Re: [PEDA] Antwort: ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY

2001-11-02 Thread ga
Don Ingram wrote: I don't accept that the solution to this is to move to another product. We have spent a hell of a lot of blood, sweat tears over the years while trying to turn out a living with this product. That is exactly it !! Perhaps we should all buy some Altium shares and show up at

[PEDA] PCB Component Placement

2001-11-02 Thread Stephen Smith
I don't know what I've done, but before I used to be able to select a component, from a PCB library, and place as many as I liked (unless I was dreaming!!!), but now I can only place one component at a time, having to click the place command every time. What have I changed ? Steve * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY

2001-11-02 Thread Simon Peacock
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don Ingram wrote: I don't accept that the solution to this is to move to another product. We have spent a hell of a lot of blood, sweat tears over the years while trying to turn out a living with this product. That is exactly it !! Perhaps we should

[PEDA] : ATS - Pigs can fly !

2001-11-02 Thread Elektronik-Service
Don, I also agree to you. Changing to another product will not solve the problem. We invested a lot of time in "debugging" Protel 3.X. 98, 99 and 99SE. Protel every time was encouraged to solve the problem in the new product releases. So we must "educate" the new company holders to follow the

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY

2001-11-02 Thread tech
I have seen it happen a dozen times... Company X offers goods and or services for $$ and has % of marketplace Company X tries to increase its profit per good or service by adding value added service (VAD)! Customers of Company X claim $$ + VAD is too much despite quality of good or

Re: [PEDA] ATS - my last comment

2001-11-02 Thread Mike Reagan
My last comment on ATS.. it was inevitable. Protel bought Accel, a product I hated and previously labeled Bitmapped Crayola. Both PADS and Accel marketed their products a la carteAccel was not complete unless you purchased the forth wheel as Dave White commented. A forth wheel,

Re: [PEDA] PCB Component Placement

2001-11-02 Thread Mike Reagan
I don't know what I've done, but before I used to be able to select a component, from a PCB library, and place as many as I liked (unless I was dreaming!!!), but now I can only place one component at a time, having to click the place command every time. What have I changed ? Steve

Re: [PEDA] PCB Component Placement

2001-11-02 Thread Brad Marshall
This is a feature I haven't been able to use since I got 99SE. I have been looking and looking and still can't find how to get that back. If you find a way let me know. Thanks, Brad Stephen Smith wrote: I don't know what I've done, but before I used to be able to select a component, from a

Re: [PEDA] PCB Component Placement

2001-11-02 Thread Brian Guralnick
Almost, or partially lost. After placing the component, just hit enter, place, then enter. Don't worry, the designator will still automatically increase it's number. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Mike Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] ATS - News

2001-11-02 Thread Nick Piccinich
A coworker contacted Altium about a month ago for budgeting purposes to find out the maintaince cost for PCAD 2000 (full version) and the expected upgrade cost of Protel 99SE. The sales person respond with US$1995 for both. Maybe somebody wants to call Altium to verify? Nick -Original

Re: [PEDA] ATS

2001-11-02 Thread Coleman, Tim
Just a small point Bill, to pick up on something you mentioned. America isn't the only country to use Protel, or any of the other CADs tools you mention. In fact quite a few other countries even design electronics! So in fact the effects of CAD prices, like Protel, effect everyone all over the

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:59 AM 11/2/01 +1200, Steve Baldwin wrote: My understanding is that the dividend doesn't exist in the US. You buy stock at the current price and only make a gain when you sell it at (hopefully) a higher price. No. We are getting pretty far outside the list subject; initially the relevance

Re: [PEDA] ATS - More ranting

2001-11-02 Thread Jason Morgan
All, I'd like to point out that (in my opinion ) Protel's 'tech' support is not worth it. [Rave switch on] In the UK (Yes, Premier I know you are listening... you let the cat out the other day) their support could be described as desktop support, similar to that offered by PC reseller to new

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:27 AM 11/2/01 +1100, John Haddy wrote: 8c dividend on a share price of $4.35 = about a 2% return on your investment (assuming no growth). At this rate I'd be wanting to see at least 3% growth per annum (for a 5% net return). Expected net return on a stock includes the expected capital

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:38 PM 11/1/01 -0800, Daniel Webster wrote: This smug statement cuts like a knife into the little guy trying to make a living for himself as a pcb design contractor. Mike, I think your imagination needs to be expanded some ! While I agree, basically, with most of Mr. Webster's post, the

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY

2001-11-02 Thread Tony Karavidas
Or sell them short. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:32 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antwort: ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY Don Ingram wrote: I don't accept that the solution to this is to move

Re: [PEDA] Antwort: ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY

2001-11-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:31 AM 11/2/01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is exactly it !! Perhaps we should all buy some Altium shares and show up at their general meeting of shareholders. :-) More practically, those users who hold a share or more could give their proxies to a user-elected representative who

Re: [PEDA] ATS - More ranting

2001-11-02 Thread Marshall Edge
I agree with you. I am a user of CAD software that requires maintenance programs that I haven't bothered with, (despite their regular attempts) as I don't feel that the price warrants the benefit. However I still use the version that I have because it still performs the functions that I need.

[PEDA] Pcb jobs

2001-11-02 Thread Bob Fearon
Hi Just got the word, I have been set adrift again. ( enemployed) If any one knows of a warm place, that needs a body, please notify. Thanks Bob Fearon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message:

Re: [PEDA] Altium changes.

2001-11-02 Thread Steve Baldwin
At 11:59 AM 11/2/01 +1200, Steve Baldwin wrote: My understanding is that the dividend doesn't exist in the US. You buy stock at the current price and only make a gain when you sell it at (hopefully) a higher price. No. We are getting pretty far outside the list subject; initially the