Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-26 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
Just as a follow-up, I did succeed in accomplishing this, but not in time
to record my dog's appearances.

I bought this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LAP3GC8/

When I got it, the packaging included a slip of paper which said (in
essence) "If you get a 'protected' warning, don't you *dare* get a HDMI
splitter to record content illegally." Haha.

I got one of those (belatedly noticing the "frequently bought together" on
Amazon). It does work, but now I have nothing I'm interested in recording!
Easy enough to get whatever content I want legally.

Fortunately, both local TV stories did end up on the stations' websites
(contrary to what they told us). One I posted above, the other one here:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/category/news/3565308-interview-2nd-annual-bow-wow-film-festival/

For those interested, this is the video that was shown at the Bow Wow Film
Festival:
 -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMMFck6o0Y

Fun for dog lovers.

Ken

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) <
foxh...@information-architecture.com> wrote:

>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Ted Roche  wrote:
>
>> Snazzy hat, Ken.
>
>
> Thanks! I like hats. I have lots of them. My dearest one likes them
> somewhat less (or at least the *number* of hats I have).
>
> Thanks for watching. Weird to have a celebrity dog
>


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-20 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Ted Roche  wrote:

> Snazzy hat, Ken.


Thanks! I like hats. I have lots of them. My dearest one likes them
somewhat less (or at least the *number* of hats I have).

Thanks for watching. Weird to have a celebrity dog


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-20 Thread Ted Roche 
Snazzy hat, Ken.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)
 wrote:
> Well, after all of that, the station *did* put the segment on their website:
>
> -- http://www.fox9.com/good-day/212638410-story
>
> Oh, well, I have a new toy to play with! I appreciate your help very much,
> as always. You all Rock. Seriously.
>
> Ken
>
>
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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-20 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
Well, after all of that, the station *did* put the segment on their website:

-- http://www.fox9.com/good-day/212638410-story

Oh, well, I have a new toy to play with! I appreciate your help very much,
as always. You all Rock. Seriously.

Ken


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-19 Thread Mike Copeland 

Paul Hill wrote:

On 18 October 2016 at 19:36,   wrote:

FYI - a number of months ago I called in to local radio morning show - when 
these guys were discussing 3D Printing. But, they had No Clue as to what they 
were talking about - so that's why I called in with some input. Afterwards - I 
contacted the station - and they had NO Problem getting me an MP3 file of 
segment where I called in. So - even a TV station may be willing to do the same 
- especially if the content of the show is about your Dog!

There's a radio show I like to listen to but it's on a 1am.  So I have
a cron job on my server to record the stream.

What I would really like to do is automatically remove the adverts -
it's not on the BBC :-)

I was thinking about a program that detects repeating segments and removes them.
Some ads would sneak in but the second time they aired they would be detected.

Not sure how feasible this is but it's an interesting programming project!


There were boxes that did that back in the VCR days of the 1980's. They 
would detect when the video signal dropped below a thresehold and would 
put the VCR on hold. Then watch the stream and detect the next "blank 
spot" and take the VCR off pause.


The problem was that the blank spots were also happening, randomly, in 
the program content, and more than just at the start and end of the 
commercials. And broadcasters countered the "new technology" by having 
irregular number of commercialswith the blank spots in between. 
Needless to say, those boxes didn't sell well since you had to monitor 
their operation real time.


Mike

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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-19 Thread Paul Hill 
On 18 October 2016 at 19:36,   wrote:
> FYI - a number of months ago I called in to local radio morning show - when 
> these guys were discussing 3D Printing. But, they had No Clue as to what they 
> were talking about - so that's why I called in with some input. Afterwards - 
> I contacted the station - and they had NO Problem getting me an MP3 file of 
> segment where I called in. So - even a TV station may be willing to do the 
> same - especially if the content of the show is about your Dog!

There's a radio show I like to listen to but it's on a 1am.  So I have
a cron job on my server to record the stream.

What I would really like to do is automatically remove the adverts -
it's not on the BBC :-)

I was thinking about a program that detects repeating segments and removes them.
Some ads would sneak in but the second time they aired they would be detected.

Not sure how feasible this is but it's an interesting programming project!

-- 
Paul

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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread vrfx 
FYI - a number of months ago I called in to local radio morning show - when 
these guys were discussing 3D Printing. But, they had No Clue as to what they 
were talking about - so that's why I called in with some input. Afterwards - I 
contacted the station - and they had NO Problem getting me an MP3 file of 
segment where I called in. So - even a TV station may be willing to do the same 
- especially if the content of the show is about your Dog!

-K-

- Original Message -
From: Ted Roche 
Date: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:54 am
Subject: Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV
To: profoxt...@leafe.com

> Ken:
> 
> The cable/TV/Windows industry have pretty much sewn up the 
> copying of
> protected materials unless you can find a way to access "the analog
> hole."
> 
> Frankly, if you need to do it this week, use/borrow a 
> videocamera and
> record it off the TV. A lot of cellphones will do this, although
> usually only a couple of minutes. Test it out first.
> 
> If this is a show of your dog on a local TV station, contact them
> directly about how to get a copy of the show. Most studio engineers
> will do that as a courtesy to their subjects.
> 
> If the station puts features on their website, you can often download
> the episode by hacking around on their website. or wait for someone
> else to put it on YouTube. "How to download video off YouTube" 
> has a
> few million suggestions on the internet.
> 
> Years ago, I used a couple of different video adaptors and a 
> Linux box
> running MythTV, but it was weeks of experimentation and constant
> tweaks to get it working. The good news is you can get a video 
> in the
> format you'd prefer. But you earn it. 48 hours is a tad optimistic.
> 
> -- 
> Ted Roche
> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com
> 
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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Kevin J Cully 
wrote:

> You may want to look at a device such as this:
> https://amzn.com/B00TF9MCXU
>

Thanks, Kevin. I ordered something like that. We'll see if I can actually
make it work!


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Chris Davis  wrote:

> Plex and it's new DVR feature


I have Plex, though I haven't used it much. I'll check it out. Thanks!


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Ted Roche  wrote:

> If this is a show of your dog on a local TV station, contact them
> directly about how to get a copy of the show. Most studio engineers
> will do that as a courtesy to their subjects.
>

Thanks, Ted. For some reason, this station never puts this reporter's
stories on its website. Not clear why. You are right, though, for some of
Tula's (our dog) interviews on radio and TV the engineers have given us
copies. Based on what the reporter said, I got the impression that it
wasn't an option in this situation.

Fortunately, the stories from most of her appearances have been on the
stations' websites. She has been on many, many stations (125-130?), plus
the CTV network evening news, and a huge number of newspaper websites.

I did order a device, but we may need to go the camera route...


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Stephen Russell 
wrote:

> >From youTube add letters ss infront of youtube


Thanks, __stephen ::: I'll look at those.


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:44 AM,  wrote:

>
> That being said - there used to be (and I think there STILL Is) - special
> video cards which you can use to view TV on your PC. But, not sure if with
> that you could edit videos. But, maybe you can. May be worth a look...
>
> -K-


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:19 AM, Alan Bourke 
wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Stephen Russell 
>From youTube add letters ss infront of youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6fiRtLMd1k

https://www.ssyoutube.com/watch?v=Q6fiRtLMd1k  << to get to save it.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Ted Roche  wrote:

> Ken:
>
> The cable/TV/Windows industry have pretty much sewn up the copying of
> protected materials unless you can find a way to access "the analog
> hole."
>
> Frankly, if you need to do it this week, use/borrow a videocamera and
> record it off the TV. A lot of cellphones will do this, although
> usually only a couple of minutes. Test it out first.
>
> If this is a show of your dog on a local TV station, contact them
> directly about how to get a copy of the show. Most studio engineers
> will do that as a courtesy to their subjects.
>
> If the station puts features on their website, you can often download
> the episode by hacking around on their website. or wait for someone
> else to put it on YouTube. "How to download video off YouTube" has a
> few million suggestions on the internet.
>
> Years ago, I used a couple of different video adaptors and a Linux box
> running MythTV, but it was weeks of experimentation and constant
> tweaks to get it working. The good news is you can get a video in the
> format you'd prefer. But you earn it. 48 hours is a tad optimistic.
>
> --
> Ted Roche
> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com
>
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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Ted Roche 
Ken:

The cable/TV/Windows industry have pretty much sewn up the copying of
protected materials unless you can find a way to access "the analog
hole."

Frankly, if you need to do it this week, use/borrow a videocamera and
record it off the TV. A lot of cellphones will do this, although
usually only a couple of minutes. Test it out first.

If this is a show of your dog on a local TV station, contact them
directly about how to get a copy of the show. Most studio engineers
will do that as a courtesy to their subjects.

If the station puts features on their website, you can often download
the episode by hacking around on their website. or wait for someone
else to put it on YouTube. "How to download video off YouTube" has a
few million suggestions on the internet.

Years ago, I used a couple of different video adaptors and a Linux box
running MythTV, but it was weeks of experimentation and constant
tweaks to get it working. The good news is you can get a video in the
format you'd prefer. But you earn it. 48 hours is a tad optimistic.

-- 
Ted Roche
Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com

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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Chris Davis 
Have you looked at Plex and it's new DVR feature, requires a Silicon Dust 
Receiver and a subscription to Plex Pass.



> On 18 Oct 2016, at 15:44, "v...@optonline.net"  wrote:
> 
> Ken,
> 
> Years ago - on my last version of the TiVo box I used - there was a way to DL 
> some of the programming to your PC. But, you were limited to only certain 
> ones that the networks would allow you to do this with. This way - I could 
> view some of my TV shows on my laptop whilst commuting on the train. However, 
> I don't think I was ever able to actually Edit those videos - only view them 
> with the viewer that was distributed by TiVo.
> 
> That being said - there used to be (and I think there STILL Is) - special 
> video cards which you can use to view TV on your PC. But, not sure if with 
> that you could edit videos. But, maybe you can. May be worth a look...
> 
> -K-
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)" 
> Date: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:33 pm
> Subject: [NF] Save Video from cable TV
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> 
>> Hey - --
>> 
>> Because of my famous dog 
>> (https://www.instagram.com/caninehappyhour/), I
>> need to be able to:
>> -- record live (cable) TV, and
>> -- gain access to the files in order to edit them.
>> 
>> We aren't big TV folks, and we have never had a DVR. I'd be 
>> willing to buy
>> an inexpensive one, but shopping and Googling confuses the heck 
>> out of me.
>> 
>> For example i see these:
>> --
>> https://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-EzRecorder-Definition-Recording-
>> ER130/dp/B00LAP3GC8I see I have to add my own USB hard disk 
>> (which I have). Would that do it?
>> 
>> Slingbox:
>> -- https://www.amazon.com/Sling-Media-SB375-100-Slingbox-
>> M2/dp/B011QHAOWOWould that do it?
>> 
>> Also:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definition-Personal-
>> Recorder/dp/B0018LX0DYPVR? Personal Video Recorder?
>> 
>> 
>> Comcast is our provider. Is there a way to do this without additional
>> hardware?
>> 
>> I need to record stuff Thursday & Friday.
>> 
>> Anybody willing to give me a kick me in the right direction?
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> 
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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread vrfx 
Ken,

Years ago - on my last version of the TiVo box I used - there was a way to DL 
some of the programming to your PC. But, you were limited to only certain ones 
that the networks would allow you to do this with. This way - I could view some 
of my TV shows on my laptop whilst commuting on the train. However, I don't 
think I was ever able to actually Edit those videos - only view them with the 
viewer that was distributed by TiVo.

That being said - there used to be (and I think there STILL Is) - special video 
cards which you can use to view TV on your PC. But, not sure if with that you 
could edit videos. But, maybe you can. May be worth a look...

-K-

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)" 
Date: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:33 pm
Subject: [NF] Save Video from cable TV
To: profoxt...@leafe.com

> Hey - --
> 
> Because of my famous dog 
> (https://www.instagram.com/caninehappyhour/), I
> need to be able to:
> -- record live (cable) TV, and
> -- gain access to the files in order to edit them.
> 
> We aren't big TV folks, and we have never had a DVR. I'd be 
> willing to buy
> an inexpensive one, but shopping and Googling confuses the heck 
> out of me.
> 
> For example i see these:
> --
> https://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-EzRecorder-Definition-Recording-
> ER130/dp/B00LAP3GC8I see I have to add my own USB hard disk 
> (which I have). Would that do it?
> 
> Slingbox:
> -- https://www.amazon.com/Sling-Media-SB375-100-Slingbox-
> M2/dp/B011QHAOWOWould that do it?
> 
> Also:
> https://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definition-Personal-
> Recorder/dp/B0018LX0DYPVR? Personal Video Recorder?
> 
> 
> Comcast is our provider. Is there a way to do this without additional
> hardware?
> 
> I need to record stuff Thursday & Friday.
> 
> Anybody willing to give me a kick me in the right direction?
> 
> Ken
> 
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RE: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Kevin J Cully 
You may want to look at a device such as this:
https://amzn.com/B00TF9MCXU

It would sit between your cable box and your TV to record the stream from the 
HDMI cable.  I haven't tried this but was considering this for our users 
group(s). I could record any presentation (Windows / Mac / Linux ) with no 
software to install on the presenters machine.

It might work for your scenario but you could only record what was played to 
your TV.

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(ProFox)
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

I guess my thinking dates back to VCR days. Thanks, guys.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:20 AM, AndyHC <a...@hawthorncottage.com> wrote:

> Some of these cheap Android TV streamers allow recording of the stream 
> - do they encrypt? - even the Chinese ones?
>
> On 18-Oct-16 10:14 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
>
>> If I get a DVR, can I gain access to and manipulate the files?
>>>
>> Nope. Encrypted up the wazoo.
>>
>>
>
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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Alan Bourke 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole

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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
I guess my thinking dates back to VCR days. Thanks, guys.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:20 AM, AndyHC  wrote:

> Some of these cheap Android TV streamers allow recording of the stream -
> do they encrypt? - even the Chinese ones?
>
> On 18-Oct-16 10:14 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
>
>> If I get a DVR, can I gain access to and manipulate the files?
>>>
>> Nope. Encrypted up the wazoo.
>>
>>
>
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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread AndyHC 
Some of these cheap Android TV streamers allow recording of the stream - 
do they encrypt? - even the Chinese ones?


On 18-Oct-16 10:14 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

If I get a DVR, can I gain access to and manipulate the files?

Nope. Encrypted up the wazoo.




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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-18 Thread Alan Bourke 
> If I get a DVR, can I gain access to and manipulate the files?

Nope. Encrypted up the wazoo.

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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-17 Thread Mike Copeland 

Ken,

Not that I'm aware of.

You know how "in bed" the music industry is with Microsoft? (lawsuits 
against napster, etc.) Well, Hollyweird is even more in control of 
Silicon Valley than the techies are. (All this is my opinion of course.)


Video "rights to distribute" are where the money is in media...so follow 
the money.


Mike


Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote:

Thanks, Mike --

If I get a DVR, can I gain access to and manipulate the files?

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Mike Copeland  wrote:


Ken

I might be off base, but most cable companies have gone to great lengths
to prevent you from recording video off their feed.

Saying that, I have had success with the Windows 7 Media Player recording
tv feed from an Internet streaming feed (but not from cable feed.)

I thought I read that Microsoft removed the video recording from a video
stream in Windows 8 and above.

I also tried several of the OpenSource packages on Linux, complete with
hardware, and had no luck.  After a few hundred hours I figured I had
already spent more than a years rental of a DVR from my cable company would
cost.

Good luck!

Mike Copeland


Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote:


Hey - --

Because of my famous dog (https://www.instagram.com/caninehappyhour/), I
need to be able to:
   -- record live (cable) TV, and
   -- gain access to the files in order to edit them.

We aren't big TV folks, and we have never had a DVR. I'd be willing to buy
an inexpensive one, but shopping and Googling confuses the heck out of me.

For example i see these:
   --
https://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-EzRecorder-Definition-
Recording-ER130/dp/B00LAP3GC8
I see I have to add my own USB hard disk (which I have). Would that do it?

Slingbox:
   -- https://www.amazon.com/Sling-Media-SB375-100-Slingbox-M2/dp/
B011QHAOWO
Would that do it?

Also:
https://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definition-Personal-
Recorder/dp/B0018LX0DY
PVR? Personal Video Recorder?


Comcast is our provider. Is there a way to do this without additional
hardware?

I need to record stuff Thursday & Friday.

Anybody willing to give me a kick me in the right direction?

Ken


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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-17 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 
Thanks, Mike --

If I get a DVR, can I gain access to and manipulate the files?

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Mike Copeland  wrote:

> Ken
>
> I might be off base, but most cable companies have gone to great lengths
> to prevent you from recording video off their feed.
>
> Saying that, I have had success with the Windows 7 Media Player recording
> tv feed from an Internet streaming feed (but not from cable feed.)
>
> I thought I read that Microsoft removed the video recording from a video
> stream in Windows 8 and above.
>
> I also tried several of the OpenSource packages on Linux, complete with
> hardware, and had no luck.  After a few hundred hours I figured I had
> already spent more than a years rental of a DVR from my cable company would
> cost.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Mike Copeland
>
>
> Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote:
>
>> Hey - --
>>
>> Because of my famous dog (https://www.instagram.com/caninehappyhour/), I
>> need to be able to:
>>   -- record live (cable) TV, and
>>   -- gain access to the files in order to edit them.
>>
>> We aren't big TV folks, and we have never had a DVR. I'd be willing to buy
>> an inexpensive one, but shopping and Googling confuses the heck out of me.
>>
>> For example i see these:
>>   --
>> https://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-EzRecorder-Definition-
>> Recording-ER130/dp/B00LAP3GC8
>> I see I have to add my own USB hard disk (which I have). Would that do it?
>>
>> Slingbox:
>>   -- https://www.amazon.com/Sling-Media-SB375-100-Slingbox-M2/dp/
>> B011QHAOWO
>> Would that do it?
>>
>> Also:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definition-Personal-
>> Recorder/dp/B0018LX0DY
>> PVR? Personal Video Recorder?
>>
>>
>> Comcast is our provider. Is there a way to do this without additional
>> hardware?
>>
>> I need to record stuff Thursday & Friday.
>>
>> Anybody willing to give me a kick me in the right direction?
>>
>> Ken
>>
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Re: [NF] Save Video from cable TV

2016-10-17 Thread Mike Copeland 

Ken

I might be off base, but most cable companies have gone to great lengths 
to prevent you from recording video off their feed.


Saying that, I have had success with the Windows 7 Media Player 
recording tv feed from an Internet streaming feed (but not from cable 
feed.)


I thought I read that Microsoft removed the video recording from a video 
stream in Windows 8 and above.


I also tried several of the OpenSource packages on Linux, complete with 
hardware, and had no luck.  After a few hundred hours I figured I had 
already spent more than a years rental of a DVR from my cable company 
would cost.


Good luck!

Mike Copeland


Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote:

Hey - --

Because of my famous dog (https://www.instagram.com/caninehappyhour/), I
need to be able to:
  -- record live (cable) TV, and
  -- gain access to the files in order to edit them.

We aren't big TV folks, and we have never had a DVR. I'd be willing to buy
an inexpensive one, but shopping and Googling confuses the heck out of me.

For example i see these:
  --
https://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-EzRecorder-Definition-Recording-ER130/dp/B00LAP3GC8
I see I have to add my own USB hard disk (which I have). Would that do it?

Slingbox:
  -- https://www.amazon.com/Sling-Media-SB375-100-Slingbox-M2/dp/B011QHAOWO
Would that do it?

Also:
https://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definition-Personal-Recorder/dp/B0018LX0DY
PVR? Personal Video Recorder?


Comcast is our provider. Is there a way to do this without additional
hardware?

I need to record stuff Thursday & Friday.

Anybody willing to give me a kick me in the right direction?

Ken


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