What ever you say, it's just a smart strategy to make this unuseless
discussion over. Let's smile..
Carla Annamarie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
lack of understanding and less of knowledge will lead to unending of blur
discussion
...yang di batasi ...
jadi antara perempuan dan wanita sama-sama punya kewajiban
yang berbeda, tapi kalo hak sih .. sama nggak ...perlu juga
dipertanyakan
jangan-jangan jadi bandowati... hehehee..karena
hak nya sama : ))
just kidding .. neh
salam
Carla
...yang di batasi ...
jadi antara perempuan dan wanita sama-sama punya kewajiban
yang berbeda, tapi kalo hak sih .. sama nggak ...perlu juga
dipertanyakan
jangan-jangan jadi bandowati... hehehee..karena
hak nya sama : ))
just kidding .. neh
salam
Carla
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From: Carla Annamarie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
anyway, di jawa, sulawesi, ambon, selama ini juga udah bnyk pengrusakan
rumah2 ibadah kyk gini..kalo skrg
BOCORNYA DOKUMEN PENTAGON
2004-12-24 15:14:36
Sebuah dokumen yang berklasifikasi sangat rahasia (TOP SECRET!!!),
bocor ke tangan wartawan. Dokumen itu adalah laporan CIA kepada Pentagon
yang
sejatinya akan diteruskan ke Gedung Putih. Menurut dokumen tersebut,
Sebenarnya setelah
even iraq is a majority moslem, but basically saddam is a socialist..,
Baath party which well-known as Saddam party..the most powerful party in
iraq during saddam regime is not an islamic party but a socialist
party..and tariq azis is from the same party..anyway, most iraqi christians
had
kalo ini saya setuju bgt..mba, mana ada ''bandot '' perempuan..:))
Listy
anyway, di jawa, sulawesi, ambon, selama ini juga udah bnyk pengrusakan
rumah2 ibadah kyk gini..kalo skrg happened di bali kayaknya gak heran n
bukan hal baru lagi..
kenyataannya gak ada anak2 aceh yang dibawa kluar indo.., gak perlu
dibesar2in..pak. Din sym n Hnw ngomong gitu dgn kapasitas apa? sbagai
wakil dari MUI ato ketua MPR kayaknya rada cemen bgt..:)) gak sesuai
aja.., berkoar2 tanpa bukti.., jgn deh rekayasa gak jelas lagi udah cukup
dunk bangsa
kata ''kafir''..interpretasinya subjektif..
menurut orang yang ''beragama''..atheis/org gak percaya existensi Tuhan =
Kafir
menurut org moslem..kaum yahudi n nasrani = Kafir
pengertian kafir membentuk suatu pengertian bhw suatu kelompok tertentu lbh
benar.dan lebih baik dari kelompok tertentu..
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To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:48 PM
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from Iraq - Email found in subject
USA had to fight in WWII, there was no question of if.
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From: Carla
bagus deh..akhirnya tergerak jg.., even telat tp yg penting nyumbang..itu
jg disambut meriah sama org2 indo tanpa celaan krn telat banget baru
tergerak nuraninya, atau curiga ada maksud tertentu '' spt dugaan yang
ditujukan sama neg2 asing yg duluan ngasih pertolongan''..ironis..
if US not enter the play ground of world war II, perhaps Hitler, musolinni
and hirohito will conquer and it wont be a play gound anymore..perhaps a
tombs of nations..,Hitler with his lunatic fascism-aryan ideology, do u
ever think of that..?
if US not won the cold war from Rusia, perhaps we now
WashWatch
USS Abraham Lincoln di Aceh
Christianto Wibisono
RESIDEN Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono dikritik oleh Budiarto Shambazy dalam
Politika di Harian Kompas, Sabtu (8/1), karena dingin dalam jumpa pers
pasca-KTT Tsunami di Jakarta. Sementara Ridwan Saidi hari Sabtu yang sama
di
terang aja mesti diam2..ngasih bantuannya juga udah telat.., kan malu kalo
disorot sm media..:))
pake sok diam segala..
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Seharusnya negara-negara Islam juga memanfaatkan aji mumpung ini, mumpung
Aceh ditimpa musibah, mumpung Aceh ditimpa bencana, mumpung Aceh
membutuhkan
biaya, relawan, tenaga medis de-el-el. Jadi selagi aji mumpung, mari kita
berlomba-lomba dalam kebajikan. Tapi kenapa yg justru nyampe duluan
yeah..right.., memang masih bnyk org2 yg shallow n narrow minded di indo,
meski ngakunya educated tp kok pikirannya masih gak nyampe gitu.., ngebantu
malah dituduh ada udang dibalik batu.., arrogance n hatred udah ngebutain
mata hati n pikiran.., be logical dunk..., tapi emang susah mengubah
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i definitely agree..
Aceh is a humanity issue.., i think to mention ''Jihad for Aceh'' is not
a proper time n place..
anyway, Pak Vincent .. what u had mentioned below is really a good
perception to evaluate our self..to look things in a wider and deeper
perspective.., but thing abt Aceh is
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hopefully it's just a rumour.., anyway, if it's true i think it doesnt
really matter much..bcs actually Jesus born in our heart and that's the
place
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segala sesuatu kalo udah ada unsur prejudice akan membuat keadaan bukan
semakin baik malah jd buruk.., isu bom natal dari tahun ke tahun bukannya
as young as their daughters.
Nah, sekarang logiknya dimana kalau hanya bisa menghina?
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logically speaking
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logically speaking, the point of view of Charles moore couldn't be blamed
bcs in fact now days if a a men have a sexual contact or married an under
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:)) I absolutely agree..
itu yg namanya logika n ajaran agama yg balance..Pak..
excellent thinking..!!
Rgrds,
Carla
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dibanding malaysia, singapore, india, n philliphines..negara indo really
too far left behind..bhs ing disana udah jd bhs pengantar disekolah2 frm
...
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niatnya mo nolong malah dituduh kamuflase.., jd org non-muslim (esp
christian ppl) emang susah bener..serba salah
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tambingon.christo
Being Twenty-Something
They call it the Quarter-life Crisis.
It is when you stop going along with the crowd and start realizing that
there are many things about yourself that you didn't know and may not like.
You start feeling insecure and wonder where you will be in a year or two,
but
2004-11-17 16:32:00
Politik Benci Minoritas Sebaiknya Tak Meniru Belanda
Reporter: Eddi Santosa
detikcom - Den Haag, Agitasi dan kebencian terhadap minoritas muslim
mewarnai politik Belanda. Masyarakat terpolarisasi menjadi 'kami' dan
'mereka'. Sebaiknya tidak ditiru.
Nasib minoritas
permasalahan TKI adalah issue lama yg sampe skrg msh belom ada
penyelesaiannya, faktanya TKI indo lbh bnyk dirugikan, sebagai pahlawan2
devisa negara sptnya sgt ironis..selain kedubes n konjen RI yg ga pny nyali
n nyaris ga peduli..pemerintah indo seharusnya malu..baru bergerak kalo
udah
setuju bgt deh..Pak.
Danardono
HADINOTO To:
tentang Islam atau negeri kita.
Kebencian andalah yang membuat anda sesat.
Carla Annamarie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pak, just stick to the point..dunk, topiknya kan bukan ttg tentara AS,
Israel or whatever..
it's abt moslem ppl in our country..who claim and justifies their act as in
the name
tentang Islam atau negeri kita.
Kebencian andalah yang membuat anda sesat.
Carla Annamarie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pak, just stick to the point..dunk, topiknya kan bukan ttg tentara AS,
Israel or whatever..
it's abt moslem ppl in our country..who claim and justifies their act as in
the name
Pak, just stick to the point..dunk, topiknya kan bukan ttg tentara AS,
Israel or whatever..
it's abt moslem ppl in our country..who claim and justifies their act as in
the name of God..
masaq siy..ngelempar bola ke hal lain.., funny..
Pak, just stick to the point..dunk, topiknya kan bukan ttg tentara AS,
Israel or whatever..
it's abt moslem ppl in our country..who claim and justifies their act as in
the name of God..
masaq siy..ngelempar bola ke hal lain.., funny..
hee..hee..Pak Rachman..mo nambahin aja niy..skrg panggilan '' coy'' udah
rada basi.. udah ganti '' Jo''..
gitu loh ''Jo''..
pak pendeta, tenang aja coy ... kalo ajaran Anda benar ...tentulah tidak
ada keraguan di dalamnya ... sehingga Anda tidak harus kebakaran jenggot
seprti itu. yang benar
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Aleep McQuay
Kerry made his concession speach..and he called Bush to congrats him..for
me it an act of bravery..a good atttitude..a good values that we must take
example of..
budaya indonesia belum sampe kesana..azas sportivitas dan hati besar serta
lebih mengutamakan kep.umum bkn golongan..we have to learn
perdamaian di muka bumi ini ..
God bless Amerika
salam
yustam
hehehe ... ada yang seneng dengan pemilihan pilpres bangsa laen ...
ada efek-nya ga yah buat indonesia ?
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From: Carla Annamarie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:45 AM
maybe mksd pak Yustamdi bbrp hal mungkin rada sama..for example.,
similaritynya..both of them have magnetism charisma who draw ppl to
them..great orator and perhaps propaganda.., dan sampe skrg bnyk loyal
fanatic followers-nya..
tp yg jelas dlm segi mission and vision perjuangan jelas beda
perdamaian di muka bumi ini ..
God bless Amerika
salam
yustam
hehehe ... ada yang seneng dengan pemilihan pilpres bangsa laen ...
ada efek-nya ga yah buat indonesia ?
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From: Carla Annamarie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:45 AM
:) )...P' Nur..cheer up dunk.., jgn bete yaa,,
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tommy al kabir
:) )...P' Nur..cheer up dunk.., jgn bete yaa,,
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George W. Bush, despite all the things..won the elections, not only popular
votes but also electoral..very rare that amongst all presidents of US..had
won both side.., american ppl had choose the right and the best person to
lead their country.., many ppl underestimated him..esp in Iraq
George W. Bush, despite all the things..won the elections, not only popular
votes but also electoral..very rare that amongst all presidents of US..had
won both side.., american ppl had choose the right and the best person to
lead their country.., many ppl underestimated him..esp in Iraq
Not necessarily a better leader but due to terror, yes, bush has been
terrorizing his own people by his campaign of fear, that there's no safety
outside his administration. And, 50% of the population buy that crap.
Carla
Not necessarily a better leader but due to terror, yes, bush has been
terrorizing his own people by his campaign of fear, that there's no safety
outside his administration. And, 50% of the population buy that crap.
Carla
.
ya kan mBak?
Salam
RM D Hadinoto
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Carla Annamarie
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america memang bukan negara agama, tp negara america berdiri or
founded by
sekelompok org kristen puritan, makanya kalo dilihat dr dasar-dasar
philosophy negaranya bnyk terkandung ajaran
.
ya kan mBak?
Salam
RM D Hadinoto
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Carla Annamarie
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america memang bukan negara agama, tp negara america berdiri or
founded by
sekelompok org kristen puritan, makanya kalo dilihat dr dasar-dasar
philosophy negaranya bnyk terkandung ajaran
quoted '' Bahkan AS adalah negara
yang cukup tinggi angka pembunuhan dan perkosaan (di
sana perkosaan terjadi dalam hitungan menit).
Dalam Islam, pemerkosa hukumannya mati, sehingga orang
harus berpikir 7x sebelum memperkosa. Sementara hukum
sekuler paling cuma beberapa bulan. Akibatnya
america memang bukan negara agama, tp negara america berdiri or founded by
sekelompok org kristen puritan, makanya kalo dilihat dr dasar-dasar
philosophy negaranya bnyk terkandung ajaran kristen.
kalo dilihat sejarahnya, america adalah negara religious, tp dgn
perkembangan jaman bnyk perubahan,
Corporate Lesson #1
A man is getting into the shower just as his wife is finishing up her
shower when the doorbell rings. After a few seconds of arguing over which
one should go and answer the doorbell, the wife gives up, quickly wraps
herself up in a towel and runs downstairs. When she
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Dear Pak Nur RG,
that's exactly my point..
religion is personal domain/territory.., but the history proved us that
when ppl begins to violate each
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hee..hee..kalo budaya sikat-menyikat udah trend-mark culture
kita..he..hee..
tp kan Bapak-bapak disini udah matured enough..
perhaps im the youngest one
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jgn bete dunk..Pak..,
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riko,
sutra dey..jilbab ga berjilbab,,yg ptg kan ga ngebetein..hee..hee..
ga nyambung kan gw..hee..hee..
btw for all milis members.
have hard rock'in
kalo beramal tp ga percaya..sia2 dunk..kan beramal spy bisa masuk surga..so
what's the point..? in my opinion ppl doing good deeds bcs they
believe,right?..
RG Nur
realitanya..poligamy itu merugikan perempuan.., menyakitkan bagi
anak-anaknya,..mau dipoles dengan kata2 sedemikian bagus ato indahnya..,
berbicara soal tanggung jawab..itu ironis.., mungkin kalo tg jwb materi
bisa tp bgmn dengan tg jwb hati..?
man..come on.., it's impossible..
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religion is personal domain/territory.., but the history proved us that
when ppl begins to violate each other's territory in the name of religion,
the
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religion is personal domain/territory.., but the history proved us that
when ppl begins to violate each other's territory in the name of religion,
the
it's the matter of faith.., salvation in islam is to do and gain good
deeds, but christian is to believe in Christ...it's simple as that.., and
we couldn't argue or questioned that..,it's personal territory..
hee..heee...im not british..,Mas? gw org indo asli..campuran dikit seh..
RG Nur Rahmat
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is not something ''new'', isn't it? minority christian always be the victim
of oppresion and condemnation with justification called '' in the name of
i agree if the discussion will lead to solution not against eash other bcs
we re different.., i believe all the ppl here re sensible n open minded
ppl, who accept and respect differences of others..religous freedom is a
sovereign gift..it's private..not to be questioned..it's our responsibility
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it's not my own opinion..my point is mormon is one of many belief in the
world..they have their own god but they re not christian..
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nope..im indonesian.., why u ever think that im a spanish
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MENCINTAI ORANG YANG SPESIAL
Sangatlah menyakitkan mencintai seseorang, tetapi tidak dicintai olehnya.
Tetapi lebih menyakitkan untuk mencintai
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Being Twenty-Something
They call it the Quarter-life Crisis.
It is when you stop going along with the crowd and start realizing that
there are
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im laughing.., u definitely kidding me..right?
anyway, it's just something to inspired us in life..life is too hectic..to
many unsolved probs..and
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im laughing.., u definitely kidding me..right?
anyway, it's just something to inspired us in life..life is too hectic..to
many unsolved probs..and
in christianity, we believe that from adam and eve, we all inherited sins,
and need forgiveness that's the key to salvation.., but forgiveness of
sins and salvation cant be accomplished or given by doing good deeds, bcs
how hard we try..we re naturally sinful..we have a sinful nature..it's in
mormon have their own doctrine of belief, even they have their own bible,
they never addressed them self as a christian, but mormon..
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why the topics is just between '' Mengharamkan Poligami dan menghalalkan'',
why not Poligamy VS Faithfulness(loyality)''..it is quite fair, isn't it
rm_danardono
funny..
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good jokes..
Ambon
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Things Found Only in America
1. Only in America..can a pizza get to your house
faster than an ambulance.
2. Only in America..are there handicap
for all sensible or sensitive men here..pls dont get offended..if we want
to be honest to our self..poligamy or having affair..it's abt man-ego and
sex..the most weakness point of men..dont legalised it with religion or
defend ur self with narrow argument..we could see clearly by reasoning and
Pak.. mengutip ayat tanpa pemahaman yg jelas.., bnyk org yg mengutip ayat2
dgn intention membenarkan diri sendiri or utk mencuci otak org lain..,
melihat celah2 utk argumentasi yg blur..what for..? if u want to know and
understand the bible..open ur heart..and accept it by faith only..,it's not
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right..experience gain wisdom..., anyway.untuk pak Suhiro and especially
pak RG Nur...the defender of Poligamy..hee..hee.., mudah2an semakin arif
dan
it's the matter of faith.., salvation in islam is to do and gain good
deeds, but christian is to believe in Christ...it's simple as that.., and
we couldn't argue or questioned that..,it's personal territory..
kalo beramal tp ga percaya..sia2 dunk..kan beramal spy bisa masuk surga..so
what's the point..? in my opinion ppl doing good deeds bcs they
believe,right?..
RG Nur
quoted from Suhiro:
''kalau mengikuti akal manusia, maka semua itu akan kelihatan salah dan
menyimpang, namun akal itu dikendalikan juga oleh nafsu.''
man..if every conducts re control by lust..lust takeover reasoning.., i
dont know what in the hell the world we lived in.., liked soddom and
but we talking abt person not legal entity.., we talking abt our personal
believe abt salvation..(???)
RG Nur Rahmat
it's not pessimistic but realistic..
but i do believe there re few faithfull men outhere..that still believe in
commitment and integrity..
Suhiro
man..u re out of context here..but i think it's not a bad idea..perhaps u
should asked God abt it.., maybe if men can experience pregnancy..perhaps
it will change their perception abt poligamy..a little bit.i
hope...hee..hee..
man..u re out of context here..but i think it's not a bad idea..perhaps u
should asked God abt it.., maybe if men can experience pregnancy..perhaps
it will change their perception abt poligamy..a little bit.i
hope...hee..hee..
for all sensible or sensitive men here..pls dont get offended..if we want
to be honest to our self..poligamy or having affair..it's abt man-ego and
sex..the most weakness point of men..dont legalised it with religion or
defend ur self with narrow argument..we could see clearly by reasoning and
hee.hhee..im cool..mas..gw ga sampe mati2an..mengeducate org kan..itung2
doing good deeds..hee..he..
Suhiro
erection in men and women basically the same..yg beda kan cuma mekanismenya
aja tp praktisnya sama..
RG Nur Rahmat
funny..how u could put erection and pregnacy in the same level of
perception..
RG Nur Rahmat
in christianity, we believe that from adam and eve, we all inherited sins,
and need forgiveness that's the key to salvation.., but forgiveness of
sins and salvation cant be accomplished or given by doing good deeds, bcs
how hard we try..we re naturally sinful..we have a sinful nature..it's in
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