Is it just me, or was Protel98 a heck of a lot stabler before they
client-servered and databased and OLE'd everything to death in 99? I
liked
98 a lot, but 99 has been a big step back if you ask me...
It's all part of the trend towards distributed computing. It's a concept
that is a mixed
How about these variations?
Mutila (what a Protel user mutates into trying to work around bugs)
Ultima (oops, that's too close to another product (Ultiboard))
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL
IMO:
Intel Celeron is OK.
Compaq is awful.
I have at home a white box PC with a Celeron 466 - it works great. Runs
W98se and Suse Linux 7.3 dual-boot. I use it for digital photo
editing/printing, audio editing, jukebox, web surfing, and games. Plays
MP3s, 3D games just fine.
I had (note the
Jeff:
I like your description of it better. With yours, I can understand what the
software is for.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Jeff Adolphs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday,
Looking though my old documentation for Autotrax 1.0 I think,
the copyright date is 1988. Before that I was using Protel
PCB as early as the beginning of 1886.
I've been using Protel for decades now but - 1886 - WOW - You are
obviously the most experienced user of all ;-)
Did Charles
Steve, and all:
The sad facts of life w.r.t. software:
1) If software was perfectly useful and bug-free, there would never be any
reason to upgrade it. Once all the seats that could be sold were sold, the
software company would go out of business.
2) Ever since I can remember, each new
When wanting a separator in names, I use the underscore '_'. Will that be a
legal character in this proposal? I hope so.
So Abdul, is your name written:
Abdul-RahmanLomax if upper and lower case is OK, but spaces are not.
ABDULRAHMANLOMAX if only uppercase is OK, and non-alphanumerics are
Almost, but not quite. One problem with allowing case difference is that
it
causes different names, as far as ASCII code is concerned, to have
identical meaning. If case difference is allowed in names, in general, it
will cause a different sort order than if it is not allowed. Yes, one can
Hello, all:
I hope Protel fixes this in future releases.
I hate it when I open up a DDB file just to look at something, and it
changes the file date. IT SHOULD NOT DO THAT!
I use file dates to know when I last worked with that project, and this
SCREWS UP that knowledge.
Best regards,
Ivan
I've got more effective MIPS,
MOPS, TFLOPS, etc. and a better pattern recognizer than a computer.
Don't count on that lasting forever. Moore's law, after all. Sure, switch
density will reach a limit, but then there are three dimensions, and the
problem with AI now is not really computing
Thanks to all the folks who suggested setting the read-only file
attribute. I already knew I could do this, but I usually forget to do it
until after I have opened the file, then it's too late!
Just one more thing I have to keep track of, that I shouldn't have to keep
track of...
Best regards,
If you want to import from the PADS v3.0 (DOS app), you need to import the
PADS .ASC (ASCII) file into Protel v3.X. Then you can save it as a Protel
file and bring it into 99SE or whatever.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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Rob:
From what I can tell, doesn't PV store parts data in Microsoft Access
format? If so, did you guys ever try to run a query to produce inventory
costs that were usable by the accounting dept?
We have considered PV before, but were always hesitant, because we didn't
know if it would improve
Yes, but not in a way that you will find satisfactory in the Schematic
module. Most of the time you will have to delete and redraw the wires in
SCH.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: SHAWN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel
Here's one for all you 99SE gurus.
I am trying to prevent the autorouter from putting vias within the boundary
of a certain footprint. I tried creating a routing clearance rule: 10 mil
min. between Footprint JP1 and Object Kind via. That didn't work - the
autorouter ignored it. How do I set
Sorry, Lloyd, this won't help you because it's just a rant, but:
Has anyone heard of any efforts to adopt a REAL universal information
format? I don't mean phony attempts such EDA frameworks as we've all been
hearing from marketdroids for decades now, but something like XML? I don't
know much
I have about one drive crash, physical crash, per year.
I'm convinced the technology the drives are built on is less reliable
that 10 years ago. It may be that the pressure to deliver makes
these companies deliver too quick.
Interesting. My experience is exactly the opposite. I can't
wrong scale and cost me money, I couldn't blame Altium for poor code.
And what happens when you CAN blame Altium for poor code? Nothing, right?
So what difference does it make who you can blame?
Of course, I you want/have to play the blame game, you could still claim
it's Altium's fault, or
Hello, all:
A customer asked us to design a round (circular) PCB for them. We have
never designed a round PCB before. Any special Protel techniques, tips, or
gotchas we should know about before starting? It is not a high-tech board,
single sided only, TH for wave solder assembly, to be
] round PCB?
I'm trying to imagine a 'round board going through a wave
soldering machine.
Jeff Stout
- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: [PEDA] round PCB?
Hello, all
Hello, all:
I have a double sided PCB about 4 x 4 in. square, supported by mounting
holes, 1 in each corner. I want to pour a polygon ground plane on the top
side. The plane will cover probably about 80% of the board area. There
will be no plane on the bottom side. Am I going to have a
by the financial types. Looks like I'm stuck with P99SEsp6, warts and all,
until that next entrepeneur gets going. Hmmm, my degree is in computer
science (I started out doing mostly programming), and I've now got a lot
of
experience designing PC boards so I also know the user side of things.
OK, you Protel gurus...
What's a room? Yeah, I know, it's what I'm in right now. But seriously,
a room just appeared on my PCB after an update pcb action. I need to
delete it, but I can't select it. How do I get rid of it?
What are rooms for? If they are for placement, can I get the
Does OT mean Off Topic or On Topic ? ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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All right, folks, can this fab drawing stuff be summarized in ONE
comprehensive checklist?
I use Advanced Circuits sometimes too. What I have done for their fab
drawing requirement is:
1) choose graphic symbols for the drill drawing drill sizes
2) use the board wizard to set up dimension
Rene:
Slightly off topic, but you need a morale boost. Maybe some of us on this
list need one too.
Don't drop out of hardware development if you meet all of the following
criteria:
1) You are good at it
2) You really enjoy it
I suspect you meet both criteria. I saw your website and it
it would be most valuable to me to be able to save protel schematics out
as orcad dsn files since they are much more widely used than protel
schematics
Yeah, I have been wondering why that is. Every time I see a reference
design for some chip, the schematics are in Orcad format, which I
it. So, as a result of my ripping off OrCAD schematic, over $15,000
dollars
was spent with them (also bought the PLD package). My advice to Protel -
Make the schematic module non-copy protected, and wait a few years for the
money to come back in!
Yes, and I'm quite sure that if the BSA
Is this a guessing game? Or do you really need to know what that number is
for?
It's too long to be a UPS tracking # or for any other courier I have heard
of.
It's probably an auto-generated case number from some web help desk
software.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:
If it is, my ISP is not complying with it. I just sent myself an e-mail and
it came back with no ID number attached. Must be something
Techserv-specific.
How do we get the terrorists to start using these numbers in their e-mail?
;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:
I hope they didn't use .NET.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Edi Im Hof [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel under VMware and Linux
I wonder if government folks will ever realize that laws like these only
inconvenience the innocent and catch the dumb. The smart evil folks always
find ways to circumvent these kinds of things. What's to stop someone from
encrypting the real message in some non-U.S.-legal encryption, and
some system monitors. Looks like XP eats about 100 meg of memory
without
anything else running. That's real efficient. I dont code but it
should
use about 10K. I was using NT for the past 5 out 6 years, until
last
year when I couldnt bear the installation, network setup, and
Hello, all:
We have had our domain transferred to a new ISP last week, so e-mail has
just begun working normally (I hope!).
Anyway, I want to make a PCB that has a break-off area with extra
circuitry on it. The idea is that some users may not need the extra
circuitry, so they can break off
I don't know for sure how the license manager works, but I think it probably
uses a UDP broadcast over the LAN to discover other copies of the program.
If this is the case, it might be possible to block some UDP ports on your PC
with firewall software. Norton Personal Firewall, perhaps? Each
I cant stress enough here, use Ahead NERO CD writer software. If you ever
install Easy CD Creator from Roxio, formerly made by
Adaptec, I will GAURANTEE mysterious system hangs when occasionally
changing CD, writing CDs, and other weird unexplained
phenomenon. It's not worth the headache!
You, sir, are a certified, bona fide tweaker ;-)
There are 3 computers in this office I absolutely DO NOT mess with:
CADzilla (my workstation), the Linux server, and my assistant's workstation.
Can't risk messing anything up - we've got too much work to do to risk
downtime.
Anything else is
Dave:
I just recently did a design using the TOP245. I don't think they have
simulation models, but they do have a free program called PI-Expert you can
run your TOPswitch design on. I think it's a canned SPICE simulation.
It didn't work for me because I used an exotic topology that wasn't
I would do more simulation if there were more and better models for the
chips I want to use. Also, if the simulator software was easier to use (not
talking about just Protel here).
A lot of the designs I work on are mixed-signal, not strictly analog or
digital. It's not easy to simulate these
I agree with AJ about the merits of twin-CPU machines.
I routinely do other tasks while running something lengthy in Protel (such
as DRC). During DRC (or printing in Acrobat, etc.), if you bring up the CPU
resource monitor in W2K, you can see one CPU is running at near 100%, while
the other is
Straight-A students, indeed...!? Long ago, when I was first introduced to
computer simulation tools, I was forewarned: A fool with a tool is still
a
fool.
True, and when the tool is a computer, the fool has an electrified fooling
machine.
Don't get me wrong, I like SPICE and have used it in
included, or a gross oversimplification, with million amp power supplies
delivering terawatts to improperly connected transistors. SPICE can
I want some of those terawatt transistors! For 6 cents each in quantity.
And I want them in a SOT-23 package! And throw in Florida Power Corp. for
All of us suffer from these same choices - we choose to use the Windows
platform, for whatever reason. It may be the most productive (more work
faster) or it may not - an argument for another day. We accept MS'es
constant upgrade cycle. We accept buggy code. We accept file format
changes
- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] OS bugs WAS: Problems with schematic annotate
function.
What this means for Altium is that they must either continue
See replies below.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] OS bugs WAS: Problems with schematic
you forgot: Buy this new PCB. It has new features...
Oops, I forgot, for readers of THIS forum, that's what a) put the bread on
the table, and b) what fuels all of this upgrade stuff in the first place
(not to mention, what goes into that cell phone, automobile, TV, and
computer, the last
Tony, the companies you SHOULD be avoiding are the ones that produce bloated
code, give you no clue that the code is bloated, and give you no option to
avoid it. I think there may be another reason PowerBasic has the option
to produce bloated code. Imagine this: you are a contract programmer
I also miss the Edit-Change-Swap Pins feature in Protel PCB v2.8.
I used this feature extensively on some boards that had to be hand-routed
and optimized for 2-layer. It was necessary to:
1) draw a preliminary schematic with connector pin assignments unmade
2) bring it into PCB
3) manually
didn't occupy a CD as opposed to a floppy. If what you say is true in some
sectors, then I think it is absurd and anyone hiring based on code size
and
not functionality is an idiot.
In every field I can think of, there are large numbers of people who affect
the direction of the field without
I have noticed that OpenOffice 1.0 (Windows version) will sometimes crash
when opening a Word document if you do it by double-clicking on the filename
in Windows Explorer. But, if you open the Word document from the File-Open
dialog it works OK.
Could be a file association problem?
If you feel
Actually, I use Acrobat 3.0 for printing to PDF files, and have both 3.0 and
5.0 installed for reading PDF files. The reason I still use 3.0 for
printing is that I want to be sure the files I produce are readable by
others who might have only 3.0 Reader. Before I upgraded to 5.0 Reader, I
hated
You guys are compleat vidiots! ;-)
What happens when you run a LCD screen at something other than it's pixel
resolution? I have seen quite a few laptop screens that don't look good
when running at lower resolutions than pixel-res.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:
dongles, are not XP compatible etc. Also some missing ports
(replaced by usb only) are a problem for me .
Matt Tudor , MSEE
http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com
- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday
You mean a software license, right?
A seat is something you sit on ;-)
I suppose you want your seat to run on a certain platform?
BTW, there is a local computer consulting firm called Geeks 4 Cheap. They
direct-mailed us a postcard ad. The caption: The Dude who sits here
probably doesn't
I have used polygon areas as heat sinks before. These were for resistors
and TO-220 transistors.
I don't recall any temperature problems. I would think the semiconductor
would die before the PCB materials would separate or the solder would melt.
You should consider putting a grid of vias
Evidently I have much better luck with the autorouter than most of you folks
do.
I have used it on boards ranging from 2-sided to 8 layer. I admit that
there are sometimes things it does which baffle me, but I don't get the
design rule violations like was described in the original post. And I
Is this what happens when you write software applications down under
when
everyone at Microsoft in Belview Washington is at home in bed and cannot
answer your technical questions about the software?
Maybe the down under has something to do with it? ;-)
From one episode of the Simpsons, when
And you'd prefer times as MM:SS:HH? ;-) Personally, I'm out to get the
whole
world to adopt ISO-8601, which alows several formats, of which I prefer
-MM-DD. That will sort correctly whether it's alphanumeric, or
whatever.
I didn't say anything about time format. You just assumed.
Is OT
OK, folks, I know metric is better. I was just joking. But seriously, it
is on-topic when you consider that some electronic parts are in metric, and
some in Imperial (U.S. folks call Imperial standard, because it IS our
standard). This unit stuff can cause lots of grief because of imprecision
Protel is missing a bet by not offering a stand-alone full-featured
Mechanical
CAD package based on the 99SE interface. But *Please*, Protel, be sure to
maintain full two-way file conversion with all ACAD File Formats ever
released!
Good idea, but not easy - Autodesk loves to change the
Just guessing, but maybe this mouse morass is Delphi's fault? It may be
true that 99% of other apps don't have this problem, but maybe the 1% that
do are written in Delphi? Sometimes app bugs turn out to be built-in bugs
of the app development system.
Coming to an EDA list near you: Mouse
It is company policy that software licences be reviewed here before
purchase in order to avoid gotchas. snip
That's a good company policy. Incidentally, how did you get a copy of the
EULA for Microsoft products? From Microsoft's website:
And Microsoft did fix the bug in the Intellimouse drivers
before JaMi got
his
machine from Dell! The fix drive just did not ship with the
Dell machines.
Updating the Intellimouse driver to the latest driver has fixed this
bug
on
every machine I know to have exhibited it. I
My father just recently got a purchase requisition for a dual Xeon P4 system
approved for the CAD dept. at the company he works for. His CAD dept. runs
AutoCAD.
He always asks me what is the current thing. I always say, why ask me? My
newest computer is over a year old. I tried to recommend
Or maybe the owner's name is E. (Edward) Nigma ?
(That was the real name of one of Batman's nemeses, the Riddler).
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: mariusrf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Forum members:
I don't know how it's happening, but some of the messages posted to this
list override the default fonts on my e-mail program (Outlook Express). I
suspect that some of us have our e-mail programs set up to format message
text in HTML. While this may look neat to you, I ask that
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-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:54 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] HTML in e-mail == naughty
Forum members:
I don't know how it's happening, but some of the messages posted to this
list
You're welcome, Drew!
I DO have those OE options selected (plain text only, reply in format of
original message unchecked) and OE STILL doesn't obey. That's aggravating.
Maybe it's time for me to switch to Mozilla. I already have at home.
I don't have any use for Chinese character sets
Isn't that about $14,400 USD? If it's full versions, that's a big discount!
Probably much cheaper than buying Protel 99SE (or DXP) and Specctra
separately.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL
The problem is that if Altium moderates the list, they can remove anything
they don't like. I agree with Darryl, open discussion and criticism is very
important. I am amazed at the efforts some companies are taking to squelch
criticism. Not like, by fixing the product, but by other means.
I
Exactly my point. Nothing can beat a PCB designer with 10 years
experience. Computers are simply not smart and not adaptive enough. Most
board tools are programmed by people that have never made a board in
their
life. And layout people wouldn't be caught dead writing programs.
A number of
I wonder if the software can tell, during installation, which version you
actually had and refuse to install if it's not the upgrade jump you paid
for?
IMO, I think it's a shady business practice to charge someone more for an
upgrade just because they skipped a version. That's the same as
to offer a discount, really.
Rene
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
I wonder if the software can tell, during installation, which version
you
actually had and refuse to install if it's not the upgrade jump you
paid
for?
IMO, I think it's a shady business practice to charge someone more
Rene:
1) Charging people the same amount for one big upgrade as all the missed
upgrades
2) Forcing people buy each upgrade even if they don't want it
1 is functionally equivalent to 2. And vice versa.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original
Microsoft can act like a king.
King Gates: General Ballmer, how goes the upgrade campaign?
General Ballmer: Sire, the peasants are revolting!
King Gates: Yes, they are. But how goes the campaign?
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original
No, not everything has gone up. I am surprised that you would make this
claim, being in the electronics industry. Here are some things that have
gone down:
Long distance rates
Cellphone rates
TVs (get a good one for $300 US, they used to be a lot more)
All kinds of personal electronics
i think the time use model is a future certainty, UCITA already allows
remote disabling of users software more or less at the vendor's will
UCITA may allow it, but my buying policy does not allow it. If I buy a copy
of software I should be able to use it as long as I want to. If a software
Whatever you do, IMO don't hide those power pins. To do so will only bite
you later.
I usually take the Protel SCH library part (CMOS, TTL, etc.) and copy it to
my own library. Then I unhide the power pins. I show them on one of the
multi-part parts. It does add to the clutter, but it helps
The personal electronics industry is a freak among industries. You must
agree with that?
Well, it's a BIG freak, then. So big that it is regarded as the norm by
anyone not in the industry.
Even in your example lies cable modem service that has gone up and up.
Tell
me why? They say it's
As for market forces on software prices, I'm going to do my part. I'm
done buying any new Microsoft OS's after Win2K (due to their licensing
and privacy policies) and Altium (because of pricing/support/utility
-per-dollar issues). So I guess I may only be one person, but I'm
voting with my
Why don't they watch where the DXP message traffic is (here)? Instead of
where they wish it was (there)?
Seriously, I don't have time to register for all the variant lists that some
may propose, i.e. the list of all Protel 99SE users who never owned v2.8,
are thinking about upgrading to DXP,
.
Brian Guralnick
- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
| Why is anybody bothering with a lousy piece of software
$900 !!! Wow!!! (new subscriber price) That's 2 car payments, or 400+
McDonalds' 1/4-pounders, or 1800 movie tickets to the local bargain
afternoon matinee theater. Just for some SMT footprints!
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:42 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Philips Wave and Reflow Footprints(Ex:IPC
Footprint
St andards
Gareth:
If you really have 99SE running on Linux, don't unsubscribe! Stay
subscribed so you can keep us updated on how it goes. Lists aren't just for
gimme, gimme, gimme, you should give some too. If you can't stand the flame
wars, just delete the messages without reading them. Works for me.
Oops, I hope the (un)subcriber automaton doesn't think I want to
(un)subscribe just because I replied to a subject line that had
(un)subscribe in it. Keep me in here!
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Gareth Bradley
You need to make sure YOU don't have a virus. Some of these viruses can
rifle through your address book and send e-mails without you knowing about
it.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA
Glad to know AOL isn't part of the problem! Yes, it can be a pain when
you
are away from home, but the spammers are drowning us in garbage.
Yeah, we get tons of spam too. No, we don't use AOL, MSN, hotmail, or any
of the notorious spam magnets. Typically 50 - 90% of the e-mail to our
sales
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-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:59 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Spoofed email address (was: (Un)subscribe!!!)
The spammers must
be profiling
I used Eudora for a while when I first got online back in the mid-90's.
That was back in Win3.1 days.
I'm a cheapskate, and don't want to pay for e-mail software such as Eudora.
Also, any e-mail software that I might switch to must be supported under
Windows and Linux, because I am trying to
Also, any e-mail software that I might switch to must be supported under
Windows and Linux, because I am trying to phase M$ out.
Very ambitious plan. About when do you expect to have M$ phased out of
your company? ;)
When W2K is no longer sold or supported. At that time, we would either
Don't you need a Mac to run OS-X on? I'm not interested in Macs. Art
services drive me crazy with their incompatible Apple file formats. Every
time I get some ad art done, I can't even open it on my own PC. Besides, I
can't stand those goofy cases some of the Mac models use.
I take it that
What this ultimately means is that most companies will likely stop
developing
drivers for Win2K, WinNT (and Win9X) for new hardware, and only develop
for
WinXP. Even though Win2K may still be in heavy use. So, if/when you want
to
upgrade to some improved hardware you may find that you have
Mike:
I hope that one Compaq is the only one you ever bought. I had one some
years ago (PII-266) and it was absolute junk. Yes, Compaq does make
proprietary version of Windows for their PCs. How smart is that - a
proprietary version of a proprietary OS? Compaq does everything they can
to be
Yea it is my only Compaq, and maybe my last. Compaq may be smarter than
the rest of the industryThey have built hardware speciifially to run a
specific OS. Sounds like an Apple Computer doesnt it?
Making crappy proprietary hardware, becoming reviled in the industry for
poor
If this is the best that a trained Situs user can produce, I am not
impressed at all. I wonder what the yields of these designs would be in a
real production environment.
Situs - sounds like Klytus, the evil henchman of Ming the Merciless in the
Flash Gordon fiction.
Well, I consider myself
or not to DXP,
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Re: [PEDA] to DXP or not to DXP,
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Re: [PEDA] to DXP or no
i have never had an IDE die (knock on wood)
My experience also.
at one point i got a scsi scanner (HP)
it wouldn't run on my scsi system (built by MICRON for $5K)
it insisted on ONLY running on the crappy scsi controller they packaged
with it
after plugging that in i got it running, but
Probahly my last posting on here because there are no new issues here
Don't trip on the pile of dead hard drives buggy video cards, or the wheel
mouse cords, or slip on the coaster CDs, on your way out! ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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Not only is that, there are still customers and small companies out there
that want only schematic capture tools at a low cost.If I am not
mistaken you can only purchase Schematic tools from Orcad and Eagle
software. Cadence reluctantly sold me the sch tools because I am such a
IMO,
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