Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Good idea Bill,

I don't think that I could give it real time feedback since the window is 
redrawn as the zoom changes, but I could replace the radio buttons with
discrete points on the slider and that would look cleaner.

I will add it to the list. :-)

Cheers, bob

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 9:13 AM, bill lam  wrote:
> 
> Also replacing the array of zoom level radiobutton 
> by a slider can provide a better user experience.

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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[bill lam]

Also replacing the array of zoom level radiobutton 
by a slider can provide a better user experience.

Just my 2 cents.

Вт, 01 авг 2017, robert therriault написал(а):
> Thanks for clarifying the few pixel scroll issue Marc, 
> 
> I had missed that nuance when I first read the comment. 
> Your multiplier does solve the problem up to the maximum 
> screen size and after that the issue is not with Jig but 
> with physical screen limits.
> 
> Cheers, bob
> 
> > On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Marc Simpson  wrote:
> > 
> > The main issue (as far as I understood earlier comments on this
> > thread) concerned scrollbars that seemed unnecessary given that they
> > only scrolled a few pixels.
> 
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Marc Simpson]

No worries (hopefully I'm interpreting earlier comments correctly).

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 9:07 AM, robert therriault  wrote:
> Thanks for clarifying the few pixel scroll issue Marc,
>
> I had missed that nuance when I first read the comment.
> Your multiplier does solve the problem up to the maximum
> screen size and after that the issue is not with Jig but
> with physical screen limits.
>
> Cheers, bob
>
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Marc Simpson  wrote:
>>
>> The main issue (as far as I understood earlier comments on this
>> thread) concerned scrollbars that seemed unnecessary given that they
>> only scrolled a few pixels.
>
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Thanks for clarifying the few pixel scroll issue Marc, 

I had missed that nuance when I first read the comment. 
Your multiplier does solve the problem up to the maximum 
screen size and after that the issue is not with Jig but 
with physical screen limits.

Cheers, bob

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Marc Simpson  wrote:
> 
> The main issue (as far as I understood earlier comments on this
> thread) concerned scrollbars that seemed unnecessary given that they
> only scrolled a few pixels.

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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Marc Simpson]

Hi Bob,

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 8:49 AM, robert therriault  wrote:

> Your 5 second work around does provide white space around the smaller objects
> are displayed and like all good first aid, does no harm. As far as I can see
> when the objects get bigger either in width or height then the offset shows up
> again and the scrolling is necessary to see the whole of the object, but there
> is really no way around that (part of the reason I put the zoom out options 
> in).

From a usability perspective, I don't think there's an issue with
scrolling being required for larger canvases, nor on change of zoom
level. The main issue (as far as I understood earlier comments on this
thread) concerned scrollbars that seemed unnecessary given that they
only scrolled a few pixels.

Meanwhile, Bill's sizepolicy suggestion looks promising.

Best,
Marc
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Thanks Bill,

I played around with those hints for a while and then stopped when 
I got close enough to the display that I wanted. I probably should 
take a look at those again to see if that solves some of the issues
that have been reported. I never did get to the point where I could 
increase the size of the display space by dragging the window size,
but that does not mean that it is not possible.

Cheers, bob

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:36 AM, bill lam  wrote:
> 
> unlike isigraph, default sizepolicy of webview will not
> let it become greedy for space, but one may alter its
> behavior by changing its sizepolicy to expanding using
> wd command.
> 
>> http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Guides/Window_Driver/ChildClasses
> 
> all these are hints only, so that they may not be obayed.
> 
> Вт, 01 авг 2017, Marc Simpson написал(а):
>> First of all: thanks Bob, Jig is a wonderful addition to the J toolbox.
>> 
>> Secondly, here's a 5 second workaround to address the
>> sidebar/scrollbar issue that a few have raised. Replace,
>> 
>>  ID=:":(vobj; fW , fH) webdisplay htmpack tm
>> 
>> on the penultimate line of visual_jig_ (visual in debug/jig/jig.ijs) with
>> 
>>  ID=:":(vobj; 1.2 * fW , fH) webdisplay htmpack tm
>> 
>> Note that this doesn't address the webview not expanding with its
>> parent form nor does it take into account the SVG content size. But as
>> a quick hack it seems to do the job.
>> 
>> On other platforms the scale factor may need tweaking.
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Raul Miller  wrote:
>>> (or even 1b1 and 0b0 ...).
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Raul
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Raul Miller  wrote:
 I suppose you could use 1b0 and 1b1 to represent boolean values...
 
 --
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 On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:19 AM, R.E. Boss  wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
> First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just 
> before Ctrl J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel 
> J with the task manager (Win10, J805).
> After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J 
> brought me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other 
> hang ups in different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to 
> test it.
> 
> The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the 
> sidebars is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens 
> at the right hand side or enlarge the initial screen.
> 
> But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: 
> I have to remember color codes for the different data types (and other 
> mnemonics which I already forgot ...!)
> This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to 
> make life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often 
> requested to use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long 
> sentence which is easy to remember for humans is a much better password, 
> see also https://xkcd.com/936/).
> So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 
> 2; 3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, 
> extended and rational number?
> The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the 
> others are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.
> 
> Well, just my 2 cents.
> 
> 
> R.E. Boss
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
>> On Behalf Of robert therriault
>> Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2017 22:15
>> To: Programming forum 
>> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and 
>> j806
>> 
>> Greetings everyone,
>> 
>> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It 
>> takes
>> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG 
>> display that
>> allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information 
>> about
>> the results of J sentences.
>> 
>> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
>> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
>> 
>> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
>> 
>> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your 
>> system is
>> running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like 
>> Jig.
>> 
>> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as 
>> described in
>> the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the 
>> function
>> key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that 

Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Thanks Marc,

Your 5 second work around does provide white space around the smaller objects 
are displayed and like all good first aid, does no harm. As far as I can see 
when the objects get bigger either in width or height then the offset shows up 
again and the scrolling is necessary to see the whole of the object, but there
is really no way around that (part of the reason I put the zoom out options 
in). 

I will play around with this for a bit and make sure that there is not some
gotcha hiding in there before I put in that into play. Were I to do it, I think 
that I would change SCALE to 0.12 0.24 0.6 1.2 2.4 3.6 4.8 as that has the same 
effect and doesn't introduce another multiplier.

By the way, having display of really long strings is a benefit that I have used
many times in the development of Jig. Strings of up to 4000 characters display 
on
my machine, although much above that there seems to be a blind spot and the 
display
just goes blank. There is always something I guess. :-)

Thanks again for the suggestion.

Cheers, bob

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Marc Simpson  wrote:
> 
> First of all: thanks Bob, Jig is a wonderful addition to the J toolbox.
> 
> Secondly, here's a 5 second workaround to address the
> sidebar/scrollbar issue that a few have raised. Replace,
> 
>  ID=:":(vobj; fW , fH) webdisplay htmpack tm
> 
> on the penultimate line of visual_jig_ (visual in debug/jig/jig.ijs) with
> 
>  ID=:":(vobj; 1.2 * fW , fH) webdisplay htmpack tm
> 
> Note that this doesn't address the webview not expanding with its
> parent form nor does it take into account the SVG content size. But as
> a quick hack it seems to do the job.
> 
> On other platforms the scale factor may need tweaking.
> 
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Raul Miller  wrote:
>> (or even 1b1 and 0b0 ...).
>> 
>> --
>> Raul
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Raul Miller  wrote:
>>> I suppose you could use 1b0 and 1b1 to represent boolean values...
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Raul
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:19 AM, R.E. Boss  wrote:
 Bob,
 
 I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
 First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just before 
 Ctrl J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel J with 
 the task manager (Win10, J805).
 After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J 
 brought me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other 
 hang ups in different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to test 
 it.
 
 The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the 
 sidebars is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens at 
 the right hand side or enlarge the initial screen.
 
 But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: I 
 have to remember color codes for the different data types (and other 
 mnemonics which I already forgot ...!)
 This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to 
 make life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often 
 requested to use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long 
 sentence which is easy to remember for humans is a much better password, 
 see also https://xkcd.com/936/).
 So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 
 2; 3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, 
 extended and rational number?
 The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the 
 others are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.
 
 Well, just my 2 cents.
 
 
 R.E. Boss
 
 
 
> -Original Message-
> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
> On Behalf Of robert therriault
> Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2017 22:15
> To: Programming forum 
> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and 
> j806
> 
> Greetings everyone,
> 
> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It 
> takes
> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display 
> that
> allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information 
> about
> the results of J sentences.
> 
> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
> 
> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
> 
> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your 
> system is
> running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.
> 
> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as 
> 

Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[bill lam]

unlike isigraph, default sizepolicy of webview will not
let it become greedy for space, but one may alter its
behavior by changing its sizepolicy to expanding using
wd command.

> http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Guides/Window_Driver/ChildClasses

all these are hints only, so that they may not be obayed.

Вт, 01 авг 2017, Marc Simpson написал(а):
> First of all: thanks Bob, Jig is a wonderful addition to the J toolbox.
> 
> Secondly, here's a 5 second workaround to address the
> sidebar/scrollbar issue that a few have raised. Replace,
> 
>   ID=:":(vobj; fW , fH) webdisplay htmpack tm
> 
> on the penultimate line of visual_jig_ (visual in debug/jig/jig.ijs) with
> 
>   ID=:":(vobj; 1.2 * fW , fH) webdisplay htmpack tm
> 
> Note that this doesn't address the webview not expanding with its
> parent form nor does it take into account the SVG content size. But as
> a quick hack it seems to do the job.
> 
> On other platforms the scale factor may need tweaking.
> 
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Raul Miller  wrote:
> > (or even 1b1 and 0b0 ...).
> >
> > --
> > Raul
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Raul Miller  wrote:
> >> I suppose you could use 1b0 and 1b1 to represent boolean values...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Raul
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:19 AM, R.E. Boss  wrote:
> >>> Bob,
> >>>
> >>> I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
> >>> First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just 
> >>> before Ctrl J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel 
> >>> J with the task manager (Win10, J805).
> >>> After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J 
> >>> brought me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other 
> >>> hang ups in different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to 
> >>> test it.
> >>>
> >>> The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the 
> >>> sidebars is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens 
> >>> at the right hand side or enlarge the initial screen.
> >>>
> >>> But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: 
> >>> I have to remember color codes for the different data types (and other 
> >>> mnemonics which I already forgot ...!)
> >>> This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to 
> >>> make life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often 
> >>> requested to use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long 
> >>> sentence which is easy to remember for humans is a much better password, 
> >>> see also https://xkcd.com/936/).
> >>> So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 
> >>> 2; 3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, 
> >>> extended and rational number?
> >>> The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the 
> >>> others are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.
> >>>
> >>> Well, just my 2 cents.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> R.E. Boss
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
>  On Behalf Of robert therriault
>  Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2017 22:15
>  To: Programming forum 
>  Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and 
>  j806
> 
>  Greetings everyone,
> 
>  I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It 
>  takes
>  the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG 
>  display that
>  allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information 
>  about
>  the results of J sentences.
> 
>  I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
>  https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
> 
>  Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
> 
>  There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your 
>  system is
>  running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like 
>  Jig.
> 
>  I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as 
>  described in
>  the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the 
>  function
>  key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may 
>  be
>  running.
> 
>  This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of 
>  things
>  and I look forward to your feedback.
> 
>  Cheers, bob
> 
> 
> 
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> >>> --
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> > 

Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Marc Simpson]

First of all: thanks Bob, Jig is a wonderful addition to the J toolbox.

Secondly, here's a 5 second workaround to address the
sidebar/scrollbar issue that a few have raised. Replace,

  ID=:":(vobj; fW , fH) webdisplay htmpack tm

on the penultimate line of visual_jig_ (visual in debug/jig/jig.ijs) with

  ID=:":(vobj; 1.2 * fW , fH) webdisplay htmpack tm

Note that this doesn't address the webview not expanding with its
parent form nor does it take into account the SVG content size. But as
a quick hack it seems to do the job.

On other platforms the scale factor may need tweaking.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Raul Miller  wrote:
> (or even 1b1 and 0b0 ...).
>
> --
> Raul
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Raul Miller  wrote:
>> I suppose you could use 1b0 and 1b1 to represent boolean values...
>>
>> --
>> Raul
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:19 AM, R.E. Boss  wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
>>> First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just before 
>>> Ctrl J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel J with 
>>> the task manager (Win10, J805).
>>> After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J 
>>> brought me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other hang 
>>> ups in different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to test it.
>>>
>>> The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the 
>>> sidebars is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens at 
>>> the right hand side or enlarge the initial screen.
>>>
>>> But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: I 
>>> have to remember color codes for the different data types (and other 
>>> mnemonics which I already forgot ...!)
>>> This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to 
>>> make life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often 
>>> requested to use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long 
>>> sentence which is easy to remember for humans is a much better password, 
>>> see also https://xkcd.com/936/).
>>> So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 2; 
>>> 3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, 
>>> extended and rational number?
>>> The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the 
>>> others are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.
>>>
>>> Well, just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>> R.E. Boss
>>>
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
 On Behalf Of robert therriault
 Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2017 22:15
 To: Programming forum 
 Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

 Greetings everyone,

 I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes
 the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display 
 that
 allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information about
 the results of J sentences.

 I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
 https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214

 Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.

 There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your 
 system is
 running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.

 I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as 
 described in
 the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the 
 function
 key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may be
 running.

 This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of 
 things
 and I look forward to your feedback.

 Cheers, bob



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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Raul Miller]

(or even 1b1 and 0b0 ...).

-- 
Raul

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Raul Miller  wrote:
> I suppose you could use 1b0 and 1b1 to represent boolean values...
>
> --
> Raul
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:19 AM, R.E. Boss  wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
>> First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just before 
>> Ctrl J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel J with 
>> the task manager (Win10, J805).
>> After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J 
>> brought me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other hang 
>> ups in different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to test it.
>>
>> The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the 
>> sidebars is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens at 
>> the right hand side or enlarge the initial screen.
>>
>> But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: I 
>> have to remember color codes for the different data types (and other 
>> mnemonics which I already forgot ...!)
>> This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to 
>> make life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often 
>> requested to use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long 
>> sentence which is easy to remember for humans is a much better password, see 
>> also https://xkcd.com/936/).
>> So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 2; 
>> 3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, 
>> extended and rational number?
>> The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the others 
>> are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.
>>
>> Well, just my 2 cents.
>>
>>
>> R.E. Boss
>>
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
>>> On Behalf Of robert therriault
>>> Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2017 22:15
>>> To: Programming forum 
>>> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806
>>>
>>> Greetings everyone,
>>>
>>> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes
>>> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display 
>>> that
>>> allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information about
>>> the results of J sentences.
>>>
>>> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
>>> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
>>>
>>> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
>>>
>>> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your 
>>> system is
>>> running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.
>>>
>>> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as 
>>> described in
>>> the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the 
>>> function
>>> key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may be
>>> running.
>>>
>>> This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of 
>>> things
>>> and I look forward to your feedback.
>>>
>>> Cheers, bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Raul Miller]

I suppose you could use 1b0 and 1b1 to represent boolean values...

-- 
Raul

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:19 AM, R.E. Boss  wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
> First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just before 
> Ctrl J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel J with the 
> task manager (Win10, J805).
> After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J brought 
> me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other hang ups in 
> different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to test it.
>
> The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the 
> sidebars is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens at 
> the right hand side or enlarge the initial screen.
>
> But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: I 
> have to remember color codes for the different data types (and other 
> mnemonics which I already forgot ...!)
> This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to 
> make life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often 
> requested to use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long sentence 
> which is easy to remember for humans is a much better password, see also 
> https://xkcd.com/936/).
> So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 2; 
> 3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, 
> extended and rational number?
> The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the others 
> are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.
>
> Well, just my 2 cents.
>
>
> R.E. Boss
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
>> On Behalf Of robert therriault
>> Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2017 22:15
>> To: Programming forum 
>> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806
>>
>> Greetings everyone,
>>
>> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes
>> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display 
>> that
>> allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information about
>> the results of J sentences.
>>
>> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
>> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
>>
>> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
>>
>> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your system 
>> is
>> running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.
>>
>> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as described 
>> in
>> the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the 
>> function
>> key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may be
>> running.
>>
>> This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of 
>> things
>> and I look forward to your feedback.
>>
>> Cheers, bob
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Thanks Mike,

That would be a good solution.  I am sure I could find space on the right hand 
side to have that available and it would make things easier for 'new eyes'.

Cheers, bob

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 8:53 AM, 'Mike Day' via Programming 
>  wrote:
> 
> Presumably,  Bob could add a query button or an icon or the like which could 
> display a legend and/or a help menu...
> Cheers,  
> Mike
> 
> 
> Please reply to mike_liz@tiscali.co.uk.  
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 30 Jul 2017, at 16:19, R.E. Boss  wrote:
>> 
>> Bob,
>> 
>> I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
>> First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just before 
>> Ctrl J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel J with 
>> the task manager (Win10, J805).
>> After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J 
>> brought me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other hang 
>> ups in different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to test it.
>> 
>> The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the 
>> sidebars is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens at 
>> the right hand side or enlarge the initial screen.
>> 
>> But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: I 
>> have to remember color codes for the different data types (and other 
>> mnemonics which I already forgot ...!)
>> This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to 
>> make life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often 
>> requested to use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long 
>> sentence which is easy to remember for humans is a much better password, see 
>> also https://xkcd.com/936/). 
>> So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 2; 
>> 3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, 
>> extended and rational number?
>> The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the others 
>> are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.
>> 
>> Well, just my 2 cents.
>> 
>> 
>> R.E. Boss
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
>>> On Behalf Of robert therriault
>>> Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2017 22:15
>>> To: Programming forum 
>>> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806
>>> 
>>> Greetings everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes
>>> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display 
>>> that
>>> allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information about
>>> the results of J sentences.
>>> 
>>> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
>>> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
>>> 
>>> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
>>> 
>>> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your 
>>> system is
>>> running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.
>>> 
>>> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as 
>>> described in
>>> the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the 
>>> function
>>> key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may be
>>> running.
>>> 
>>> This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of 
>>> things
>>> and I look forward to your feedback.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, bob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Thank you R.E. Boss, my responses follow inline,

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, R.E. Boss  wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
> First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just before 
> Ctrl J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel J with the 
> task manager (Win10, J805).
> After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J brought 
> me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other hang ups in 
> different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to test it.
> 

There do seem to be some issues with the lab and the way that it runs on the 
Windows operating system. One question that I would like to know first is 
whether it is Jig that is creating the problem or interaction with the lab. I 
don't have access to a Windows machine or I would test it myself. I suppose 
that if I am going to develop tools in that environment I should address that 
issue myself, but for the time being it would be useful to know if Jig is 
hanging up when it interacts with the jqt ide alone.

> The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the 
> sidebars is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens at 
> the right hand side or enlarge the initial screen.
> 

I am guessing that you mean the slide bars that move the object around the 
display, so that you can view the tooltips. I agree with you, but I have not 
found a way to keep the tool tip bubble out in front of the object, especially 
when multiple levels of boxing are present in the object. SVG uses the 
'painter's algorithm' and this means that the order of drawing determines what 
is in front and what is behind. It would be great if I could specify the z axis 
for these layers, but that is a common complaint and has not been addressed by 
SVG at this stage.

> But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: I 
> have to remember color codes for the different data types (and other 
> mnemonics which I already forgot ...!)
> This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to 
> make life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often 
> requested to use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long sentence 
> which is easy to remember for humans is a much better password, see also 
> https://xkcd.com/936/). 
> So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 2; 
> 3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, 
> extended and rational number?
> The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the others 
> are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.

I would certainly agree with you that I don't want to shift the load to the 
user. I would be doing that if I only indicated the types by the visual cues, 
but the types are always available by hovering. This means that at worst you 
would hover over the object to find the type and as you get more familiar with 
the visual language, you may not even have to do that. Your observation is 
entirely valid as a new user and perhaps I should emphasize that the 
information is available through the tooltips so that there is no need to 
memorize the different appearances.

Thank you again for your observations. Please let me know if I have missed the 
point on any of these answers.

Cheers, bob

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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

['Mike Day' via Programming]

Presumably,  Bob could add a query button or an icon or the like which could 
display a legend and/or a help menu...
Cheers,  
Mike


Please reply to mike_liz@tiscali.co.uk.  
Sent from my iPad

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 16:19, R.E. Boss  wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
> First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just before 
> Ctrl J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel J with the 
> task manager (Win10, J805).
> After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J brought 
> me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other hang ups in 
> different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to test it.
> 
> The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the 
> sidebars is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens at 
> the right hand side or enlarge the initial screen.
> 
> But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: I 
> have to remember color codes for the different data types (and other 
> mnemonics which I already forgot ...!)
> This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to 
> make life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often 
> requested to use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long sentence 
> which is easy to remember for humans is a much better password, see also 
> https://xkcd.com/936/). 
> So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 2; 
> 3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, 
> extended and rational number?
> The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the others 
> are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.
> 
> Well, just my 2 cents.
> 
> 
> R.E. Boss
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
>> On Behalf Of robert therriault
>> Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2017 22:15
>> To: Programming forum 
>> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806
>> 
>> Greetings everyone,
>> 
>> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes
>> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display 
>> that
>> allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information about
>> the results of J sentences.
>> 
>> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
>> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
>> 
>> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
>> 
>> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your system 
>> is
>> running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.
>> 
>> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as described 
>> in
>> the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the 
>> function
>> key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may be
>> running.
>> 
>> This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of 
>> things
>> and I look forward to your feedback.
>> 
>> Cheers, bob
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[R.E. Boss]

Bob,

I think your addon can be rather valuable, here are a few remarks.
First of all, my system hung the first time after I did 'v t8' just before Ctrl 
J to advance, which apparently also did this. I had to cancel J with the task 
manager (Win10, J805).
After restarting the Lab and jumping to chapter 6, three times Ctrl J brought 
me tot End of Lab, which was not my intention. And I got other hang ups in 
different circumstances, but I'm sorry to have no time to test it.

The fact that the display of Jig is such that I always have to use the sidebars 
is a nuisance IMO, perhaps you could locate the pop-up screens at the right 
hand side or enlarge the initial screen.

But what bothers me most is that you shift to much work to me as a user: I have 
to remember color codes for the different data types (and other mnemonics which 
I already forgot ...!)
This is a problem which is not unusual. Whereas computers are designed to make 
life easier, the contrary is achieved (for example you are often requested to 
use passwords with a lot of non-letters, whereas a long sentence which is easy 
to remember for humans is a much better password, see also 
https://xkcd.com/936/). 
So, to be more specific, in the example of t1, why don’t you display 1b; 2; 
3j0; 4.0; 5x; 6r1 to indicate the Boolean, integer, complex, floating, extended 
and rational number?
The only 'problem' is that 1b is an ill-formed number in J, where the others 
are not, but within the scope of your addon that seems acceptable.

Well, just my 2 cents.


R.E. Boss



> -Original Message-
> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
> On Behalf Of robert therriault
> Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2017 22:15
> To: Programming forum 
> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806
> 
> Greetings everyone,
> 
> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes
> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display that
> allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information about
> the results of J sentences.
> 
> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
> 
> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
> 
> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your system 
> is
> running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.
> 
> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as described 
> in
> the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the function
> key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may be
> running.
> 
> This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of things
> and I look forward to your feedback.
> 
> Cheers, bob
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

['Mike Day' via Programming]

Thanks,  Bob

Re 0),  we might be at cross purposes.  I'd tried to point out that I 
hadn't seen

a red dot at the top left.  I forget if that's a Mac feature.

1 & 2) fine,

3) It's late here,  and we're off for a fwe days tomorrow.  When I can,  
I'll have
a look at the interaction between J-session font-size under Windows and 
display

of the longest (left to right) boxed item in the JIG output windows.
I might not get back to you for a day or more on this.

Thanks again,

Mike

On 29/07/2017 18:11, robert therriault wrote:

Thanks Mike,

Your feed back is really appreciated, as well as your patience in running 
through the labs so many times to troubleshoot! I will look at chapter 4(8) and 
chapter 6(1). As usual I am bending the rules a little in the way that I am 
using PREPARE in the lab in order to generate multiple jig displays. I will 
take a look at this in case it may be a source of the problem.

In response to your earlier observations:
0) I must learn to take my Mac centric goggles off. I will update the lab to 
indicate that 'when windows are no longer needed, you can close them to reduce 
on screen clutter'
1) The resizing that I was referring to, was through the radio buttons on the 
side for magnification. I'll come up with a way to make this more clear.
2) The off-centre display is a result of providing room for the tooltips to 
display in the negative space. In SVG the tooltips are there all the time (they 
are just invisible). All the hover is doing is changing the opacity of the 
message. There were a number of compromises that I had to make to allow the 
tooltips to appear without overlapping the results and the off centre was one 
of those.
3) That sounds as if it is a consequence of the character width. Unfortunately, 
I don't have a windows machine to test on. My guess is that if you created even 
longer numbers then they would extend further beyond the box proportionately. 
The only other area that would be interesting to check is whether the Session 
Font size for the J display (under the Edit menu in jqt) has an effect on this 
behaviour.

Thank you again for your valuable feedback.

Cheers, bob


On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, 'Mike Day' via Programming 
 wrote:

Further developments following the following:

Firstly,  I discovered problem (3) in my earlier message occurs, on my PC
at least,  for size setting 100% and/or below.  Setting a size of 200% or
more "solves" that problem.

Next:  I continued the lab,  but encountered a J crash, along the lines of
   "Windows encountered an error - is investigating - CANCEL"
this occurred at chapter 4 (8) as far as I could tell.

I restarted J,  to see if the error recurred.  I skipped to chapter (4),  but
found runquiet (or quietrun - I forget as J's disappeared!) missing,  so
had to run ch (0) and ch (1) before skipping to ch (4).  This time it ran
4(8) and onwards a little bit more,  successfully.

I now tried to make sure it was ok at 4 (8) without skipping at all,  so I
reloaded the lab.  Yes,  it successfully negotiated 4(8) again, but, in this
same session,  later crashed at chapter 6, section 1.

That's as far as I've got.  I hope this is of some use to Bob and/or others.

Cheers,
Mike

On 29/07/2017 13:46, 'Mike Day' via Programming wrote:

Thanks

I'm still in the middle of the lab,  so might be overlooking some set-up
possibilities,  but the following early remarks might be useful to you (Bob):

JVERSION

Engine: j806/j64avx/windows

Beta-4: commercial/2017-06-27T12:46:20

Library: 8.06.03

Qt IDE: 1.5.3/5.6.2

Platform: Win 64

Installer: J806 install

InstallPath: c:/d/j806

Contact: www.jsoftware.com


The machine is a LENOVO laptop,  Z50,  with an AMD A10 processor.


0) " When the Jig windows are no longer needed, close them by

clicking on the red dot in the upper left corner of the

message box."

I don't see any red dot,  although clicking in the usual place closes the

window easily enough.


1)  The window is resizable - fine.  But if I do enlarge the window,

the interior box displaying the material is NOT resized;  it typically

has vertical and horizontal sliders shown, respectively at the top and

the left of their tracks.


2)  The displayed is not "centred" in that box;  for example, with

v ,. 1;2;3j4;409808e21;409807987979797806576578x;6r13247


all 6 boxed rows ARE shown, but they are masked on the right hand

side by the vertical border of the box;  sliding the horizontal slider to

the right does reveal the 6 boxes fully;


3) However, with that example,  using either available font,  the longest

string, "409807987979797806576578"  , does not sit properly in its

box.  The rightmost "8" intersects the vertical bar of the box.


All known "features" perhaps,  and they've possibly been mentioned in

other correspondence.


It's very promising, thanks,


Mike


On 28/07/2017 21:15, robert therriault wrote:

Greetings everyone,

I have just completed uploading a new addon that I 

Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Thanks Jimmy,

1) I know that my coding skills aren't at the level of what you see with 
dissect,
but if Henry is interested in the way I have approached the display, he can 
certainly use any of jig's ideas. Do remember that dissect is a different tool 
than jig and
many of the decisions I made on the jig interface would not be appropriate for 
dissect.

2) I can't speak to the difficulty of using unicode for J primitives, but one 
of the 
things that I like about J is that the notation is so consistent. When you look 
at 
mathematics notation it gets pretty wild and wooly very quickly. I prefer %: 
and knowing 
that I can extend it to 3&%: the same way that I can with ^ and 3&^

3&%: 8
2
   3&^ 8
6561

Cheers, bob

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Jimmy Gauvin  wrote:
> 
> @ Robert : Great add-on !
> 
> Can I add a wishlist for Christmas?
> 
> 1) Could this be combined with the Dissect add-on ?
> http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/Dissect
> 
> 2) @ "Those who know J innards" : how hard would it be to add unicode as
> valid characters for identifiers?
> 
> Permitting things like  √ =: %:
> 
> (if the character before =: doesn't appear correctly in your browser, it's
> the square root symbol
> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221a/index.htm)
> 
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Ian Clark  wrote:
> 
>> Great concept, Bob.
>> 
>> Just watching your YouTube makes me wonder why we persist in using a tty
>> paradigm from the 1960s for conversational use of J – which we like to
>> think of as an advanced language. Perhaps we just like playing Mastermind
>> with ourselves when we play with J? It shows us how smart we are. :-P
>> 
>> It's no longer true that all this good stuff is too expensive to compute
>> for every line of input. Every line of operational code, maybe. But far
>> more than the basic "tty" paradigm comes for free with Mathematica – and
>> has done for the last 20 years. Where've we been all that time?
>> 
>> Actually you've beaten me to it. But I guess I will still complete my toy
>> "tty++", because I think it will help to have the session window
>> immediately display the missing information you correctly identify, without
>> the user needing to go asking for it.
>> 
>> I find myself using my "crex" utility so often I'd like my session manager
>> to routinely crex every phrase I enter. You might consider adding crex to
>> Jig, or something like it. Example:
>> 
>>   z
>> This is a line of text.
>> This is another.
>> 
>>   zz
>> This is a line of text.
>> This is another.
>> 
>>   zzz
>> This is a line of text.
>> This is another.
>> 
>>   crex z
>> 'This is a line of text.',LF,'This is another.',LF
>>   crex zz
>> 3 23$'This is a line of text.This is another.
>> '
>>   crex zzz
>> 3 25$'This is a line of text.  This is another.
>> '
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:40 PM, robert therriault >> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Whoops, I left my test file hooked up. I have updated and it should run
>>> now, when it has been updated through the package manager.
>>> 
>>> Thanks Tom, I really appreciate the heads up on that one.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, bob
>>> 
 On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Tom Arneson  wrote:
 
 Bob, When I tried jig, I got the following error.
 
  load'debug/jig'
 not found: C:/users/bobtherriault/j64-806-user/projects/enhanced/
>> run.ijs
 |file name error: script
 |   0!:0 y[4!:55<'y'
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com] On
>>> Behalf Of robert therriault
 Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 15:15
 To: Programming forum 
 Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and
>>> j806
 
 Greetings everyone,
 
 I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It
>>> takes the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG
>>> display that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other
>>> information about the results of J sentences.
 
 I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
>>> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
 
 Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run
>> it.
 
 There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your
>>> system is running the full version of the QT ide required for web
>> displays
>>> like Jig.
 
 I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as
>>> described in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that
>>> assigning the function key does not put you in conflict with any start up
>>> scripts that you may be running.
 
 This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of
>>> things and I look forward to your feedback.
 
 Cheers, bob
 
 
 
 

Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Hi Henry,

I think that the biggest difference between jig and dissect is that jig mirrors 
the J text display, whereas dissect deconstructs the J sentence to give insight 
into the construction of the result. In short, dissect does a great deal more 
than jig. Jig is just an interface to the final result. 

If jig is a butter knife, then dissect is a Swiss Army knife. In the wilderness
I would want dissect, at the table jig can be useful. 


Cheers, bob

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Henry Rich  wrote:
> 
> I am away from J, but what is dissect lacking?   By hovering you can get a
> lot of information.
> 
> Henry Rich
> 
> On Jul 28, 2017 23:55, "Jimmy Gauvin"  wrote:
> 
>> @ Robert : Great add-on !
>> 
>> Can I add a wishlist for Christmas?
>> 
>> 1) Could this be combined with the Dissect add-on ?
>> http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/Dissect
>> 
>> 2) @ "Those who know J innards" : how hard would it be to add unicode as
>> valid characters for identifiers?
>> 
>> Permitting things like  √ =: %:
>> 
>> (if the character before =: doesn't appear correctly in your browser, it's
>> the square root symbol
>> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221a/index.htm)
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Ian Clark  wrote:
>> 
>>> Great concept, Bob.
>>> 
>>> Just watching your YouTube makes me wonder why we persist in using a tty
>>> paradigm from the 1960s for conversational use of J – which we like to
>>> think of as an advanced language. Perhaps we just like playing Mastermind
>>> with ourselves when we play with J? It shows us how smart we are. :-P
>>> 
>>> It's no longer true that all this good stuff is too expensive to compute
>>> for every line of input. Every line of operational code, maybe. But far
>>> more than the basic "tty" paradigm comes for free with Mathematica – and
>>> has done for the last 20 years. Where've we been all that time?
>>> 
>>> Actually you've beaten me to it. But I guess I will still complete my toy
>>> "tty++", because I think it will help to have the session window
>>> immediately display the missing information you correctly identify,
>> without
>>> the user needing to go asking for it.
>>> 
>>> I find myself using my "crex" utility so often I'd like my session
>> manager
>>> to routinely crex every phrase I enter. You might consider adding crex to
>>> Jig, or something like it. Example:
>>> 
>>>   z
>>> This is a line of text.
>>> This is another.
>>> 
>>>   zz
>>> This is a line of text.
>>> This is another.
>>> 
>>>   zzz
>>> This is a line of text.
>>> This is another.
>>> 
>>>   crex z
>>> 'This is a line of text.',LF,'This is another.',LF
>>>   crex zz
>>> 3 23$'This is a line of text.This is another.
>>> '
>>>   crex zzz
>>> 3 25$'This is a line of text.  This is another.
>>> '
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:40 PM, robert therriault <
>> bobtherria...@mac.com
 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Whoops, I left my test file hooked up. I have updated and it should run
 now, when it has been updated through the package manager.
 
 Thanks Tom, I really appreciate the heads up on that one.
 
 Cheers, bob
 
> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Tom Arneson  wrote:
> 
> Bob, When I tried jig, I got the following error.
> 
>  load'debug/jig'
> not found: C:/users/bobtherriault/j64-806-user/projects/enhanced/
>>> run.ijs
> |file name error: script
> |   0!:0 y[4!:55<'y'
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
>> On
 Behalf Of robert therriault
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 15:15
> To: Programming forum 
> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805
>> and
 j806
> 
> Greetings everyone,
> 
> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It
 takes the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG
 display that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other
 information about the results of J sentences.
> 
> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
 https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
> 
> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run
>>> it.
> 
> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your
 system is running the full version of the QT ide required for web
>>> displays
 like Jig.
> 
> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as
 described in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that
 assigning the function key does not put you in conflict with any start
>> up
 scripts that you may be running.
> 
> This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess
>> of
 things and I look forward to your feedback.
> 
> Cheers, bob
> 
> 

Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Thanks Ian,

A great deal of the work that I did with non-visible ASCII characters was 
similar
to your explorations with crex. One of the big challenges was the differences 
in the way that LF displays depending on whether it is boxed or not!

I wonder as well the effect that the tty interface can have in terms of the
Whorf-Sappir hypothesis, and further into the future with the use of Swift 
playgrounds. You would have a better sense of this with your recent excursions
into iOS.

Cheers, bob

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Ian Clark  wrote:
> 
> Great concept, Bob.
> 
> Just watching your YouTube makes me wonder why we persist in using a tty
> paradigm from the 1960s for conversational use of J – which we like to
> think of as an advanced language. Perhaps we just like playing Mastermind
> with ourselves when we play with J? It shows us how smart we are. :-P
> 
> It's no longer true that all this good stuff is too expensive to compute
> for every line of input. Every line of operational code, maybe. But far
> more than the basic "tty" paradigm comes for free with Mathematica – and
> has done for the last 20 years. Where've we been all that time?
> 
> Actually you've beaten me to it. But I guess I will still complete my toy
> "tty++", because I think it will help to have the session window
> immediately display the missing information you correctly identify, without
> the user needing to go asking for it.
> 
> I find myself using my "crex" utility so often I'd like my session manager
> to routinely crex every phrase I enter. You might consider adding crex to
> Jig, or something like it. Example:
> 
>   z
> This is a line of text.
> This is another.
> 
>   zz
> This is a line of text.
> This is another.
> 
>   zzz
> This is a line of text.
> This is another.
> 
>   crex z
> 'This is a line of text.',LF,'This is another.',LF
>   crex zz
> 3 23$'This is a line of text.This is another.  '
>   crex zzz
> 3 25$'This is a line of text.  This is another.
> '
> 
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:40 PM, robert therriault 
> wrote:
> 
>> Whoops, I left my test file hooked up. I have updated and it should run
>> now, when it has been updated through the package manager.
>> 
>> Thanks Tom, I really appreciate the heads up on that one.
>> 
>> Cheers, bob
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Tom Arneson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bob, When I tried jig, I got the following error.
>>> 
>>>  load'debug/jig'
>>> not found: C:/users/bobtherriault/j64-806-user/projects/enhanced/run.ijs
>>> |file name error: script
>>> |   0!:0 y[4!:55<'y'
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com] On
>> Behalf Of robert therriault
>>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 15:15
>>> To: Programming forum 
>>> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and
>> j806
>>> 
>>> Greetings everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It
>> takes the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG
>> display that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other
>> information about the results of J sentences.
>>> 
>>> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
>> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
>>> 
>>> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
>>> 
>>> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your
>> system is running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays
>> like Jig.
>>> 
>>> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as
>> described in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that
>> assigning the function key does not put you in conflict with any start up
>> scripts that you may be running.
>>> 
>>> This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of
>> things and I look forward to your feedback.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, bob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Thanks Mike,

Your feed back is really appreciated, as well as your patience in running 
through the labs so many times to troubleshoot! I will look at chapter 4(8) and 
chapter 6(1). As usual I am bending the rules a little in the way that I am 
using PREPARE in the lab in order to generate multiple jig displays. I will 
take a look at this in case it may be a source of the problem.

In response to your earlier observations:
0) I must learn to take my Mac centric goggles off. I will update the lab to 
indicate that 'when windows are no longer needed, you can close them to reduce 
on screen clutter'
1) The resizing that I was referring to, was through the radio buttons on the 
side for magnification. I'll come up with a way to make this more clear.
2) The off-centre display is a result of providing room for the tooltips to 
display in the negative space. In SVG the tooltips are there all the time (they 
are just invisible). All the hover is doing is changing the opacity of the 
message. There were a number of compromises that I had to make to allow the 
tooltips to appear without overlapping the results and the off centre was one 
of those.
3) That sounds as if it is a consequence of the character width. Unfortunately, 
I don't have a windows machine to test on. My guess is that if you created even 
longer numbers then they would extend further beyond the box proportionately. 
The only other area that would be interesting to check is whether the Session 
Font size for the J display (under the Edit menu in jqt) has an effect on this 
behaviour.

Thank you again for your valuable feedback.

Cheers, bob

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, 'Mike Day' via Programming 
>  wrote:
> 
> Further developments following the following:
> 
> Firstly,  I discovered problem (3) in my earlier message occurs, on my PC
> at least,  for size setting 100% and/or below.  Setting a size of 200% or
> more "solves" that problem.
> 
> Next:  I continued the lab,  but encountered a J crash, along the lines of
>   "Windows encountered an error - is investigating - CANCEL"
> this occurred at chapter 4 (8) as far as I could tell.
> 
> I restarted J,  to see if the error recurred.  I skipped to chapter (4),  but
> found runquiet (or quietrun - I forget as J's disappeared!) missing,  so
> had to run ch (0) and ch (1) before skipping to ch (4).  This time it ran
> 4(8) and onwards a little bit more,  successfully.
> 
> I now tried to make sure it was ok at 4 (8) without skipping at all,  so I
> reloaded the lab.  Yes,  it successfully negotiated 4(8) again, but, in this
> same session,  later crashed at chapter 6, section 1.
> 
> That's as far as I've got.  I hope this is of some use to Bob and/or others.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mike
> 
> On 29/07/2017 13:46, 'Mike Day' via Programming wrote:
>> Thanks
>> 
>> I'm still in the middle of the lab,  so might be overlooking some set-up
>> possibilities,  but the following early remarks might be useful to you (Bob):
>> 
>> JVERSION
>> 
>> Engine: j806/j64avx/windows
>> 
>> Beta-4: commercial/2017-06-27T12:46:20
>> 
>> Library: 8.06.03
>> 
>> Qt IDE: 1.5.3/5.6.2
>> 
>> Platform: Win 64
>> 
>> Installer: J806 install
>> 
>> InstallPath: c:/d/j806
>> 
>> Contact: www.jsoftware.com
>> 
>> 
>> The machine is a LENOVO laptop,  Z50,  with an AMD A10 processor.
>> 
>> 
>> 0) " When the Jig windows are no longer needed, close them by
>> 
>> clicking on the red dot in the upper left corner of the
>> 
>> message box."
>> 
>> I don't see any red dot,  although clicking in the usual place closes the
>> 
>> window easily enough.
>> 
>> 
>> 1)  The window is resizable - fine.  But if I do enlarge the window,
>> 
>> the interior box displaying the material is NOT resized;  it typically
>> 
>> has vertical and horizontal sliders shown, respectively at the top and
>> 
>> the left of their tracks.
>> 
>> 
>> 2)  The displayed is not "centred" in that box;  for example, with
>> 
>> v ,. 1;2;3j4;409808e21;409807987979797806576578x;6r13247
>> 
>> 
>> all 6 boxed rows ARE shown, but they are masked on the right hand
>> 
>> side by the vertical border of the box;  sliding the horizontal slider to
>> 
>> the right does reveal the 6 boxes fully;
>> 
>> 
>> 3) However, with that example,  using either available font,  the longest
>> 
>> string, "409807987979797806576578"  , does not sit properly in its
>> 
>> box.  The rightmost "8" intersects the vertical bar of the box.
>> 
>> 
>> All known "features" perhaps,  and they've possibly been mentioned in
>> 
>> other correspondence.
>> 
>> 
>> It's very promising, thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/07/2017 21:15, robert therriault wrote:
>>> Greetings everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes 
>>> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display 
>>> that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information 
>>> about the results of J sentences.
>>> 
>>> I 

Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

['Mike Day' via Programming]

Further developments following the following:

Firstly,  I discovered problem (3) in my earlier message occurs, on my PC
at least,  for size setting 100% and/or below.  Setting a size of 200% or
more "solves" that problem.

Next:  I continued the lab,  but encountered a J crash, along the lines of
   "Windows encountered an error - is investigating - CANCEL"
this occurred at chapter 4 (8) as far as I could tell.

I restarted J,  to see if the error recurred.  I skipped to chapter 
(4),  but

found runquiet (or quietrun - I forget as J's disappeared!) missing,  so
had to run ch (0) and ch (1) before skipping to ch (4).  This time it ran
4(8) and onwards a little bit more,  successfully.

I now tried to make sure it was ok at 4 (8) without skipping at all,  so I
reloaded the lab.  Yes,  it successfully negotiated 4(8) again, but, in 
this

same session,  later crashed at chapter 6, section 1.

That's as far as I've got.  I hope this is of some use to Bob and/or others.

Cheers,
Mike

On 29/07/2017 13:46, 'Mike Day' via Programming wrote:

Thanks

I'm still in the middle of the lab,  so might be overlooking some set-up
possibilities,  but the following early remarks might be useful to you 
(Bob):


JVERSION

Engine: j806/j64avx/windows

Beta-4: commercial/2017-06-27T12:46:20

Library: 8.06.03

Qt IDE: 1.5.3/5.6.2

Platform: Win 64

Installer: J806 install

InstallPath: c:/d/j806

Contact: www.jsoftware.com


The machine is a LENOVO laptop,  Z50,  with an AMD A10 processor.


0) " When the Jig windows are no longer needed, close them by

clicking on the red dot in the upper left corner of the

message box."

I don't see any red dot,  although clicking in the usual place closes the

window easily enough.


1)  The window is resizable - fine.  But if I do enlarge the window,

the interior box displaying the material is NOT resized;  it typically

has vertical and horizontal sliders shown, respectively at the top and

the left of their tracks.


2)  The displayed is not "centred" in that box;  for example, with

v ,. 1;2;3j4;409808e21;409807987979797806576578x;6r13247


all 6 boxed rows ARE shown, but they are masked on the right hand

side by the vertical border of the box;  sliding the horizontal slider to

the right does reveal the 6 boxes fully;


3) However, with that example,  using either available font,  the longest

string, "409807987979797806576578"  , does not sit properly in its

box.  The rightmost "8" intersects the vertical bar of the box.


All known "features" perhaps,  and they've possibly been mentioned in

other correspondence.


It's very promising, thanks,


Mike


On 28/07/2017 21:15, robert therriault wrote:

Greetings everyone,

I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It 
takes the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive 
SVG display that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of 
other information about the results of J sentences.


I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here: 
https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214


Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run 
it.


There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your 
system is running the full version of the QT ide required for web 
displays like Jig.


I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as 
described in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that 
assigning the function key does not put you in conflict with any 
start up scripts that you may be running.


This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess 
of things and I look forward to your feedback.


Cheers, bob


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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Raul Miller]

jig's v will work on any noun

dissect only works on (executable) strings

(There may be other issues).

-- 
Raul


On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Henry Rich  wrote:
> I am away from J, but what is dissect lacking?   By hovering you can get a
> lot of information.
>
> Henry Rich
>
> On Jul 28, 2017 23:55, "Jimmy Gauvin"  wrote:
>
>> @ Robert : Great add-on !
>>
>> Can I add a wishlist for Christmas?
>>
>> 1) Could this be combined with the Dissect add-on ?
>> http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/Dissect
>>
>> 2) @ "Those who know J innards" : how hard would it be to add unicode as
>> valid characters for identifiers?
>>
>> Permitting things like  √ =: %:
>>
>> (if the character before =: doesn't appear correctly in your browser, it's
>> the square root symbol
>> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221a/index.htm)
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Ian Clark  wrote:
>>
>> > Great concept, Bob.
>> >
>> > Just watching your YouTube makes me wonder why we persist in using a tty
>> > paradigm from the 1960s for conversational use of J – which we like to
>> > think of as an advanced language. Perhaps we just like playing Mastermind
>> > with ourselves when we play with J? It shows us how smart we are. :-P
>> >
>> > It's no longer true that all this good stuff is too expensive to compute
>> > for every line of input. Every line of operational code, maybe. But far
>> > more than the basic "tty" paradigm comes for free with Mathematica – and
>> > has done for the last 20 years. Where've we been all that time?
>> >
>> > Actually you've beaten me to it. But I guess I will still complete my toy
>> > "tty++", because I think it will help to have the session window
>> > immediately display the missing information you correctly identify,
>> without
>> > the user needing to go asking for it.
>> >
>> > I find myself using my "crex" utility so often I'd like my session
>> manager
>> > to routinely crex every phrase I enter. You might consider adding crex to
>> > Jig, or something like it. Example:
>> >
>> >z
>> > This is a line of text.
>> > This is another.
>> >
>> >zz
>> > This is a line of text.
>> > This is another.
>> >
>> >zzz
>> > This is a line of text.
>> > This is another.
>> >
>> >crex z
>> > 'This is a line of text.',LF,'This is another.',LF
>> >crex zz
>> > 3 23$'This is a line of text.This is another.
>> > '
>> >crex zzz
>> > 3 25$'This is a line of text.  This is another.
>> >  '
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:40 PM, robert therriault <
>> bobtherria...@mac.com
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Whoops, I left my test file hooked up. I have updated and it should run
>> > > now, when it has been updated through the package manager.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks Tom, I really appreciate the heads up on that one.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers, bob
>> > >
>> > > > On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Tom Arneson  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Bob, When I tried jig, I got the following error.
>> > > >
>> > > >   load'debug/jig'
>> > > > not found: C:/users/bobtherriault/j64-806-user/projects/enhanced/
>> > run.ijs
>> > > > |file name error: script
>> > > > |   0!:0 y[4!:55<'y'
>> > > >
>> > > > -Original Message-
>> > > > From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
>> On
>> > > Behalf Of robert therriault
>> > > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 15:15
>> > > > To: Programming forum 
>> > > > Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805
>> and
>> > > j806
>> > > >
>> > > > Greetings everyone,
>> > > >
>> > > > I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It
>> > > takes the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG
>> > > display that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other
>> > > information about the results of J sentences.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
>> > > https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
>> > > >
>> > > > Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run
>> > it.
>> > > >
>> > > > There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your
>> > > system is running the full version of the QT ide required for web
>> > displays
>> > > like Jig.
>> > > >
>> > > > I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as
>> > > described in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that
>> > > assigning the function key does not put you in conflict with any start
>> up
>> > > scripts that you may be running.
>> > > >
>> > > > This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess
>> of
>> > > things and I look forward to your feedback.
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers, bob
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 
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>> forums.htm
>> > > >
>> > > 

Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[bill lam]

I ran into error on Linux,
The addon and its folder name is Jig (uppercase J)
but inside lab it refers to jig (lowercase J)

'~addons/debug/jig/jig.ijs'

Mac and Windows file name systems are case insensitive
but not on Linux.

Пт, 28 июл 2017, robert therriault написал(а):
> Greetings everyone,
> 
> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes 
> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display 
> that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information 
> about the results of J sentences. 
> 
> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here: https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
> 
> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
> 
> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your system 
> is running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.
> 
> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as described 
> in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the 
> function key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you 
> may be running. 
> 
> This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of 
> things and I look forward to your feedback.
> 
> Cheers, bob
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Henry Rich]

I am away from J, but what is dissect lacking?   By hovering you can get a
lot of information.

Henry Rich

On Jul 28, 2017 23:55, "Jimmy Gauvin"  wrote:

> @ Robert : Great add-on !
>
> Can I add a wishlist for Christmas?
>
> 1) Could this be combined with the Dissect add-on ?
> http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/Dissect
>
> 2) @ "Those who know J innards" : how hard would it be to add unicode as
> valid characters for identifiers?
>
> Permitting things like  √ =: %:
>
> (if the character before =: doesn't appear correctly in your browser, it's
> the square root symbol
> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221a/index.htm)
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Ian Clark  wrote:
>
> > Great concept, Bob.
> >
> > Just watching your YouTube makes me wonder why we persist in using a tty
> > paradigm from the 1960s for conversational use of J – which we like to
> > think of as an advanced language. Perhaps we just like playing Mastermind
> > with ourselves when we play with J? It shows us how smart we are. :-P
> >
> > It's no longer true that all this good stuff is too expensive to compute
> > for every line of input. Every line of operational code, maybe. But far
> > more than the basic "tty" paradigm comes for free with Mathematica – and
> > has done for the last 20 years. Where've we been all that time?
> >
> > Actually you've beaten me to it. But I guess I will still complete my toy
> > "tty++", because I think it will help to have the session window
> > immediately display the missing information you correctly identify,
> without
> > the user needing to go asking for it.
> >
> > I find myself using my "crex" utility so often I'd like my session
> manager
> > to routinely crex every phrase I enter. You might consider adding crex to
> > Jig, or something like it. Example:
> >
> >z
> > This is a line of text.
> > This is another.
> >
> >zz
> > This is a line of text.
> > This is another.
> >
> >zzz
> > This is a line of text.
> > This is another.
> >
> >crex z
> > 'This is a line of text.',LF,'This is another.',LF
> >crex zz
> > 3 23$'This is a line of text.This is another.
> > '
> >crex zzz
> > 3 25$'This is a line of text.  This is another.
> >  '
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:40 PM, robert therriault <
> bobtherria...@mac.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Whoops, I left my test file hooked up. I have updated and it should run
> > > now, when it has been updated through the package manager.
> > >
> > > Thanks Tom, I really appreciate the heads up on that one.
> > >
> > > Cheers, bob
> > >
> > > > On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Tom Arneson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bob, When I tried jig, I got the following error.
> > > >
> > > >   load'debug/jig'
> > > > not found: C:/users/bobtherriault/j64-806-user/projects/enhanced/
> > run.ijs
> > > > |file name error: script
> > > > |   0!:0 y[4!:55<'y'
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of robert therriault
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 15:15
> > > > To: Programming forum 
> > > > Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805
> and
> > > j806
> > > >
> > > > Greetings everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It
> > > takes the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG
> > > display that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other
> > > information about the results of J sentences.
> > > >
> > > > I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
> > > https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
> > > >
> > > > Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your
> > > system is running the full version of the QT ide required for web
> > displays
> > > like Jig.
> > > >
> > > > I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as
> > > described in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that
> > > assigning the function key does not put you in conflict with any start
> up
> > > scripts that you may be running.
> > > >
> > > > This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess
> of
> > > things and I look forward to your feedback.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, bob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> --
> > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/
> forums.htm
> > > >
> > > > 
> --
> > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/
> forums.htm
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > 

Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

['Mike Day' via Programming]

Thanks

I'm still in the middle of the lab,  so might be overlooking some set-up
possibilities,  but the following early remarks might be useful to you 
(Bob):


JVERSION

Engine: j806/j64avx/windows

Beta-4: commercial/2017-06-27T12:46:20

Library: 8.06.03

Qt IDE: 1.5.3/5.6.2

Platform: Win 64

Installer: J806 install

InstallPath: c:/d/j806

Contact: www.jsoftware.com


The machine is a LENOVO laptop,  Z50,  with an AMD A10 processor.


0) " When the Jig windows are no longer needed, close them by

clicking on the red dot in the upper left corner of the

message box."

I don't see any red dot,  although clicking in the usual place closes the

window easily enough.


1)  The window is resizable - fine.  But if I do enlarge the window,

the interior box displaying the material is NOT resized;  it typically

has vertical and horizontal sliders shown, respectively at the top and

the left of their tracks.


2)  The displayed is not "centred" in that box;  for example,  with

v ,. 1;2;3j4;409808e21;409807987979797806576578x;6r13247


all 6 boxed rows ARE shown, but they are masked on the right hand

side by the vertical border of the box;  sliding the horizontal slider to

the right does reveal the 6 boxes fully;


3) However, with that example,  using either available font,  the longest

string, "409807987979797806576578"  , does not sit properly in its

box.  The rightmost "8" intersects the vertical bar of the box.


All known "features" perhaps,  and they've possibly been mentioned in

other correspondence.


It's very promising, thanks,


Mike


On 28/07/2017 21:15, robert therriault wrote:

Greetings everyone,

I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes the 
standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display that 
allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information about the 
results of J sentences.

I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here: https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214

Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.

There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your system is 
running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.

I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as described in 
the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the function 
key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may be 
running.

This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of things 
and I look forward to your feedback.

Cheers, bob
  



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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Marshall Lochbaum]

No, the brief answer is that Jsoftware does not believe that unicode
identifiers are a good addition to the language. While it's certainly
possible for such identifiers to become confusing if exotic characters
are used, they are supported in Unbox (https://github.com/iocane/unbox,
a fork of J which is no longer maintained) and I have used them
effectively for typing up LaTeX documents using standard symbols for
mathematical constants and functions.

Unicode identifiers, if added, would join the long list of features that
can be misused to create confusing code. But there are many sensible
uses for them, and it's easy enough for organizations which don't want
to use unicode to disallow it in their source files.

Marshall

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:21:02PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Jimmy Gauvin  wrote:
> > 2) @ "Those who know J innards" : how hard would it be to add unicode as
> > valid characters for identifiers?
> 
> You can find discussions on the subject using forum search (from
> jsoftware.com forums), but the brief answer is that there's no good
> way to do this.
> 
> Just reading the full unicode specs is beyond the abilities of most
> people, but ... for example: there's good reasons why most people do
> not know how to type most unicode characters.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Raul
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Ian Clark]

> Perhaps also worth wondering why we're using english, from before we
were born, to communicate about supposedly advanced topics...

Yup, some things are so darn' good there jest ain't no improvin' on them.

Whether that goes for the venerable tty, I wonder. It seems only yesterday
I got my first tty (actually a Telex machine). Only the day before I'd been
delivering boxes of punched cards across London by taxi. Now I could type
to a computer in Belgium and have the answer inside a minute… can you
imagine anything better than that?

Well… 50 years on, I guess I can.

For a start, the tty went paperless…

Apart from that, did anything happen? I'd say yes: a lot. Which things were
good and which weren't is something we could usefully debate. Because it
would point the way ahead for the "Term" window.

Re "crex", I hesitate to offer the code. It's a rat's-nest, and only a
marginal improvement on (5!:5)…

   require 'format/zulu'
   zux
alpha
bravo
charlie
   zuf
alpha
bravo
charlie
   5!:5<'zux'
3 7$'alpha  bravo  charlie'

The trouble with (5!:5) is…

   5!:5<'zuf'
97 108 112 104 97 10 98 114 97 118 111 10 99 104 97 114 108 105 101{a.

Just getting it to print out 'LF' for (10{a.) reaps 80% of the benefit in
practice…

   crex zuf
'alpha',LF,'bravo',LF,'charlie'

Oh well, here goes…

   crex
3 : 0
0 crex y
:
NB. printable lit repn of (string)noun y
NB. y is VALUE. For cr-replacement use: crx
NB. x-:1 reveals diagnostics otherwise hidden
if. ((1 e. $) +. (0 e. $))y do.
  5!:5 <'y' return. NB. use built-in conversion instead
end.
require 'strings' NB. for: rplc
NB. Ancillary nouns:
'QT CM'=. 39 44{a.
NB. Ancillary verbs:
paren=. 1 |. ')(' , ":
q1=. QT , QT ,~ [: ": >
NB. Build representation: z
z=. y rplc QT ; QT,QT
z=. q1 z rplc CRLF ; (q1',CRLF,') ; CR ; (q1',CR,') ; LF ; (q1',LF,') ; TAB
; (q1',TAB,')
NB. catch remaining non-print chars in: y
for_c. ~. y -. 32}. 127{. a. do.
  z=. z rplc c ; q1 CM, CM,~ paren (":a. i. c),'{a.'
end.
NB. eliminate: '',*  *,'' *,'',*
z=. z rplc (CM,QT,QT,CM) ; CM
if. (3{.z)-:QT,QT,CM do. z=. 3}.z end.
if. (_3{.z)-:CM,QT,QT do. z=. _3}.z end.
NB. specify ravel for vec len: 1
if. ($y)-:(,1) do. z=. CM,z end.
try. assert y -: ".z NB. Does it convert back again?
catch.
  if. x do.
smoutput '>>> crex: BAD lit repn of noun:'
smoutput z
smoutput '>>> crex: --using instead: 5!:5 <''y'''
  end.
  z=. 5!:5 <'y'
NB. Reject "cut" interpretation of boxed list
if. '<;._1' -: 5{.z do.
NB.  smoutput '>>> redoing: ',z
 4}. crex (<'~'),y return.
end.
  z return.
end.
z
)

Haven't looked at the code in years. Must have written it when I was first
learning J.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 12:21 AM, Raul Miller  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Jimmy Gauvin 
> wrote:
> > 2) @ "Those who know J innards" : how hard would it be to add unicode as
> > valid characters for identifiers?
>
> You can find discussions on the subject using forum search (from
> jsoftware.com forums), but the brief answer is that there's no good
> way to do this.
>
> Just reading the full unicode specs is beyond the abilities of most
> people, but ... for example: there's good reasons why most people do
> not know how to type most unicode characters.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Raul
> --
> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
>
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Raul Miller]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Jimmy Gauvin  wrote:
> 2) @ "Those who know J innards" : how hard would it be to add unicode as
> valid characters for identifiers?

You can find discussions on the subject using forum search (from
jsoftware.com forums), but the brief answer is that there's no good
way to do this.

Just reading the full unicode specs is beyond the abilities of most
people, but ... for example: there's good reasons why most people do
not know how to type most unicode characters.

Thanks,

-- 
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Jimmy Gauvin]

@ Robert : Great add-on !

Can I add a wishlist for Christmas?

1) Could this be combined with the Dissect add-on ?
http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/Dissect

2) @ "Those who know J innards" : how hard would it be to add unicode as
valid characters for identifiers?

Permitting things like  √ =: %:

(if the character before =: doesn't appear correctly in your browser, it's
the square root symbol
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221a/index.htm)

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Ian Clark  wrote:

> Great concept, Bob.
>
> Just watching your YouTube makes me wonder why we persist in using a tty
> paradigm from the 1960s for conversational use of J – which we like to
> think of as an advanced language. Perhaps we just like playing Mastermind
> with ourselves when we play with J? It shows us how smart we are. :-P
>
> It's no longer true that all this good stuff is too expensive to compute
> for every line of input. Every line of operational code, maybe. But far
> more than the basic "tty" paradigm comes for free with Mathematica – and
> has done for the last 20 years. Where've we been all that time?
>
> Actually you've beaten me to it. But I guess I will still complete my toy
> "tty++", because I think it will help to have the session window
> immediately display the missing information you correctly identify, without
> the user needing to go asking for it.
>
> I find myself using my "crex" utility so often I'd like my session manager
> to routinely crex every phrase I enter. You might consider adding crex to
> Jig, or something like it. Example:
>
>z
> This is a line of text.
> This is another.
>
>zz
> This is a line of text.
> This is another.
>
>zzz
> This is a line of text.
> This is another.
>
>crex z
> 'This is a line of text.',LF,'This is another.',LF
>crex zz
> 3 23$'This is a line of text.This is another.
> '
>crex zzz
> 3 25$'This is a line of text.  This is another.
>  '
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:40 PM, robert therriault  >
> wrote:
>
> > Whoops, I left my test file hooked up. I have updated and it should run
> > now, when it has been updated through the package manager.
> >
> > Thanks Tom, I really appreciate the heads up on that one.
> >
> > Cheers, bob
> >
> > > On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Tom Arneson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob, When I tried jig, I got the following error.
> > >
> > >   load'debug/jig'
> > > not found: C:/users/bobtherriault/j64-806-user/projects/enhanced/
> run.ijs
> > > |file name error: script
> > > |   0!:0 y[4!:55<'y'
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com] On
> > Behalf Of robert therriault
> > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 15:15
> > > To: Programming forum 
> > > Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and
> > j806
> > >
> > > Greetings everyone,
> > >
> > > I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It
> > takes the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG
> > display that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other
> > information about the results of J sentences.
> > >
> > > I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
> > https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
> > >
> > > Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run
> it.
> > >
> > > There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your
> > system is running the full version of the QT ide required for web
> displays
> > like Jig.
> > >
> > > I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as
> > described in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that
> > assigning the function key does not put you in conflict with any start up
> > scripts that you may be running.
> > >
> > > This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of
> > things and I look forward to your feedback.
> > >
> > > Cheers, bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> > >
> > > --
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> >
> > --
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Ian Clark]

Great concept, Bob.

Just watching your YouTube makes me wonder why we persist in using a tty
paradigm from the 1960s for conversational use of J – which we like to
think of as an advanced language. Perhaps we just like playing Mastermind
with ourselves when we play with J? It shows us how smart we are. :-P

It's no longer true that all this good stuff is too expensive to compute
for every line of input. Every line of operational code, maybe. But far
more than the basic "tty" paradigm comes for free with Mathematica – and
has done for the last 20 years. Where've we been all that time?

Actually you've beaten me to it. But I guess I will still complete my toy
"tty++", because I think it will help to have the session window
immediately display the missing information you correctly identify, without
the user needing to go asking for it.

I find myself using my "crex" utility so often I'd like my session manager
to routinely crex every phrase I enter. You might consider adding crex to
Jig, or something like it. Example:

   z
This is a line of text.
This is another.

   zz
This is a line of text.
This is another.

   zzz
This is a line of text.
This is another.

   crex z
'This is a line of text.',LF,'This is another.',LF
   crex zz
3 23$'This is a line of text.This is another.  '
   crex zzz
3 25$'This is a line of text.  This is another.
 '

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:40 PM, robert therriault 
wrote:

> Whoops, I left my test file hooked up. I have updated and it should run
> now, when it has been updated through the package manager.
>
> Thanks Tom, I really appreciate the heads up on that one.
>
> Cheers, bob
>
> > On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Tom Arneson  wrote:
> >
> > Bob, When I tried jig, I got the following error.
> >
> >   load'debug/jig'
> > not found: C:/users/bobtherriault/j64-806-user/projects/enhanced/run.ijs
> > |file name error: script
> > |   0!:0 y[4!:55<'y'
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com] On
> Behalf Of robert therriault
> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 15:15
> > To: Programming forum 
> > Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and
> j806
> >
> > Greetings everyone,
> >
> > I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It
> takes the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG
> display that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other
> information about the results of J sentences.
> >
> > I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here:
> https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
> >
> > Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
> >
> > There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your
> system is running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays
> like Jig.
> >
> > I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as
> described in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that
> assigning the function key does not put you in conflict with any start up
> scripts that you may be running.
> >
> > This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of
> things and I look forward to your feedback.
> >
> > Cheers, bob
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> >
> > --
> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
>
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Whoops, I left my test file hooked up. I have updated and it should run now, 
when it has been updated through the package manager.

Thanks Tom, I really appreciate the heads up on that one.

Cheers, bob

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Tom Arneson  wrote:
> 
> Bob, When I tried jig, I got the following error.
> 
>   load'debug/jig'
> not found: C:/users/bobtherriault/j64-806-user/projects/enhanced/run.ijs
> |file name error: script
> |   0!:0 y[4!:55<'y'
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com] On Behalf 
> Of robert therriault
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 15:15
> To: Programming forum 
> Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806
> 
> Greetings everyone,
> 
> I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes 
> the standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display 
> that allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information 
> about the results of J sentences. 
> 
> I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here: https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214
> 
> Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.
> 
> There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your system 
> is running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.
> 
> I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as described 
> in the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the 
> function key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you 
> may be running. 
> 
> This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of 
> things and I look forward to your feedback.
> 
> Cheers, bob
> 
> 
> 
> --
> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
> 
> --
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Re: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[Tom Arneson]

Bob, When I tried jig, I got the following error.

   load'debug/jig'
not found: C:/users/bobtherriault/j64-806-user/projects/enhanced/run.ijs
|file name error: script
|   0!:0 y[4!:55<'y'

-Original Message-
From: Programming [mailto:programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com] On Behalf 
Of robert therriault
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 15:15
To: Programming forum 
Subject: [Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

Greetings everyone,

I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes the 
standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display that 
allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information about the 
results of J sentences. 

I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here: https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214

Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.

There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your system is 
running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.

I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as described in 
the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the function 
key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may be 
running. 

This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of things 
and I look forward to your feedback.

Cheers, bob
 


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[Jprogramming] Jig - an augmented display for jqt in j805 and j806

[robert therriault]

Greetings everyone,

I have just completed uploading a new addon that I have named Jig. It takes the 
standard J text display and upgrades it to an interactive SVG display that 
allows quick access to type and shape and a host of other information about the 
results of J sentences. 

I have posted a short video (1 minute) demo here: https://youtu.be/dK1y_V07214

Once you have updated using Package Manager you should be able to run it.

There is also a lab in the 'debug' category that will check that your system is 
running the full version of the QT ide required for web displays like Jig.

I find it most useful when I have assigned a function key to it as described in 
the second last chapter of the lab. Just make sure that assigning the function 
key does not put you in conflict with any start up scripts that you may be 
running. 

This is my first addon so I hope that I have not made too big a mess of things 
and I look forward to your feedback.

Cheers, bob
 


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