You can now load variants of ZULU as follows:
load 'format/zulu/lite'
load 'format/zulu/bare'
See updated: http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Addons/format/zulu
(...which provides a rationale for the addon.)
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Ric Sherlock wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:52 AM
No, whenever is fine. Thanks, again.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bill lam wrote:
> That was added to J602 at the same time but I forgot to add it into
> the build script hence un-available in the base library update. Now
> it has been fixed and will be available in the next base library
>
That was added to J602 at the same time but I forgot to add it into
the build script hence un-available in the base library update. Now
it has been fixed and will be available in the next base library
update. If you want it sooner please ask Chris to rebuild the base
library.
Срд, 19 Сен 2012, B
Thank you. That's nice. I can barely use JGTK. Can it be added to J602?
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:06 PM, bill lam wrote:
> the nn1 lab should had been already been added to j701 jgtk labs since
> june 2011.
>
> Срд, 19 Сен 2012, Brian Schott писал(а):
>> I have a Lab at the following link that us
the nn1 lab should had been already been added to j701 jgtk labs since
june 2011.
Срд, 19 Сен 2012, Brian Schott писал(а):
> I have a Lab at the following link that uses PREPARE quite a bit to
> load script snippets that are especially focused on the Lab. Does its
> use of PREPARE offend? My thoug
The old lab system was great in its time. I now think we'd be better
off with a simpler and more direct mechanism. I've taken a stab at the
direction I think we should go the the 'simple project managed
execution' facility in JHS (which can be used in any front end). I
think it makes for adeguate,
I have a Lab at the following link that uses PREPARE quite a bit to
load script snippets that are especially focused on the Lab. Does its
use of PREPARE offend? My thought is that the scripts and definitions
in the PREPARE section are all available in the .ijt file to everyone
for my Labs.
Also, I
I completely agree. That is the difference of good use and bad use of
PREPARE. What I disagree with is that PREPARE should be removed because it
is possible to use it for sinister purposes.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Raul Miller wrote:
> The big risk from PREPARE is the risk that the learn
The big risk from PREPARE is the risk that the learner will not be
able to reproduce their results outside of the lab, making the lab
somewhat useless.
I can see PREPARE being useful if it's enabling a UI that the lab
exploits. However, I think that the use of PREPARE to do things that
make the s
The labs are easily reviewed by anyone. PREPARE simply lets us get on with
the subject to learn without getting distracted by unrelated detail.
As we all know from the problems with viruses and so on, there are many
better places to hide bad stuff.
On Sep 18, 2012 11:37 PM, "bob therriault" wrot
Hi Ian,
I just tested the Averages lab on j701 and PREPARE seems to work, so I guess
that genie is out of the bottle.
I would use this facility to allow the learner to focus on the specific lesson
rather than the set up details.
In this way the ability to hide information is one of its gifts
I copied the behaviour from Oleg Kobchenko who I think was one of the
early adopters/designers of the JAL.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Ian Clark wrote:
> I thought you'd say that, Ric, because your wiki pages make good use
> of it... :-)
>
> I 80%-agree with you. If zulu-lite and zulu-bare e
load 'format/zulu' <--> load '~addons/format/zulu/zulu.ijs'
load 'format/zulu/zulu' <--> load '~addons/format/zulu/zulu.ijs'
load 'format/zulu/bare' <--> load '~addons/format/zulu/bare.ijs'
If there is a script of the same name as the addon then this can be
omitted a'la the first example abov
I just have some trouble to remember the meaning of the form
load 'format/zulu/bare'
is it
~addons/format/zulu/bare.ijs
or
~addons/format/zulu/bare/bare.ijs
so I prefer avoid it. ymmv.
Срд, 19 Сен 2012, Ian Clark писал(а):
> I thought you'd say that, Ric, because your wiki pages make good use
>
I thought you'd say that, Ric, because your wiki pages make good use
of it... :-)
I 80%-agree with you. If zulu-lite and zulu-bare earn themselves no
friends, then it's the way to go. Mind you, I can do that now, exactly
as you say, and not disturb the foundations of zulu-lite or zulu-bare.
Then I
> I like the wiki presentation much more. In addition to content
> changes, the formatting on the wiki is really richer than the J pages.
Thank you. It's all been copy/pasted from the Lab, but I admit it does
look prettier. The Lab lacks text formatting, but it does do the work
for you, so avoidin
Mac "Spotlight" shows me several Labs in j602 base libraries have
PREPARE-blocks, eg lapack.ijt -- I count some 40 others.
I may be adopting an unpopular stance here, but having only yesterday
discovered this facility, I don't like it, and wouldn't commend its
use. It's sneaky. And I don't accept
Hey everybody,
In J602 there was a markup Instruction used in labs called PREPARE that would
bracket J commands to allow you to do things behind the scenes when running a
lab file .ijt
I wonder if this would be an option to have scripts load without having the
learner aware of it. I think t
I see now that my description of "open" applies more to "matrix" and
is thus all wrong.
I like the wiki presentation much more. In addition to content
changes, the formatting on the wiki is really richer than the J pages.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Brian Schott wrote:
> One thing that has
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Ian Clark wrote:
>
> Yes, I too would like to combine the whole thing in one single addon.
> You'll recall the extensive correspondence (17 posts) that followed my
> original proposal to do just this, and how best to do it?
>http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/p
Thanks, Brian. I'll mull over it for a day or two. It's certainly
grist for the mill.
As Raul points out, I need some pithy "blurb" stashed away in the
right places. When the dust has settled (and I have some 3rd-party
users) I'll be able to see clearly where, and what.
I was hoping to rely on th
Just about to reply to your earlier comments. For which - many thanks.
They are helpful.
> Zulu though... why would I want to "convert a string"?
Yes that's a typo. Should be Stringlist Conversion Package.
...but the thing is, "stringlist" is a neologism in the J context.
> There should be some
I wrote:
> So if it were me, I would:
>
> 1. Try to explain the purpose of the package (at least enough that a
> user could look up the names).
>
> 2. Combine everything into one package. To get the cut down variants,
> it might be worthwhile describing somewhere what can be erased.
After looking
http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Addons/format/zulu
Lab for zulu totally rewritten. Splitting it into chapters was the answer.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Ian Clark wrote:
> I'm re-thinking it. There's 3 different labs in one, and they're
> addressed to 3 different audiences. And all mixed in
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Ian Clark wrote:
> Format is a pre-existing addon category. It plays host to Henry's
> printf utility, and seems the obvious place for zulu. But my lab just
> happens to be the first released in that category. No, the name
> doesn't give any clue to its purpose.
One thing that has occurred to me is that in the early J Phrases
document, they referred to certain nouns as "specimens" and maybe your
nouns could build on that framework. Now that I am reminded that zulu
is a phonetic name, it does not seem so bad, but until I perused your
work, my only associati
I'm re-thinking it. There's 3 different labs in one, and they're
addressed to 3 different audiences. And all mixed in together. I'm not
even sure a 3-section lab will fit the bill. But 3 separate labs will
not install automatically.
Format is a pre-existing addon category. It plays host to Henry's
Ian,
To me the Lab is almost like being given only one technical appendix
from a very technical textbook and given no idea of the purpose of the
textbook. What am I supposed to use format/zulu for? What can I do or
do more easily with format/zulu? Neither "format", nor "zulu", tell me
anything.
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