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I learned on an ASR-33 as well. When my son and I visited the Computer Museum when it was still in Boston [1], they had an exhibit on the timelines of computers. An ASR-22 was in the first glass case. That skips a century of Babbage machines, Enigma devices, ENIAC, etc., but it sure rocked me

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> Didn't everyone at least dabble with BASIC? I started using BASIC on a time-sharing service using dialup from an ASR-33. Paper tape was the storage medium. That's what was available in high school in the early '70s. -Jerry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---

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ailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke > Sent: 06 September 2017 10:38 > To: profoxt...@leafe.com > Subject: Re: [NF] Re: [FW] Programming language life expectancy > > > Reading up on it it was sort of ahead of its time insofar as it was a > simple interface that

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] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 06 September 2017 10:38 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Re: [FW] Programming language life expectancy Reading up on it it was sort of ahead of its time insofar as it was a simple interface that then generated BASIC code. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke

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fox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of AndyHC > Sent: 05 September 2017 16:11 > To: profox@leafe.com > Subject: Re: [NF] Re: [FW] Programming language life expectancy > > On 05-Sep-17 12:01 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: > >> there was also a product called > >> "The La

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[mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of AndyHC Sent: 05 September 2017 16:11 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Re: [FW] Programming language life expectancy On 05-Sep-17 12:01 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: >> there was also a product called >> "The Last One" which said it would b

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On 05-Sep-17 12:01 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: there was also a product called "The Last One" which said it would be the only programming product you would ever need. Microsoft are still doing that. I often wondered what happened to 'The Last One' - I never met anyone who'd actually used it,

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; From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier > Sent: 05 September 2017 11:10 > To: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com> > Subject: RE: [NF] Re: [FW] Programming language life expectancy > > Borland Turbo Pascal V2 was the real turning point for

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lf Of Dave Crozier Sent: 05 September 2017 11:10 To: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com> Subject: RE: [NF] Re: [FW] Programming language life expectancy Borland Turbo Pascal V2 was the real turning point for me all on a 360Kb floppy and only about 50 UK Pounds. I wrote a myriad

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e Sent: 05 September 2017 09:18 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Re: [FW] Programming language life expectancy My first real programming outside 8-bit home computers was Pascal on a VAX II/780 mainframe. 15 minutes to compile when the lab was busy. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at

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My first real programming outside 8-bit home computers was Pascal on a VAX II/780 mainframe. 15 minutes to compile when the lab was busy. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, at 04:56 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: > On 2017-09-01

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Delphi yeah, it's Pascal with objects. There's also Free Pascal and Lazarus. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, at 04:56 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: > On 2017-09-01 03:31, Dave Crozier wrote: > > Brilliant ingenuity! > > > > I

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Getting back to the original topic, I have a version of Richard Russell's BBC Basic for Windows running on my Win10 PC. Being interpreted and possibly 16 bit, it's not the fastest but has many good features (including native matrix multiplication and a VDU command which sets the origin of a

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Lol Paul Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Jerry Wolper wrote: Ps: first real program was to determine if a frog was sitting 8 feet > away from a pond and he could jump half the distance to the pond with each jump, how many jumps would it take

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>>> Ps: first real program was to determine if a frog was sitting 8 feet away >>> from a pond and he could jump half the distance to the pond with each >>> jump, how many jumps would it take to reach the water? Any guesses? >> >> The program's still running, right? > > Actually it's a trick

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First paying programming job was to build an invoicing program using GW-Basic on a Canon Ap-200(?). PC with 64k, Hercules video card with green mono 12" screen and an Epson FX-80. Loved that setup! Good times for sure! Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2017, at 9:37 PM,

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Actually it's a trick question because a frog cannot be infinitely small. The teacher explained it by having us fold any sized piece of paper exactly in half as many times as we could. The theoretical limit was 8 folds but I could never exceed 7 folds. I think some tv show tested this with a

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At 04:26 2017-09-02, "Paul H. Tarver" wrote: +1 Paul Ps: first real program was to determine if a frog was sitting 8 feet away from a pond and he could jump half the distance to the pond with each jump, how many jumps would it take to reach the water? Any guesses?

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At 18:37 2017-09-01, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 2017-09-01 13:04, Laurie Alvey wrote: Didn't everyone at least dabble with BASIC? I started out with a Commodore VIC20 which (I believe), had 3.2 kB of RAM. Oh yes. My first was GW-BASIC on our AT home computer. 10

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At 15:59 2017-09-01, Vince Teachout wrote: TI-994A. Unpacked it at 2:00 in the afternoon, started playing with BASIC, and a few minutes later realized it was 3:30 AM. And thus started the typical programmer problem with date and time. See

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At 10:04 2017-09-01, Laurie Alvey wrote: Didn't everyone at least dabble with BASIC? I started out with a Commodore VIC20 which (I believe), had 3.2 kB of RAM. 5K according to Wikipedia. My first micro was a TRS-80 Model I. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko

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On 3 September 2017 at 09:19, Jerry Wolper wrote: >> Ps: first real program was to determine if a frog was sitting 8 feet away > from a pond and >> he could jump half the distance to the pond with each jump, how many > jumps would it >> take to reach the water? Any guesses?

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Unless it crashes as a result of numeric underflow... Laurie On 3 September 2017 at 11:55, Ted Roche wrote: > On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Jerry Wolper wrote: > > > > The program's still running, right? > > > > +1 > > But it's getting really,

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On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Jerry Wolper wrote: > > The program's still running, right? > +1 But it's getting really, really, really close! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes#Dichotomy_paradox ___ Post

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> Ps: first real program was to determine if a frog was sitting 8 feet away from a pond and > he could jump half the distance to the pond with each jump, how many jumps would it > take to reach the water? Any guesses? The program's still running, right? -Jerry --- StripMime Report -- processed

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This problem was part of my OU Maths foundation course. It does not have a simple solution, involves a lot of trigonometry and then iteration to converge to the solution. As I recall, the answer, was about 0.6 of the radius. Laurie On 2 September 2017 at 13:52, AndyHC

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The first computer I owned was a Dragon32, but I had learned BASIC years before on a GE remote time-sharing mainframe. With the instructor's help I wrote an algorithmic solution to a maths puzzle that had plagued me for years. If anyone wants to try it, here's the puzzle: A farmer tethers a

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Yup - I indeed started w/BASIC! On 9/1/2017 1:04 PM, Laurie Alvey wrote: Didn't everyone at least dabble with BASIC? I started out with a Commodore VIC20 which (I believe), had 3.2 kB of RAM. Laurie On 1 September 2017 at 16:56, wrote: On

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Same chip as original Apple II. Yeah baby! On 9/1/2017 1:11 PM, Jean MAURICE wrote: Hi Laurie, I had a Vic20 and I think it was the first microcomputer to have 64koctets of memory. It was based on a 6502 microprocessor. I spent a lot of nights with it before meeting my future wife !

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+1 Paul Ps: first real program was to determine if a frog was sitting 8 feet away from a pond and he could jump half the distance to the pond with each jump, how many jumps would it take to reach the water? Any guesses? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Fred Taylor

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On 2017-09-01 13:04, Laurie Alvey wrote: Didn't everyone at least dabble with BASIC? I started out with a Commodore VIC20 which (I believe), had 3.2 kB of RAM. Oh yes. My first was GW-BASIC on our AT home computer. 10 PRINT "Hello" 20 GOTO 10 :-)

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Been there, done that with a TRS-80 Model 1. Several times. Fred On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: > TI-994A. Unpacked it at 2:00 in the afternoon, started playing with > BASIC, and a few minutes later realized it was 3:30 AM. > > > On 9/1/2017 1:04

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TI-994A. Unpacked it at 2:00 in the afternoon, started playing with BASIC, and a few minutes later realized it was 3:30 AM. On 9/1/2017 1:04 PM, Laurie Alvey wrote: Didn't everyone at least dabble with BASIC? I started out with a Commodore VIC20 which (I believe), had 3.2 kB of RAM.

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I first learned to program in a very primitive form of BASIC on an Elliott 4130. The first 'real' program was to analyse the data from a flight trial and became quite convoluted. Unfortunately the system didn't have a renumber option and could only print the code in the order it was entered

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So, I think I am beginning with Alzheimer ! The Foxil Le 01/09/2017 20:44, Laurie Alvey a écrit : Yeah, the one "with the enormous memory" was the Commodore 64 (64K)! Laurie On 1 September 2017 at 18:44, Ted Roche wrote: "The VIC-20 had 5 KB of RAM, of which only 3.5

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Yeah, the one "with the enormous memory" was the Commodore 64 (64K)! Laurie On 1 September 2017 at 18:44, Ted Roche wrote: > "The VIC-20 had 5 KB of RAM, of which only 3.5 KB remained available > on startup (exactly 3583 bytes)." > >

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"The VIC-20 had 5 KB of RAM, of which only 3.5 KB remained available on startup (exactly 3583 bytes)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20 On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Laurie Alvey wrote: > Didn't everyone at least dabble with BASIC? I started out with a

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Hi Laurie, I had a Vic20 and I think it was the first microcomputer to have 64koctets of memory. It was based on a 6502 microprocessor. I spent a lot of nights with it before meeting my future wife ! The Foxil Le 01/09/2017 19:04, Laurie Alvey a écrit : Didn't everyone at least dabble

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Didn't everyone at least dabble with BASIC? I started out with a Commodore VIC20 which (I believe), had 3.2 kB of RAM. Laurie On 1 September 2017 at 16:56, wrote: > On 2017-09-01 03:31, Dave Crozier wrote: > >> Brilliant ingenuity! >> >> I started

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On 2017-09-01 03:31, Dave Crozier wrote: Brilliant ingenuity! I started on Fortran, Algol 60 and COBOL but only liked Algol and went on to love Pascal obviously. Loved loved loved Pascal way back in the late 80s/early 90s. I think somebody said that Delphi is today's Pascal?