Re: [PEDA] Protel / MSoft

2002-06-08 Thread Mike Reagan
Brad, Cadence and formally Pads are charging me 15 %. If you skip the maintenance and wait for the special deals that are offered you can sometimes skirt around these rates. Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA

Re: [PEDA] Protel / MSoft

2002-06-08 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 03:12 PM 6/7/2002 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: Not to argue with you Abd ul-Rahman but Protel customer service has specifically stated to me, a couple of times, with complete sincerity that common CAD maintenance programs are typically 20% - 25% in the industry. Cadence has been 15% for a long

Re: [PEDA] Room Properties (Colors?)

2002-06-08 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 05:26 PM 6/7/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just begun exploring the use of the Rooms feature, which is tailor-made for a current board. I notice that the crosshatching which indicates a room sometimes changes color, from a dark yellow to a dark red. This is an on-line DRC

Re: [PEDA] unused QFP pins

2002-06-08 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 06:13 PM 6/7/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: i've got a 144 pin PQFP 0.5mm pitch there are only a small number of connected pins, maybe a dozen or so excluding power i am thinking about deleting a lot of unused pads to possibly open up top side routes and reduce inspection and bridging

Re: [PEDA] help, how do i make rectangular holes in components and on the pcb itself?

2002-06-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
boy that's a great point pat i do them on doubles a lot but might have blown it on multi if it ever came up of course a board shop would never let that get out would they ? :) Dennis Saputelli Pat Lyons wrote: On Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:29:42 -0400, Ken Henrich wrote: Hi I want to make

Re: [PEDA] Protel / MSoft

2002-06-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i have solidworks cost was $3995 USD annual maintenance (more or less required) is $1500 when i say more or less required as i recall i got some discount on the 3995 but they wouldn't give it without the maintenance Orcad Capture was about $1200 or $1500, i can't remember exactly they offered

Re: [PEDA] silver through hole specs

2002-06-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
in a small effort to repay some the great help i have gotten here following is some info i have gathered re silver through hole: silver via pitch 1.5mm silver via hole size 0.45mm (0.5 recommended) silver via land 1.05mm (don't make vias 0.6mm hole, the goop is costly) lines 0.15mm line

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Protel / MSoft

2002-06-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
dream on Phil as a broker would say past performance is no guarantee of future performance .. with that caveat stated let us recall the history of Protel every so many years (4 or 5 ?) they start all over the first releases of the new one are totally screwed they fix it, they fix it, they do a

Re: [PEDA] unused QFP pins

2002-06-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
this is being driven (and may possibly be worth the trouble) because the customer really really (did i say really?) wants a single side board they saw someone else who did it single sided (not skipping pads but accomplished a single side board in a comparable application - although it was a

Re: [PEDA] help, how do i make rectangular holes in components and on the pcb itself?

2002-06-08 Thread Ian Wilson
On 01:58 PM 8/06/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli said: boy that's a great point pat i do them on doubles a lot but might have blown it on multi if it ever came up of course a board shop would never let that get out would they ? :) Wanna bet? On an early board I did (years ago) I forgot to pull

Re: [PEDA] unused QFP pins

2002-06-08 Thread Matt Pobursky
On Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:51:55 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: BTW, i think i am pretty good at IMHO AFAIK etc. etc. but what the fk is TANSTAAFL ? i must have missed that one in BBS school IIRC... TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch ;-) Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance