Re: [PEDA] Creating custom design rules?

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:06 PM 4/10/01 -0600, Gladieux, Jed wrote: Does anyone know how to create new design rules. For example, I would like to flag instances where component outlines on the silkscreen layers overlap. [using Protel 98] Component interference rules did not exist in Protel 98. They've been added

Re: [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:18 AM 4/17/01 -0700, Brooks,Bill wrote: I have a schematic that was edited by another user here that looks fine on his machine... but when I pull it up the ports all change in length and are not connected properly. Anyone seen this effect? Maybe I have some setting that's wrong? or he

Re: [PEDA] Print preview problem

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:58 PM 4/18/01 -0600, Carlos Claveria wrote: Hi everyone, I have a board design complete and I have been trying to generate print previews. Protel crashes every time I insert the bottom layer to my bottom layer printout. I don't have an answer as to why this might be occurring, but I can

Re: [PEDA] Schematic Report

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:54 AM 4/18/01 +0200, Juergen Paape wrote: Hello User, who can tell me , how I can get the * component count * pin count * net count report from a (hirarchical) sheet (Protel99SE (SP6))? For me as a member of a design service company is it important to know this for my calculation. Here

Re: [PEDA] cutting a hole in the soldermask

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:35 PM 4/25/01 -0400, Ken Henrich wrote: I've been unsuccessful in pulling the solder mask back around mounting holes to let the ground plane through. My method was to place a keep out circle around the hole on the solder mask layer and generate the ground plane. What did I do wrong?

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:10 PM 4/27/01 +0100, Terry Harris wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:55:37 -0400, you wrote: Bottom line, the format is a netlist as we understand a net list plus the physical location and dimensions of the pads. I hope it isn't that simple - testers, particularly roving probe testers only

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:26 PM 4/28/01 +0100, Terry Harris wrote: [in response to:] Not if it is pulled directly from the database. The Gerbers can be wrong for many reasons. And why can't D-356 files be wrong? Gerbers come from the database too. Obviously any data translation has a possibility of being

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFG circuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:07 PM 4/27/01 +1000, Geoff Harland wrote: The following URL provides some information on the IPC-D-356 format (though this is not necessarily the last word on this): http://www.aceeng.com/ipc-356.html Thanks to Mr. Harland Bottom line, the format is a netlist as we understand a net

Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:01 PM 5/1/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: Has everyone received the price increase flyer from Protel? I wonder how expensive our next 'upgrade' will be? I haven't. So how about sharing the information, Mr. Karavidas? Without that information, I'm going to guess that the next upgrade will

Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:50 PM 5/1/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: Yeah I guess thas WAS kind of a teaser. The tools are going up $2000 starting in July (so it becomes.. what, $8000?). Don't exaggerate. It would be $7995. :-) In that case, it would not be surprising to see the upgrade price be $1995. That would

Re: [PEDA] Crash While Netlisting AND Bug Reporting

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:18 AM 5/1/01 -0600, Gordon Price wrote: I am on a mission to get PROTEL awareness of these nasty bugs! No luck yet! It shouldn't be that difficult. They do read this list, we know, and they pay great attention to it. But to be more specific, if one has found a bug -- and anything that

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:41 PM 5/1/01 -0700, Jim Mcgrath wrote: This was regarding my reply about Ecam. Mr. Lomax apparently did not read it thoroughly. Actually, I did read it; it was ambiguous on the point under discussion. However, Mr. McGrath had written another post in which he explicitly acknowledged the

Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:38 PM 5/1/01 -0600, Jim Muehlberg wrote: According to Rick Wilson, Manager of Corporate Services, from whom I just received training at a seminar, the upgrade price will be $795 to $995. Let's hope he's right. That would be very reasonable, and in line with previous upgrades. Of course,

Re: [PEDA] Tango Pcb Plus

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:09 AM 5/1/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: [...]save the tango files in ASCII format, open them in Protel 2.8, save them in Protel, then you can open it in Protel 98 or 99. Last time I asked, Protel supplies a copy of Advanced PCB 2.8 to any licensee for a subsequent PCB version. If you

Re: [PEDA] Protel Problems

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:19 PM 5/2/01 +0100, Jason Morgan wrote: [...] Opening a document reported that the access record is in use, crashing the machine. Any other machine opening the same sheet now crashes with the same error. Shall we assume that there has been an attempt to repair the database with the repair

Re: [PEDA] Export an IPC-D-356 format Netlist for PWB MFGcircuittesting

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:51 PM 5/2/01 +1000, Linden Doyle wrote: My apologies if this reply appears ignorant - I have not been following this thread as it has no immediate relevance. On the contrary, Mr. Doyle has scooped us. No one else writing in this thread seemed to be aware of the Protel IPC-D-356

Re: [PEDA] BGA Design

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:02 PM 5/4/01 -0500, Ted Tontis wrote: What about [...] the recent partnership with P-CAD 2001 [] Actually, if you go to buy a Protel license now, in the U.S. you order it from Accel Technologies. That's full circle from a dozen years ago. (It's not a partnership, Protel now

Re: [PEDA] protel meeting at pcb west

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:03 AM 3/26/01 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: well i must have got wires crossed, cuz i went to the lafayette room at 7:30 thursday evening 7:30 Thursday morning Yes, I know, kind of hard to believe oh well... disappointed i didn't get to meet some of you, though. Me too.

Re: [PEDA] Protel Support Came Thru ... Hooray!!

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
with a lifetime license. i.e., lifetime upgrades. A highly-placed Protel employee actually once told me you should not have to pay another penny for the rest of your life. I take that as an enthusiastic thank you, not as a contract Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design

[PEDA] Optimum Routing inside radius, was: Rectangle holes

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Okay, so now my question: I used to frequently specify 65 mil max radius for inside corners, imagining that this would allow the fabricator to use a 125 mil diameter router bit. Now, generally, these corners were, in fact, not very critical. What router bits would be standard and what would

Re: [PEDA] BGA Design

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:53 AM 5/7/01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Lomax, that would be good news, but is there any chance in getting this a little more precise? That's up to Protel. For all I know they could be upset that someone spilled the beans. Or they could be glad that a little information is

[PEDA] List archive operational

2001-05-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
A publicly accessible archive has been established for this list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users-PEDA-Archive/messages Generally, this archive does not show user e-mail addresses unless they are in the body of the message. Archiving on yahoogroups began yesterday; we will be

Re: [PEDA] Origin anomaly

2001-07-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:51 PM 7/6/01 -02-30, Fabian Hartery wrote: I do know if it is unique to my installation, but the relative origin for the placement of power ties and grounds seems to change almost at random. What I mean by this is, the zero (mouse) location for the power tie changes and I have to recenter

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Legend does not work !!!!! Protel Support does not solve this problem

2001-07-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:52 PM 7/6/01 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: my god, i never saw the Layer Stackup Legend menu item on the Tools Menu It seems to me that I remember seeing it. But it is not there now in my installation of 99SE SP6. I'm going to go search the Knowledge Base. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Legend

2001-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:51 AM 7/9/01 -0500, Frank Gilley wrote: Wow, I never knew that hidden Tab box was in the layer stackup legend. That feature has suddenly become useful ! Who would have guessed that it was only available after selecting the first corner? How is it that we are supposed to just know about

Re: [PEDA] Matched Net Length Rule

2001-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:19 PM 7/9/01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, in the definition of the rule for Matched Net Length there is an item called gap. Does anyone know what this is supposed to be and how to alter it? In the respective properties window there is no such item.

Re: [PEDA] Select Copy Bug?

2001-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:33 PM 7/9/01 +0200, Joop Reekers wrote: Yes, this way they are properly copied and pasted. I only need the resulting tracks of the polygons to build a simple cluster. Thanks for the tip (or workaround)! If you only need the resulting tracks, you could also explode the polygon, which

Re: [PEDA] Library problem

2001-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:19 AM 7/9/01 -0400, you wrote: I wonder if it's possible after creating a lot of duplicates, you could export all the copied parts fields into a spread sheet, in the spread sheet, import past over the fields from you supply data base directly into Protel's spread sheet and make

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
-- a $50 credit toward publications, *and* you get the publications at the member prices. The sizes of FR-4 material marked in the chart as low cost are, in mm.: 0.07 0.11 0.13 0.18 0.26 0.32 0.37 0.43 0.53 0.61 0.64 0.74 1.52 is not given the lowest cost value, but it is very available. Abd ul

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:21 AM 7/9/01 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: Mark, I read your comments and went to my IPC-. I am no IPC expert by any stretch but aren't the tables you specify (4-2 ... 4-6) only for copper clad laminates, where are the prepregs? Or is this a typical IPC f***up and they have

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
First of all, none of what I have written was intended as a personal attack, you stupid idiots! ***JOKE!!!*** No one writing here is stupid, though sometimes some of us could use a little coffee. At 05:41 PM 7/9/01 -0400, Michael Reagan wrote: Abdul and Brad, If your design is critical to a

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:55 PM 7/9/01 -0400, Mike Reagan wrote: I would like to correct you about the discount IPC offers. The coupon they issue to the designers council members is not redeemable, you must be an IPC member not a member of the designers council. They must have started this policy this year

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:22 AM 7/10/01 -0400, Mike Reagan wrote: I know what the website says, I also know what my hard earned money says... I just purchased manuals about 2 months ago and had to pay full price.Read my last post again , The IPC will not accept your coupon unless you are full member of the

Re: [PEDA] FYI Protel's response to my printing problem

2001-07-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:18 AM 7/11/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: Here's one for that support person: I recommend you find another way to get a paycheck. Ok, sillyness aside, that was a stupid answer on their part. They could have said can you temporarily try another printer to see if the problem goes away?

Re: [PEDA] Board Supplier

2001-07-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:31 PM 7/11/01 +, Joe Morris wrote: I have a requirement for a very long board ( 1m) but am having difficulty finding anyone capable of producing this size of board. It would seem that 600mm is the normal max. If anyone in the group knows of any specialist PCB houses that could help me

Re: [PEDA] (re)Annotation weirdness when using suffix

2001-07-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:43 PM 7/11/01 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: Does sound like a bug - I will await other comments before adding it to the bug database. I suppose someone will try to call it a feature... It's not a bug, in my opinion, but neither is it a feature. The lack of a facility is almost never a

Re: [PEDA] (re)Annotation weirdness when using suffix

2001-07-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:21 AM 7/12/01 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: {I wrote:] It's not a bug, in my opinion, but neither is it a feature. The lack of a facility is almost never a feature. Perhaps I missed something, but if I did not: Your right - you did miss something. Look at the advanced options for Sch

Re: [PEDA] Library problem, global search replace.

2001-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:04 PM 7/12/01 -0400, Brian Guralnick wrote: Actually, there might be a dirty way to do almost exactly what you want. Brian's dirty way, I think this should work, haven't tried it yet. I did try it before writing my post on this subject, and I gave the results: Another path, through the

Re: [PEDA] Thermal Reliefs to Internal Planes

2001-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:18 PM 7/12/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just ran the full DRC and it's a bit worked up. I'm not sure I understand what it's trying to tell me. Violation Net NetR100_2 Warning - Connection to overlapping split planes I think this means that R100 is placed over two

Re: [PEDA] Trace jumpers generate DRC violations

2001-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:03 PM 7/12/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Protel is doing its job. I'm looking for a better way to do my job. Yes. Some designers would just suffer through, perhaps cursing the program because it is limited in certain ways. But it is not as limited as it might seem, so the small

Re: [PEDA] (re)Annotation weirdness when using suffix

2001-07-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:17 PM 7/12/01 +0100, Steve Wiseman wrote: Hmm. If you use numeric allocation offset (start this sheet at 100, etc), the annotator gets it completely right - no allocation re-use. This is a straightforward, easy to understand, bug. We've all done similar. Actually, it does not get it

Re: [PEDA] (re)Annotation weirdness when using suffix

2001-07-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:30 AM 7/13/01 -0700, John Williams wrote: Take a look at the (freeware) server called Reference Designator Modifier on the downloads page of: http://www.qualecad.com/ It can add arbitrary suffixes and/or increment reference designators of user selected schematic and PCB components.

Re: [PEDA] (re)Annotation weirdness when using suffix

2001-07-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:27 AM 7/13/01 +0100, Steve Wiseman wrote: [some response which was rooted in a misunderstanding of the full meanings of my statements. It appears that we both agree on how the program actually works and any differences were only semantic. It is moot who said it the most correctly.] If

[PEDA] Connecting grounds / virtual short

2001-07-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Because the question frequently arises of how to connect two or more grounds while maintain DRC and the separation of the grounds except at a single point, and because the instructions as to how to do this can be misinterpreted, I have uploaded to the protel-user filespace a PCB file with two

Re: [PEDA] synchronizer question

2001-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:05 PM 7/17/01 -0400, Darryl Newberry wrote: Given that: a) I have a new PCB with final placement of footprints whose ref designators I wish to retain, b) some footprints specified in the schematic are not in the PCB but are in a project library local to the DDB, c) the PCB contains some

Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel

2001-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:36 AM 7/17/01 -0700, Konrad Iten wrote: In the Client99SE.ini under system preferences is a line called DisplaySplashScreen=True. Just change true to false and there will be no splash screen anymore. I too had been afflicted by this annoying little bug and had not noticed the conditions

Re: [PEDA] Complex Selection

2001-07-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:07 AM 7/18/01 +0200, Edi Im Hof wrote: Place a pad (on grid) outside of your set of components and select it also. Then this pad will be on one of the four corners of the movin box and you can use it sa an on grid anchor. The problem the user was having is probably related to a bug that

Re: [PEDA] next rev of PCB and Schematics

2001-07-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Hey, folks, please delete the extra stuff at the bottom of your message when you reply! At 05:03 PM 7/18/01 -0400, Jeff Adolphs wrote: Thank You! When I tried moving the files to a new directory the .ddb file did not recognise the new file names. I deleted the .ddb file, tried to open the .prj

Re: [PEDA] windows file system VS data base format

2001-07-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:07 PM 7/19/01 -0500, Frank Gilley wrote: I have had a few DDBs get corrupted, and there really isn't any fix for them that I know of. Be prepared to lose every file in the DDB, although you usually won't. Please don't depend on the the Fix Database option- it usually doesn't help

Re: [PEDA] windows file system VS data base format

2001-07-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:06 PM 7/19/01 -0400, Jeff Adolphs wrote: Do you have any problems with Data Base Files crashing? I was thinking maybe the reason I had a data base corrupt was because I was using the Windows File System. I want to use which ever is more stable. It is not clear to me that either system is

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:50 PM 7/23/01 -0500, Ted Tontis wrote: Would there be any interest in a PCB footprint lib. with all the parts you would ever need for free. I ask this because I am working on trying to get a large lib. in Protel. It would have the silk screen, a fence that would be on the last electrical

Re: [PEDA] windows file system VS data base format

2001-07-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:25 PM 7/23/01 -0500, Frank Gilley wrote: I do an autobackup every 15 minutes. That means that if the database were corrupted, all I would lose would be fifteen minutes of work. There are *also* backups made every time a file is overwritten. So save often. But I haven't lost a file since

Re: [PEDA] Backup (Was : windows file system VS data base format)

2001-07-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:22 PM 7/23/01 +0200, Edi Im Hof wrote: At 14:25 23.07.01 -0500, you wrote: snip 5. Every 15 minutes, the BKx files are progressively overwritten with a corrupt file. Go have some lunch or something and they are all corrupted, depending on your settings. Protel is, as far as I know,

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-24 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:03 PM 7/25/01 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking just the semiconductor footprints, thats 1067 footprints that will be bundled into the super library that someone will be remaking. Or will these footprints just be copied from the existing Protel libraries? If these seperate

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:29 AM 7/25/01 -0500, Ted Tontis wrote: As designers we sometimes have to make the impossible happen, and we do make it happen. So why then all the negative remarks? All I know is that if you want to accomplish something valuable, get used to it. It is *much* easier to sit back

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:11 PM 7/25/01 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: As far as verification of parts goes, I oppose any bureaucratization that would hinder or slow down the footprint distribution process. This sounds like more total quality management business school bullsh*t. The buyer beware - free

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:07 PM 7/25/01 -0400, Andrew J Jenkins wrote: The problem, as I see it, with traffic in multiple locations is that it's end result is fragmentation of the group and Meeting in committee is hardly fragmentation. The records of the committee are open to the public and will remain so, and

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:06 PM 7/26/01 -0400, chris mackensen wrote: because cadence's files are all OPEN and TEXT based and NOT ENCAPSULATED in a DATABASE (and NOT BINARY), it was a matter of my perl script just parsing Excel sheets of pin data (automatically saved as text files over the web) and generating the

Re: [PEDA] Test point tenting on side opposite TP

2001-07-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:29 PM 7/27/01 -0700, Schattke, Carl wrote: I have test points on both sides due to the high density of the product. I am using vias for test points in some locations, so if I give them a negative expansion then I will be covering my testpoints with mask. Making parts for each

Re: [PEDA] opening Orcad DSN into Protel 99SE

2001-07-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:16 PM 7/27/01 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: I am trying to open an Orcad DSN file into Protel 99SE with no success. The message I get is: Error reading Orcad Cache! Try to Cleanup Cache first! Any idea what that means and how to work around it? Or is this another Protel

Re: [PEDA] Spam trawlers in this group

2001-08-28 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I find this discussion rather weird. Here's why: UCE, unsolicited commercial e-mail, is considered particularly offensive when it is not targeted, such as a mailing to a million addresses with Need to make money fast? I think we all would agree that this is *spam*. It wastes a small amount of

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:40 PM 9/3/01 +1000, Don Ingram wrote: Just got PCB Fab Magazine noticed that they are running 10 micron wide traces. Better make the virtual shorts way less than the customary 1mil The customary gap for virtual shorts based on unfabricatable gaps is on the order of 4 micro-inches, which

Re: [PEDA] the letter i in gerber, was 2 P99 quirks

2001-09-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Indeed, with the default font, the dot on the i is missing in gerber. It also disappears in draft display mode. I looked directly at the gerber file; there is no attempt to draw the dot. It is not a case of a zero-length draw. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA

Re: [PEDA] Gerber clearance violations not found by Protel DRC

2001-09-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
/Measure Distance, you may need to be on a fine grid. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES PCB design, consulting, and training Protel EDA license resales Easthampton, Massachusetts, USA (413) 282-0013, efax (419) 730-4777 [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] Creating/implementing IC socket PCB decals

2001-09-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:56 AM 9/5/01 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: Abd ul-Rahman, I agree with your comment that it can be depressing when you are told not to do something rather than how...but... I agree completely with: We take the view that any socketed items are actually part of a higher level assembly than

Re: [PEDA] Problems when pouring polygons

2001-09-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:56 AM 9/5/01 +0200, Florian Finsterbusch wrote: On our multilayer board the top and bottom layer should be connected to GND. For that purpose we have placed polygons on both layers. The polygons are connected to the GND net. The pads should be surrounded by arcs. Grid Size = 0.2 mm, Track

Re: [PEDA] Diode pads

2001-09-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:23 PM 9/5/01 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: With your method, which works just fine, I find that having EBC, GDS or AK on the schematic is just too stupid and redundant. Who needs it? Well, EBC etc. is explicit, whereas 1,2,3, etc. depend on additional context. If you have to work

Re: [PEDA] Not routing nets and poly pours...and maybe a bug for the bug list?

2001-09-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:23 PM 9/5/01 -0400, Phillip Stevens wrote: How does one specify a Net not be routed, but still be checked for in the ERC? I have a pretty simple 2 layer board. 2 X 2.7 with a few parts on it. I'm using P99SE SP6 on Win98 What I wanted to do was to route all the signal lines first and

Re: [PEDA] Bug List - better implementation desired

2001-09-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:10 AM 9/6/01 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: I am searching (part time) for a better method of maintaining the bug list. I am thinking something along the lines of the Bugzilla project as used by the Mozilla people (http://www.mozilla.org/bugs/). Or something similar. What I would like is:

[PEDA] PCB Design Conference East

2001-09-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I'm just letting the list know that I'll be at the Protel Users meeting sponsored by Altium at the conference next week. See you there! Abd ulRahman Lomax Chair, Protel Users Association * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *

Re: [PEDA] test

2001-09-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:48 PM 9/6/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, this one got out to me. But I just got one of the bounce messages that I've seen from several users today. It seems TechServ has a problem at their end. Sure would hate to get unsubscribed - this list has been a lifeline at times. Since

Re: [PEDA] Diode pads

2001-09-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:09 AM 9/7/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else have this problem and have you found a work around other than the test Engineer changing the pad designators globally. Changing the pads works, but there is a risk that the file could leak out of his dept and into the released

Re: [PEDA] Diode pads

2001-09-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:54 PM 9/8/01 +0200, Soren Juel Andersen wrote: If you support the EBC, AK system, how many pin does a package need to have before you switch to numbers? I think that was previously answered, but I will answer it again. When there is a standard numbering for a part, one uses numbering.

Re: [PEDA] Diode pads

2001-09-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:53 PM 9/6/01 -0500, Jeff Stout wrote: I really hesitate to follow up this thread because nobody is going to change anybody else's mind. I am not writing to change people's mind, at least not the mind of people who are set in their ways. Rather, I'm writing to examine the issues, and, as

Re: [PEDA] Gerber Question

2001-09-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:55 AM 9/10/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: Does anyone know how to move/remove the credit text from the Camtastic printouts? I tried to use the printouts to check my Gerbers and CAM products 2000(TM): file name is printed right in the middle of my plots. It would be nicer if it were

Re: [PEDA] PEDA message archives

2001-09-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:15 AM 9/13/01 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: 2) Yes, there is an independent Protel Users Association archive on Yahoo groups. I do not know how complete it is or any other specific details about it. You will have to setup an account for yourself and find the Protel groups. A search for the

Re: [PEDA] Hello! It is Mechanical NOT Mechanikal OK!!

2001-09-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:15 PM 9/14/01 -0700, Jeff Lewis wrote: Come on Samuel! Direct your anger where it'll do some good! Misspelled words are just that! ~j Perhaps as a Cadence employee he's taking his frustration out on us! :-) (That's a joke, just as I trust Mr. Cox's comment was intended to be, but he

Re: [PEDA] keep out around op-amp input.

2001-09-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:04 PM 9/14/01 -0700, Mike Ingle wrote: I need to keep several mm clear around an op amp input. On the power planes this is easy, as I just place a fill on the plane, and that removes the copper (I hope). I am also placing a gnd pour on the top and bottom layers. I have found that a fill

Re: [PEDA] fix for no multi-named nets

2001-09-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:18 AM 9/18/01 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: this is just a comment post and not a question. i wrote about a month ago about a problem i was having with not being able to assign multiple names to the same net. although this sounds like an unreasonable, unnecessary, and dubious

Re: [PEDA] Pad with multiple holes surrounding it.

2001-09-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:36 AM 9/18/01 -0700, Afshin Salehi wrote: I have been having a problem trying to create a pad with a .125 hole and .225 pad size. I am trying to place six smaller holes on the pad area of the large hole to create a screw hole with very hood through board connection. I'm puzzled

Re: [PEDA] single pin nets

2001-09-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:36 PM 9/18/01 -0400, Richard Sumner wrote: I tried that, it finds all unconnected pins (which I have a lot of) and did not find a named net with only one connection (just a net name on only one unused pin). The single pin net does appear in the netlist (generated from the pcb), so it

Re: [PEDA] Pad with multiple holes surrounding it.

2001-09-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:22 PM 9/18/01 -0500, Ted Tontis wrote: I believe he is trying to put supporting holes around the top of the PTH. I'd like to know what a supporting hole is, since holes remove physical support. Holes placed for additional ground connection would be likely to make only a negligible

Re: [PEDA] Pad with multiple holes surrounding it.

2001-09-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:12 PM 9/18/01 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: Abd ul-Rahman or others, if I read his description correctly he is trying to do a plated mounting hole with additional vias within the diameter of the larger pad for the plated thru-hole. I am guess that he is trying to make this as a

Re: [PEDA] Pad with multiple holes surrounding it.

2001-09-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:16 PM 9/18/01 -0500, you wrote: if one was to use a hole for mounting the PCB to a fixture, they might put plated through holes around the mounting hole for reinforcement. The extra copper in the vias around the hole would support more pressure in that area. I have never implemented this in

Re: [PEDA] Simple Polygon Question (Maybe)

2001-09-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:10 AM 9/20/01 +1000, Saddle wrote: The problem I seem to have alot is knowing where the edges (boundaries) of an existing polygon are when laying down the next one beside it. This may sound strange, say just lay one over the other, but sometimes protel wants to redraw/recreate the polygons

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:34 PM 9/21/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: I was going to let the group how I made out with the virtual short I was planing on using on my internal planes. After a short discussion We decided not to do it. Our main concern was there was no way to test the PCB to be sure that the nets

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:23 AM 9/25/01 +0200, Edi Im Hof wrote: At 11:47 24.09.01 -0700, you wrote: At 08:21 AM 9/24/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: The issue with the virtual short is that it must be cut to test the two nets. Has somebody tried to make the virtual short not virtual but real? I mean,

Re: [PEDA] Can't use polygons on plane layers?

2001-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:50 AM 9/25/01 -0700, Dwight Harm wrote: I want to have a non-rectangular void on a ground plane, but it appears I can't put a polygon there, only a rectangular fill. When I place a polygon, my plane layers don't show up in the drop-down box for choice of layer. Right. Protel reserves

Re: [PEDA] PCB Library Question

2001-09-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:47 PM 9/28/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only the fact that nets are never assigned in a footprint editor. But the field in the properties window is there with 'No Net' assigned, and the pull down menu works with only that one option. Sure, after all, why write a different pad

Re: [PEDA] PCB Library Question

2001-09-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:38 AM 9/29/01 -0400, Bob Wolfe wrote: Just have a little reservation about converting any free trace to a net it was attached to, so I ran DRC's before running this function. After running the update function, reloading the net list (through the Synchronizer, not the direct Netlist Load)

Re: [PEDA] dragging stuff

2001-10-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 11:07 AM 10/1/01 +0100, Richard Thompson wrote:

Re: [PEDA] PCB Library Question

2001-10-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 01:46 PM 10/1/01 +0100, Richard Thompson wrote: If

Re: [PEDA] pld stuff attention: dave lawson

2001-10-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 09:27 AM 10/1/01 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: i'm not sure

Re: [PEDA] Annular Ring design rule

2001-10-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 03:27 PM 10/1/01 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: However, what I would have

Re: [PEDA] PCB Library Question

2001-10-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 02:02 PM 10/1/01 -0700, Dwight wrote: Yes, the part type is often

Re: [PEDA] BUG.... Error handling BOM generation

2001-10-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 02:50 PM 10/1/01 -0700, Brooks,Bill wrote: the BOM utility doesn't

Re: [PEDA] Possible Gerber generation bug

2001-10-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 01:05 PM 10/2/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: I'm now viewing the

Re: [PEDA] Possible Gerber generation bug

2001-10-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 01:05 PM 10/2/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: When back to PCB

Re: [PEDA] Protel to PADS?

2001-10-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 09:47 AM 10/3/01 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, why do

Re: [PEDA] Global change text

2001-10-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** At 08:21 AM 10/3/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The RSI.com that I

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