this awhile ago and was wondering what was needed to
migrate to public PPC codebase to Nevada b70/71 at this time.
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Also to note Hollis Blanchard's work on the ppc64 64-bit ELF support and GRUB
boot loading at:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2006-10/msg00089.html
~ Ken Mays
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ding process (TBD). See
http://dev.gentoo.org/~corsair/efika/ for research on netbooting on the Efika.
Hope this gets the ball rolling in further discussions.
Ken Mays
EarthLink, Inc.
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A few things will help you:
1. The docs section of this project. Tons of docs on the PowerPC architecture.
2. GCC 3.4.x toolchain and binutils. Standard compiler for this project.
3. GRUB Bootloader. You can simple review booting on the several
PowerPC/POWER-base platforms out there (see system re
hical: 400 MHz G3 or better, 256MB RAM.
~ Ken Mays
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Hello,
As far as killing the project, no. There is always an academic purpose. Also,
we had workable code and a code drop months ago. we have to consider there is
te core team that is working on this. What did suprise me is that *some* the
core leaders of this group seem like they were not in t
Cyril,
No, not impossible as we focused on this last year in keeping the kernel
updates in sync with the old release. SunLabs also announce they had PPC kernel
up to b58-60 in past conversations - so don't think I'm off base my comments.
My interest is more on the end goal. A SXCE PPC edition..
1. Just got my hands on ON b66. Merging to existing SunLabs PPC code drop for
test.
2. Belenix 0.6 loaded fine on the Apple MacBook Pro (model: MA895LL) and 8-core
Mac Pro. Minor device driver issues.
-K
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I was recently informed that GCCFSS 4.0.3 is used to build the latest ON kernel
b65 and current (I was out of the loop for a few months - sorry).
With that said, I'll be glad to see the recent code drop and test it against
GCC 4.0.3/4.2.0 builds. Will focus on Altivec/VMX support for now.
~ Ken
GCCFSS 4.0.3 was reviewed a few months ago. No verification on successful ON
(Nevada) b65 build testing and approval.
Ref: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/gccfss-on/
~ Ken Mays
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on that).
I don't think the roadmap for Solaris PPC has been updated in awhile as I'd
like to know if bootable ZFS support will be a part of the code drop.
~ Ken Mays
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sting, I saw this company
had some decent discounts:
http://www.teksale.com/computers/refurbcomputers/refurbcomputers.htm
- Ken Mays
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I have GCC 3.4.6 and 4.2.0 for Solaris PowerPC. The GCC 4.3 compiler is still
in flux and tends to fail depending on which snapshot is used. The GCC
3.4.6/4.2.0 core code is stable for builds and patches.
~ Ken Mays
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[X] Genesi ODW
[X] Genesi EFIKA
- Ken Mays
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rs back in Dec 2006, so we know we could use that compiler of the GCC
3.4.x ones to build software on PowerPC - yet we are still looking for the next
publically released (or private) code drop.
I think this is where some of us are in asking questions about the future and
success of the PowerPC ker
This part is now finalized with the success of porting GCC/G++ v4.1.2 to both
Solaris SPARC and x86 with no issues. From this point, I can at least use GCC
4.1.2 as a nice PPC cross compiler with very recent updates from the GCC team.
Was told I can't use GCC 4.1.2 to compile the ON (Nevada) b57
Yes, the patches would help as I'd like to make an accurate GCC 3.4.6 update. I
was told ON is not ready for GCC 4.1.x compilation, so I can work from the
3.4.x tree if needed.
~ Ken
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Created standard C/C++ compilers from gcc 4.1.1 for SPARC/x86 which should
compile 32/64-bit targets. Use the name of gcctest-4.1.1-* for the packages
over at Blastwave.org/testing. The smaller gcctest SPARC package is a C only
gcc 4.1.1 compiler (7MB) and the larger one (25MB) is the gcc 4.1.1
.
Ken Mays
EarthLink, Inc.
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) toolchain. GCC 4.1.1 is the stable compiler we will use and test.
1. Patching GCC 4.1.1 with polaris.gcc-4.0.0.diff.
Ken Mays
EarthLink, Inc.
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source code at:
http://www.blastwave.org/testing/binutils-2.17_polaris.tar.bz2
Let me know what else you need.
Ken Mays
EarthLink, Inc.
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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail
Dennis Clarke wrote:
> > ken mays wrote:
[snip]
> >> 5. Support for PowerPC G4 to G5 (PPC750GX)
> >
> > Will Apple G3 machines still be supported ?
>
> probably not for a lng time
Why (I still have the chance to get an older Apple
G3-based IMac...
question
press peripheral links, DDR2 memory
controller and multiple Gigabit Ethernet ports."
as well as merge,compile, and test kernels for those
architectures.... ;o>
Ken Mays
EarthLink, Inc.
"We're off to
Update: The two graphic solutions from Creative Labs for graphic cards are the
RX9550 (128MB) and RX9250 (128MB). I start to research the Creative Wireless
Desktop Pro 9000 keyboard and Bluetooth headset. This allows you to have the
EFIKA in a 25ft range to work remotely for VoIP and infotainmen
As a second swing of the stick...
Through researching BrandZ and the current Centos support I was able to do a
few things today.
One was the research in finding Creative Labs still sells the 3D Blaster ATI
9200 (128MB) and 9250 (128MB) graphic cards. For the EFIKA, these work with the
Linux
I wrote you a longer note but basically the MPC5200
houses the USB subsystem.
~ Ken
Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.
card works nicely and I have the DVI
connector hooked up to the monitor.
Notice the nice ATI 9250 graphics card on top. Might
make a nice background desktop for us for the moment!
Happy Holidays
Ken Mays
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rd works nicely and I have the DVI
connector hooked up to the monitor.
Notice the nice ATI 9250 graphics card on top. Might
make a nice background desktop for us for the moment!
Happy Holidays
Ken Mays
Need
eed a bit of 3D graphics to
spice things up...
Ken Mays
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st
compatible operating systems."
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EarthLink,Inc.
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/ TV / LCD Monitor
* Fanless Solution: Low Power Consumption (optional)
* WinVista Aero Glass
* Up to 256MB graphics memory
This makes for some nice graphics on PowerPC embedded solutions...
Ken Mays
EarthLink, Inc.
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Since the Pegasos II motherboards are now discontinued:
http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2006/11/coffee-tea-or-pegasosppc.html
This seems like a worthy replacement system:
Pegasos 8641D Developer Program.
http://www.powerdeveloper.org/8641d.php
~ Ken Mays
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The Genesi Pegasos II is probably one of my favorite workstations. Yet, I am
still requesting a updated SmartFirmware update. I made a few modifications in
review of OpenSolaris HAL work, PowerPC debuggers, and just plain fun stuff:
1. Blu-Ray player support and ISO-9660 compliance testing (it w
Sven,
Even the last known publically release SmartFirmware would be helpful.
~ Ken
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d Sun are the original primary contributors.
~ Ken Mays
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Cyril,
Is your Polaris src tree up to date with the latest ON build (20061002)??
Now that you have the working kernel built? What now? ;o>
~K
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Martin,
Smart move in that we use what we got at the moment. We can merge once the
majority of us have this up and running on our systems.
Cyril - what about a Mini Live CD for a start? Just boots to a prompt and lets
you run the basic userland commands...
We could create an updated fork from
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=9730&tstart=15
When Joshua made this post, it was said it might be around Nov.
We will see nice things happen around SXCR build 50. Some of the main
OpenSolaris distros have fallen behind in releasing updated CDs for users to
review - and rel
Anyone for OpenMotif v2.3 ?
~K
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Joshua.. you out there...??? ;o>
Was hoping Cyril can sync us up with the current:
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/on-changelog-20060821.html
so we don't get to far behind. Did legal take care of us yet?
Anyone got a demo?
~ Ken Mays
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top/
I think the source for ROX is only 2MB to start with
which should fit some of the current Genesi product
offerings.
As Martin pointed out, we may not have to consider
OpenWindows and CDE at all.
Well, I may have gotten a bit off from what you
suggested
mp; Dennis,
Would it be a consideration to start with a small
window manager like WindowMaker, Fluxbox,
Enlightenment or IceWM - and then work our way up to
Sun JDS (GNOME) for Polaris?
I think CDE and OpenWindows are just needed for the
compatibility libraries for older commercial apps -
right?
concerns.
Maybe Genesi or the Sun team may have better
suggestions on a small low-overhead free desktop that
we can use and build/support to minimize developer
resources needed to maintain it.
~ Ken Mays
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If Polaris is looking for a modern desktop then GNOME
is preferred as it is supported by Sun JDS. I don't
OpenWindows would be a viable option and it is no
longer supported by Sun.
I'd opt for KDE as something to use as well.
~ Ken Mays
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On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 05:23:20AM -0700, Ken Mays
wrote:
> William,
>
> I did a review for the IBM Intellistation 185
express workstation
which is comparable to some of the recent specs and
"speculations" on the
rumored Genesi ODW Pegasos 3 platforms.
>
> -
quot; PegasosPPC/ODWs and drop them into the grid we are
building at MyPowerPC. We would let selected resellers participate too,
allowing them to build their own cluster.
The pricing would be in the 50% range of the full OSW offer. "
Ken Mays
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William,
I did a review for the IBM Intellistation 185 express workstation which is
comparable to some of the recent specs and "speculations" on the rumored Genesi
ODW Pegasos 3 platforms.
IBM IntelliStation POWER 185 Express
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/intellistation/po
Ref: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/on-changelog-20060612.html
I noticed the Polaris tree was synced to the older builds (20060529) and was
wondering when we could do a FULL sync to the Nevada b42+ releases.
~Ken
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By the way, check out Sun's ChorusOS, JavaOS, Embedded Workshop, and other
embedded solutions:
Ref:
http://www.sun.com/consumer-embedded
Ken Mays
EarthLink, Inc.
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There was a few articles that was written and notes from NASA and Freescale
on embedded Linux projects. See: http://www.embedded-linux.org/ and check out
the forums on embedded linux projects like comp.arch.embedded and
comp.os.linux.embedded.
As far as BSD, the BSDI/WindRiver people have some
Hi,
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:21:54 PDT Ken Mays wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Love the effort of a Live-CD/DVD for SPARC
platforms. I started to
review
> some
> of the issues of porting this MarTux to ODW. A few
developments have
come
> up during the last few months:
>
>
sting and probing.
I might bring this up to some of the IBM and Sun architects nearby as products
like MarTux are very useful for development projects.
~ Ken Mays
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~ Genesi ODW bplan Pegasos2 SmartFirmware v1.2 [20050602111451] review ~
By Ken Mays, Blastwave.org - Date: 17 Feb 2006, Copyright 2006 Ken Mays
ok cpus
PowerPC, 74x7
-
ok ls
openprom
aliases
options
packages
chosen
memory at 0
cpus
rtas
failsafe
ethernet
pci at 8000
pci at
Noah,
I've uploaded grub2_cvs021606_kmays.tar.bz2 to http://www.blastwave.org/testing
which is the work I'll also use for this test along with Dennis' build listed
in his article.
Using SmartFirmware v1.2 [20050602111451]
Welcome to SmartFirmware(tm) for bplan Pegasos2 version 1.2 (20050602111
Date: 02/16/06
I was able to retrieve Dennis notes from Grub2 work at:
http://www.blastware.org/grub2/index.html
Retrieved inetboot.elf binary and updated my CVS sources for GRUB Legacy and
GRUB2. I'll await Dennis' update since he was maintaining it.
We can work with Dennis to update his arti
Cyril,
Ref:
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=5696&tstart=0
{See Keith's comments}
"See
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=2217&tstart=0.
There are at least three more pending changes that are
not yet
available on any branch (as far as I know, no one has
actua
If I can be provided with the latest Smartfirmware
(beta or otherwise through private email (Sven)) and
the code mentioned, then I can let you know some
immediate results (if I don't end up with a 'brick').
Let me know if you have some specific procedures you
(Noah) want me to follow for the appro
1. Have all of the GCC 3.4.3 patches been done in consistency to the Solaris
x86 Engineering requirements? I remember three fixes were needed for their
build of GCC 3.4.3.
2. SmartFirmware update? I figured SmartFirmware could get us rolling with the
proper GRUB2 as well, yet something fell off
Great! All we need is one proven build of the Solaris kernel. Possible yet?
~K
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we be riding the wave, or "wiping out" this round??
Ken Mays
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It'll follow the same process and documents as Sun uses for x86/AMD64 platforms
only targetted for POWER/PowerPC platforms.
~K
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ost modern PowerPC platforms with proper
hardware testing and evaluation...
~ Ken Mays
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heheh... the Tundra chip was mention in some presentation awhile ago. What I
like about them is that they have the hardware manuals and other things right
there for you.
Now the thing to remember is that:
1. What is the latest version & revision of SmartFirmware [i.e. SmartFirmware
v1.2 200506
A fork in the road would be if we could even do a
current port of Sun Studio to PowerPC?POWER. As was
said, I'd think the Sun Studio product manager(s) may
be helpful in obtaining the historical PowerPC
versions...
~K
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Much of the work with GCC was in knowing everything was working on both the C
and C++ side, as well as for 32-bit and 64-bit compiles. So many various
versions between 2.95.x and 4.2.x that it is good to define which version to
use and build/patch the C/C++ for 32/64-bit work.
Glad to see Cyril
be handy for other things.
Hope that helped,
Ken Mays
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atform(s): OpenSolaris CR-b28
I have the PPC build environments set up on a SB100 and x86 clone.
Need to review a few things but binutils is solid and the binutils CVS version
has a few nice things added (see readelf and a few other things). Stick with
the stable stuff for now.
~ Ken Mays
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rs to not hold back Marvell
support under this project because of the NDA (same way we have closed bins
today on the other platforms)?
~ Ken Mays
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> Ken Mays writes:
>
> > Tested cross-compiler effort:
> > binutils-2.16.1 - good
> > gcc 3.3.6 - no
> > gcc 3.4.5 - good (optional)
> > gcc 4.1.0 - good (recommended)
> >
> > I'll tend to use gcc 4.1.0 and work my way through
> CVS as nee
> On 1/8/06, Peter FELECAN wrote:
> > Sven Luther writes:
> >
> > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:53:08PM +0100, Peter
> FELECAN wrote:
> > >> Ken Mays writes:
> > >>
> > >> > Tested cross-compiler effort:
> > >> > b
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