Hello All,
Mark Richards wrote:
Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools?
I didn't receive it either. Last week I informed the 'Altium Sales Support
Center ' in the Netherlands. They told me that they were working on it. They
were promising me that I would
According to Altium Germany the additional license fee is EUR 3875, which
is significantly cheaper than 3995 US$, if you take into account the
exchange rate, and it includes ATS and update to Phoenix. Sounds
interesting to me.
Regards,
Gisbert Auge
N.A.T. GmbH
At 11:19 AM 2/4/2002 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote:
Not here either and they could practically frisbee it to me from Altium
head office.
So THAT explains the official Altium frisbee I got at PCB Design Conference
East. They must have run out of them
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At 03:10 PM 2/3/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote:
You should also point out that if you are going to use alternate footprints,
that if update footprints is needed to be used during synchronization to
update
a bunch of updated or changed footprints in a board that the system will
remove
any of these
More a general layout question really.
Is there any point to thermal relief on vias to planes? I can understand
through hold pads for a through hole component, but for just stitching a
flood to a power plane I can't see the point.
Regards,
Andrew Ircha
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At 02:51 PM 2/4/2002 +, Andrew Ircha wrote:
Is there any point to thermal relief on vias to planes? I can understand
through hold pads for a through hole component, but for just stitching a
flood to a power plane I can't see the point.
No, there is no point, though it is usually harmless.
Hi, all...
something that's just bitten me on 2 boards in a row - I've got
components called shunts, which are just 2-pin components designed to be a
way of tying nets together without making them the same net - it's been
discussed here many times. All is well, except that, when placed at
hello,
i had a 4 layer board with 2 planes and 2 layers of traces.
it routed 100% but then was taking forever trying to resolve
contentions. i stopped it and added two more layers for
traces.
its now going to 99% routing completion and stopping, with
2 connections remaining. this took under 3
Mark Richards wrote:
Hello All,
Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools? I live
in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive the package. I did, however, receive
confirmation shortly after I signed up for the offer a couple months ago. Just
curious.
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Andrew Ircha wrote:
I assume that Viewmate is some kind of Gerber viewing package.
Yep, from Lavenir - seems to be well behaved, and is free (but won't save
in demo mode).
It might be helpful to tell us how many of these shunts you have on the
board.
30, of which 9 were
Dwight,
Mr. Lomax pointed out and unless there is something wrong
with my intsallation, it does respect a footprint in each symbol however
ONLY the first and not any alternates that may be listed.
If you have a symbol with more than one footprint listed
try update footprints and see what ends up
I was wondering about this last week, so I fired off an email to Altium.
This is the reply I received last thursday:
Good morning. We still do not have a guaranteed date of shipment for the
8051/XA toolset. The estimated time is from 2 to 3 weeks from this point.
I apologize that I can not
earlier i posted:
i had a 4 layer board with 2 planes and 2 layers of traces.
it routed 100% but then was taking forever trying to resolve
contentions. i stopped it and added two more layers for
traces.
its now going to 99% routing completion and stopping, with
2 connections remaining. this
Now, to the present problem. Here is what I suggest. Create a board file
with just one of the pads in question. Plot it. Copy the gerber code into a
mail to the list. Describe the pad's characteristics fully, also anything
which might be relevant from the gerber setups.
Unfortunately,
we generally have a few unrouted and generally they are surprisingly
easy to put in
Dennis Saputelli
Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
earlier i posted:
i had a 4 layer board with 2 planes and 2 layers of traces.
it routed 100% but then was taking forever trying to resolve
contentions. i
At 11:40 AM 2/4/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote:
Dwight,
Mr. Lomax pointed out and unless there is something wrong
with my intsallation, it does respect a footprint in each symbol however
ONLY the first and not any alternates that may be listed.
I just spent a fair amount of time attempting to
I have parts on a few of my boards that are rotated at 45 degrees. If I use
round pads, they photoplot OK. When I tried rectangualr pads, they were
drawn with a spiral pattern that looked like a rectangular pad. If you can
live with round pads on your parts, then use them. (BTW - Accel didn't
At 05:27 PM 2/4/2002 +, Steve Wiseman wrote:
Ah - an update. Copy paste failed, but cut paste worked. I've now got
a small PCB that shows the behaviour. Any takers for a .pcb and .GBL?
Sure
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Easthampton, Massachusetts USA
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Sean James wrote:
I have parts on a few of my boards that are rotated at 45 degrees. If I use
round pads, they photoplot OK. When I tried rectangualr pads, they were
drawn with a spiral pattern that looked like a rectangular pad. If you can
live with round pads on your
Dennis Saputelli said:
we generally have a few unrouted and generally they are surprisingly
easy to put in.
***
thanks dennis,
i did a design rules check and i had 15 shorts and 15
corresponding clearance constraints. scared me good!
i looked at some of the problems and
Ah - an update. Copy paste failed, but cut paste worked. I've now got
a small PCB that shows the behaviour. Any takers for a .pcb and .GBL?
Steve
I'd be very interested in taking a look at this if you don't mind sending
'em to me.
I use shunts all the time.
Thanks,
Frank
Frank Gilley
Yes,
We did talk about this a bit back.
I am talking about the footprint field or fields in a symbol, ie the list
you
can edit to define a footprint or footprints you would like to appear on a
board
for that symbol. In symbol under description there are 4 fields Footprint
1-4
Like you said if
Originally posted on the [PrU] yahoo group, copied to PEDA as there may be
some comments here as well...
On 05:49 PM 4/02/2002 +, mwerle said:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 04:27 PM 2/4/2002 +, mwerle wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to
Tony Karavidas wrote:
Here's one to ponder:
I have a schematic that uses an array of SPST switches and LEDs.
On the PCB, I want to potentially keeps these as integrated parts, or
possibly as separate LEDs and switches.
How can I draw one schematic and still have the flexibility to use
On 11:40 AM 4/02/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe said:
Dwight,
Mr. Lomax pointed out and unless there is something wrong
with my intsallation, it does respect a footprint in each symbol however
ONLY the first and not any alternates that may be listed.
If you have a symbol with more than one footprint
Sorry I haven't gotten around to the subject at hand- I've been keeping the
mouse wheels burning. The building that I work in has a restaurant that may
accomodate us for a meeting in Worcester. Let me know how many would like to
attend and a date to meet. I'll set things up at the restaurant and
From: Steve Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ah - an update. Copy paste failed, but cut paste worked. I've now got
a small PCB that shows the behaviour. Any takers for a .pcb and .GBL?
You should open a new PCB file, and import the gerbers to it. Then, take a
look
at the pads in question.
Ian,
Thanks for the response, and I thought I was being helpful
to the guy who originally posted on this thread if he chose to use another
footprint from that in a library symbol, but I guess that is not the case as
I am the only
one seeing this as a problem from what I read. It sounded to me
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jon Elson wrote:
You should open a new PCB file, and import the gerbers to it. Then, take a
look
at the pads in question.
Just done it - and no, no pads. It's definitely a problem within Protel,
(but easier to visualise in a gerber viewer which can display pads
tracks in
On principle we never applied for it. While the Engineer in me was curious,
we don't use 8051's ( not for 10 years or more). To apply accept the
trinket was to grant tacit approval to the ATS system, which we most
certainly do not.
YMMV
Cheers
Don
Mark Richards wrote:
Hello All,
Just a
The only case I have done this for is a BGA:
I found a fab drawing note in an email on the Technet users group:
THE VIA HOLES BENEATH THE BGA AREAS MUST BE PLUGGED SUCH THAT IT WILL NOT
CAUSE SOLDER DRAIN DURING SOLDERING
I was talking with another designer, Phil Dutton, and he aslo
AHHH! Bob - I think I see what you're doing different! Please confirm...
You are changing the footprint in the PCB, NOT in the SCH. Then the next
time you run synchronize from SCH to PCB, it tries to put it back. If you
change the PCB, you must either back-annotate, or manually change the SCH
On 02:11 PM 4/02/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe said:
Yes,
We did talk about this a bit back.
I am talking about the footprint field or fields in a symbol, ie the list
you
can edit to define a footprint or footprints you would like to appear on a
board
for that symbol. In symbol under description there
Ditto here
Steve Smith
Product Engineer
Staco Energy Products Co.
Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com
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From: Don Ingram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:32 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
On principle we never
In US, [EMAIL PROTECTED] works, I think, or 1-800-544-4186. I've gotten
pretty good responses the 2 or 3 times I've contacted them in the last few
months. (You're mileage may vary!)
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From: Steve Wiseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Wiseman
Sent:
On 07:32 PM 4/02/2002 +1000, Don Ingram said:
On principle we never applied for it. While the Engineer in me was curious,
we don't use 8051's ( not for 10 years or more). To apply accept the
trinket was to grant tacit approval to the ATS system, which we most
certainly do not.
YMMV
Don
I am
Well, if you stop an autoroute session, and then re-started it without
unrouting what it did, and you have lock all pre-routes checked, then it's
possible that would happen. When you do a Tools | Unroute | All, you get a
prompt for including locked primitives. If you say Yes, it SHOULD get rid
hello,
for the first time i've attempted to lock down some
pre-laid traces and then have the autorouter finish
the job. i believe that i've followed the directions
on p.576-577 of the protel99 design book by clicking
one of the laid traces, locking it, and then extending
that to all the traces
At 01:33 PM 2/4/2002 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
i did a design rules check and i had 15 shorts and 15
corresponding clearance constraints. scared me good!
i looked at some of the problems and there were vias
and traces with no net. i was clueless.
This is what happens when the
At 02:11 PM 2/4/2002 -0500, Bob Wolfe wrote:
I am talking about the footprint field or fields in a symbol, ie the list
you
can edit to define a footprint or footprints you would like to appear on a
board
for that symbol. In symbol under description there are 4 fields Footprint
1-4
Like you said
At 09:30 PM 2/4/2002 +, Steve Wiseman wrote:
I'm not sure if you import check your gerbers, looking for features that
have been rendered wrongly... It's not something I'm prepared to do. (this
board reports as 20,000 tracks, 4019 pads, and I'm looking for a defect 8
thou by 6 - it's quicker
At 08:34 AM 2/5/2002 +1100, Colin Weber wrote:
I was talking with another designer, Phil Dutton, and he aslo recommended
the Power Connections Relieved.
Make sure that your Power connections are relieved, or they will cool
down faster than the rest of the device, inducing stresses.
That is
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Brand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 2:59 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
I was wondering about this last week, so I fired off an email
to Altium.
This is the reply I received last
Yes, but the power connections are made through the Vias are they not?
There are over 100 ground and 3.3V/2.5V balls that connect to internal
planes through Vias. At least for this particular BGA. Therefore, wouldn't
the thermal effects still be relevant in this case?
At 06:10 PM 4/02/2002
Steve Wiseman wrote:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jon Elson wrote:
You should open a new PCB file, and import the gerbers to it. Then, take a
look
at the pads in question.
Just done it - and no, no pads. It's definitely a problem within Protel,
(but easier to visualise in a gerber viewer which
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jon Elson wrote:
I think there is a report bugs email address or link on their web site.
Yeah, I just couldn't get to www.protel.com this morning... Ho hum...
Well, I DO check them this way. I certainly DON'T check EVERY track
and pad, just look for wierd stuff, like 1
Those are old instructions. It should work (and does for me) if you just
check the box in Autoroute | Setup for lock all pre-routes. If you later
do Tools | Unroute | All, be sure to choose No for unrouting locked
primitives.
Does the board pass DRC completely (with unrouted nets un-checked)
snip
The SDK will be of some use as you can map values seen in the ASCII file
to
ranges for the various types (whose values are not given in the SDK
documentation but can be found either by browsing the SDK files or by a
process of experimentation.
Rant on
Note that the SDK is covered by
At 11:09 AM 2/5/2002 +1100, you wrote:
Yes, but the power connections are made through the Vias are they not?
There are over 100 ground and 3.3V/2.5V balls that connect to internal
planes through Vias. At least for this particular BGA. Therefore, wouldn't
the thermal effects still be relevant in
Hi all
Quicky...
Can you do a global change on polygons?
Wayne Trow
PCB Design Technician
Gallagher Group LTD
Hamilton
NEW ZEALAND
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It depends what you want to do.
You can unlock the polygon primitives and do a global edit on any of the
tracks that make up the polygon.
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From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 1:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEDA]
to put the via in the BGA pad is feasible but it must be a micro via
(otherwise there are paste problems with bigger vias in pad)
these are about 2 mils in dia
the ones i have investigated are laser fab'd and as such only go to the
layer directly below where you put a blind or buried via to
What I want to do is change to track width and grid spacing globally. But
considering its within the dialog box of the polygon I would say that its
not possible.
Thanks anyway
Wayne Trow
PCB Design Technician
Gallagher Group LTD
Hamilton
NEW ZEALAND
[p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737
[f] +64 7 838
Hi all,
Is it possible to change the Title, No. and Revision on a global basis
rather than sheet by sheet? I have never seen a global setting for this but
I know that entering that data 20 times for a 20 sheet schematic can't be
what protel intended :)
Afshin Salehi
DPS Telecom
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There is a 'redraw all polygons' server written by one of this groups
members (I think).
Perhaps it could be altered to accomplish your request.
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From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 2:15 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re:
Nice one Geoff, I usually use the large 90 but the small 45 cursor will
also
come in very handy now that I have your select cursor sever set up on a
hot
key.
Thanks.
Thomas
I'm glad to hear you appreciate my efforts. I've had a bit of feedback to
date on the Servers I've released, but I've
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