You wrote on 06.12.2001 06:36:49:
Altium tech support is nearly irrelevant
right now, since this forum is extremely helpful. The last time I used
Protel support was in 1996, when I first started using the program. I
haven't needed it since. I am quite sure that I would still need it if
I think you're seeing an issue I brought up to Simon (the founder of
camtastic) back before he was bought by Protel.
What happened to me was the fills on my PCB were coming in with x's from
corner to corner. I found out that it was turning my fills into components
(camtastic has this feature
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:06:03 +1000, Matthew van de Werken wrote:
I'm the exact opposite of this. I try to make each schematic part look like
its function, rather than its physical layout. That way, the schematic will
be a proper abstraction of the circuit, rather than a rough draft of the
PCB.
It's already been done in a big way!
Check out http://www.archive.org/ a lot all of the web is archived going
back to 1996.
I just looked and Protel's various sites are archived back to December 1996
including the PDF manuals.
Paul
Maybe someone on this list should archive Protel's website
Terry,
Just could not stop myself from answering this post.
If you ask 10 engineers about how they would like to see power pins on a
schematic
or not (especially now that we are dealing with 5/3 volt parts) and you WILL
get 10 different
answers. I am a PCB designer who does not believe the
Thanks for the link. The only problem I see with this archive website is
that it has too visible a presence. If Altium told them to get rid of any
copyrighted materials with a Protel copyright, they would have to do so or
face legal wrangling. And I wonder if they have the service packs. Even
Sorry to reply to my own post, but I am just emphasizing the need to
independently archive the Protel service packs. As a test, I just tried to
fetch them from the archive site http://www.archive.org/ and got Protel's
on-screen form you fill out to get download priviledges. I knew it wouldn't
Thanks Leonard,
I had searched the manual and Help as much as I could. They didn't
have a section on annoying little highlighting X's and truncated
filenames. Just kidding, it was an issue of where do you look for something
like that though.
Don't know his real name but [EMAIL
Kathy,
You said the magic words FREE BSD! My eyes just opened up wide. I
have 3 Free BSD servers up and running at home, and 2 at work. Do you use
FREE BSD with any CAD packages for EE and if so which/what???
Thanks,
R. Gordon Price
Director of Research Engineering
Loronix Information
Question either for Brad or others - when you got your free CAMtastic with Protel 99SE
did it come with a printed manual? All I got was a CD, and I didn't find a manual on
the CD either, I found it via a Google search.
I did not get CAMtastic automatically, I had to request it from Protel so
At 10:58 PM 12/5/2001 -0500, Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote:
Actually, indefinite support is, in my experience, the exception rather
than the rule. We are all using one of the Microsoft operating systems. As
I recall, free support for that is limited to a few months from first
contact. My wife's
No manual was sent with the Camtastic CD.
At the time most of us received our CD
the manual on the website was not even
for the current version.
Steve Smith
Product Engineer
Staco Energy Products Co.
Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com
-Original Message-
From: Leonard Fischer
Leonard,
I never got the paper manual either but found it on the website in
PDF form after technical support told me to download it one other time. We
did get our Camtastic automatically in the mass mailing so I assume that
nobody got a printed manual. That would be par for the course in
Ivan,
by the same reasoning that you have brought to light, any of us
lowly users archiving and then distributing copyrighted material would
surely be under the same threat. It would have to be done offline of the
users forum so that big brother could not interfere or know who might be
There is a manual on the camtastic website as of 12/6/01
Dave Adams
Safco Corporation
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From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:23 PM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Printed Camtastic manual - did you get one?
No
Scott, and Brad,
This URL has many interesting articles by Lee Ritchey, including the one your
mentioned.
Physics Technician
Faculty of Health Sciences
CPIT
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:09:49 -0500, Robert M. Wolfe wrote:
engineers do not take in the bigger picture when looking at a problem, which
should include the entire group on the food chain of data to the final product.
But I am looking at the bigger picture - the issue is not what information
the
Greetings all,
This email is to let you know we have just released a new version of our
AutoCAD 3D Modeler.
New features include:
Bi-directional operation
User definable 3D Part outline
Remote operation - AutoCAD no longer needed on the Protel PC (but is still
need on the network)
You
I have just downloaded SP3 for EDA98 from the archive but there was no
onscreen form to fill out. Try protel.com.au instead of protel .com.
I used the Jan 2000 archive
Ian Capps
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I agree. My only concern may be how you attach the twisted pair from PCB to PCB.
Will there be a consistency issue from each unit manufactured to the next?
Brian Guralnick
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One problem with a power table is that it's only comments -- it's not
used to generate the netlist. It's quite possible a designer could change
the power connection for the symbol but forget to update the table, or
vice-versa. Or even change the symbol in the library, and the table, but
somehow
Hi Gordon,
I have yet to set a desktop machine up with X, (looking for a new HDD and
machine lol, as protel has forced me to remain with win 2k on my current
machine) I will try over Christmas to give the ports in the cad area a run
:o)
Regards,
Kat.
I have just downloaded SP3 for EDA98 from the archive but there was no
onscreen form to fill out. Try protel.com.au instead of protel .com.
I used the Jan 2000 archive
Ian Capps
Maybe Altium really don't still have a copy of SP3 for EDA98, or SP1 for
EDA3, but I for one would be surprised
I have just downloaded SP3 for EDA98 from the archive but there was no
onscreen form to fill out. Try protel.com.au instead of protel .com.
I used the Jan 2000 archive
Ian Capps
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From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Frank wrote:
...Very, very few companies make you pay for service packs,
although I really have no idea what the CAD industry does in this
department. Your above mentioned company sure doesn't. Imagine the
backlash if they did!
I don't have a problem paying for support, I dont
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:22:34 -0800, Dwight wrote:
PERSONALLY, I don't find a couple extra pins per IC that cluttering.
But what about gates, what does a nand SR latch look like with power pins?
Or big chips which might have 40 power pins?
I also
find it easier to have the power net listed
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:42:16 +1200, Steve wrote:
I haven't seen it mentioned here (I may have skipped over it) but
those of you who are multi-talented may be interested in the
special offer on the Protel website.
It applies to ATS holders _and_ current P99SE owners. Sign up
and get a free
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:22:34 -0800, Dwight wrote:
PERSONALLY, I don't find a couple extra pins per IC that cluttering.
But what about gates, what does a nand SR latch look like with power pins?
Or big chips which might have 40 power pins?
I also
find it easier to have the power net listed
You and me both. The Keil tools could start another deep thread on quality
and support... :(
Tony
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From: Terry Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:26 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Guess I will just
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