[Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
dictionary page for f. mentions "problems" with f. when u includes $: this example seems ok though:  + 1 : ' 0 & $: : (u/ % #) f.' 0&$: :(+/ % #) cut f. ' '&$: :([: -.&a: <;._2@,~) but: , 1 : ' u@cut f.' ,@(' '&$: :([: -.&a: <;._2@,~) (1 : 0)) u y : x u y ) adds some "explicit boilerpl

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
Just to follow up that this limitation/feature of f. is a necessary one.  When using $: as recursion (potential multiple repeats) limiting its scope to just its (named) self is or at least feels like a prudent way to avoid recursion errors.  Errors that are more painful than most since infinite

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread Elijah Stone
What if its scope were delineated explicitly? -E On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming wrote: Just to follow up that this limitation/feature of f. is a necessary one.  When using $: as recursion (potential multiple repeats) limiting its scope to just its (named) self is or at

Re: [Jprogramming] A new bind conjunction WAS: Dictionaries

2022-02-09 Thread 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
on the bind conjunction proposal, one huge benefit of it would be the apply verb. '[ + +/@]'& apply 1 2 3 7 8 9  NB. 1 2 3 + 6 because [ monadically is same as ] if we've used apply, we've all tried this: 2 '[ + +/@]'& apply 1 2 3 31 32 33 which executes '+/'& apply(^:2) 1 2 3 so:  b=: &

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
Jose/Pepe has done this.  afaiu I think it is a way to avoid unnecessary intermediate names. I can't say I understand how adding 1: 0 to the f. result changes how $: applying to its entire new verb phrase "complications" gets avoided in any way.  , 1 : ' u@cut f.' On Wednesday, February 9

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread Elijah Stone
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming wrote: Jose/Pepe has done this.  afaiu I think it is a way to avoid unnecessary intermediate names. I was going to ask: how? But then I realised it is completely possible to define this as-is: recur=: 13!:8@21 scope=: {{ old_recur=. recu

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:04 PM 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming wrote: > I can't say I understand how adding 1: 0 to the f. result changes how $: > applying to its entire new verb phrase "complications" gets avoided in any > way. > > , 1 : ' u@cut f.' It's not avoided -- $: represents the entire

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
Thank you Raul for an example of differences. The biggest mystery to me is how adding the 1 : 0 multiline boilerplate is different from adding ]:/1 :'u'  adverb or no adverb at all. hmmm... actualy what the explicit code does is ensure that expression results in a verb, and will not result in

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 3:29 PM 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming wrote: > The biggest mystery to me is how adding the 1 : 0 multiline boilerplate is > different from adding ]:/1 :'u' adverb or no adverb at all. The difference between 1 :'u' and 1 :('u y';':';'x u y') is similar to the difference

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
there doesn't seem to be a difference between <@cut f. 1 :'u ' 'a b c' <@cut f. 1 :'u y' 'a b c' <@cut f. and <@(cut f.) do differ in their representations, with the first getting the 1 : 0 boilerplate. There is an extra boxing level result for 2nd.  without f., first result occurs which woul

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 4:13 PM 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming wrote: > there doesn't seem to be a difference between > > <@cut f. 1 :'u ' 'a b c' > > <@cut f. 1 :'u y' 'a b c' True, but that's a different example from the example which I was trying to propose: L.<@(cut f. 1 :'u ') 'a b c' 3

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
1 :'u' is the same as if nothing was there.  1 : 'u y'  limits the scope of $: inside u to just itself, instead of "growing" to include <@ On Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 04:34:44 p.m. EST, Raul Miller wrote: On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 4:13 PM 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming wrote: > th

Re: [Jprogramming] limitation of f. , and AC use case as workaround

2022-02-09 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 4:54 PM 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming wrote: > 1 :'u' is the same as if nothing was there. 1 : 'u y' limits the scope of > $: inside u to just itself, instead of "growing" to include <@ Yes. Thanks, -- Raul ---